Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 : You ask: Where do I get this information? I will tell you: 1- For 5 years I was the Oregon Medicare r Advisory Committee member for chiros...this experience helped to make me pretty darn knowledgeable re. the entire Medicare system. I don't know a chiro in this state who has more knowledge of Medicare statutes/regulations than myself, but I may be wrong. 2- I have a 'wellness' patient who is a former OHSU medical school professor and who is now on Kitzhaber's Citizen's Advisory Committee for the Archimedes movement. He is a relative insider re. this movement. I have have been getting the " blow-by-blow " re. this " movement " for the last 2 years, directly from him...we talk about it every two weeks. 3- I have attented the local Archimedes chapter meeting here in Newberg where an acquantance from the Chamber Of Commerce is the facilitator. 4- I have seen/heard/read " Kitz " discuss this baby. a- In person, B- On the radio and C- In his self-produced DVD. D- In his blog..I am on his mailing list. The only sane conclusion I (or any sane person) can make after informing myself, is that he intends to get a federal waiver for Oregon and replace Medicare and OMAP with a similar, single-payor, rationed, fee-controlled/cost-controlled system that will apply to ALL ages and economic status. He says this very clearly if you just read and listen to what he says. Any other questions? My advice to the doctor/governor is that perhaps he should move to Canada: http://www.mercola.com/2006/dec/26/heartlessness-of-socialized-medicine-in-canad\ a.htm > > > > > > Not to debate or argue the issue; I have a few as-of-yet unanswered > > > questions: > > > > > > WHERE in Medicare or elsewhere does it establish DCs MUST > > participate > > > via limited fees, limited services and 'billing AS IF the > > patient' being > > > treated under medicare rules? I'd like to see the exact > > > page-section-and-paragraph to clarify what everyone else seems to > > > understand.... > > > > > > I am led to believe by the comments of a few, that the only way to > > > escape the snare of medicare regulation, is to not accept ANY > > patients > > > of medicare > > > age or status....can this be true? > > > > > > And what if the standard office rate is above the CPT code just > > > listed? What if the standard office fee for 98941 is $35? What is > > the > > > official way to handle that? > > > > > > And where is the much-touted 'same service=same fee' principle? How > > can > > > one class of patient be charged a different amount just because they > > > belong to a particular group? And for that matter, [NO RANT here] > > how > > > can one class of provider be treated differently than all OTHER > > providers??? > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > J. Pedersen DC > > > ...struggling to understand the ways of the universe.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 , did you write the copy for his website? heh heh ;-) " How can we do better? " Great question....here are a few ideas. 1- We need to properly and correctly define what " Health " is. It is a challenge of course, because, in my humble opinion, even most chiros,NDs etc, do not really understand what the correct definition of health is. Health is not the absence of pre-defined 'medical conditions'. For more info re. the definition of health, feel free to visit my website. www.springbrookclcinic.com Any healthcare provider/entity/business that is not making education the cornerstone of his/her practice, is squarely part of the problem. 2- We need to get a reality check and realize that 'Healthcare' (as popularly defined) is not a " Right " any more than indoor plumbing is a right. We need to realize this: It was never a " Right " , is not a " Right " and will never be a " right " . Never. Sorry. You can put it in writing in Federal or State law, but it does not make it true. You can write a law that says that gravity does not exist, but that does not make it so. I am very charitable, trust me, I give away a ridiculous amount of care and donate quite a lot to various causes that I believe in. But I will never allow myself to be forced to offer my charity to folks who have no respect for me or for themselves. The universe breaks down when you try to " force " charity at the end of a gun. 3- Perhaps most importantly, " Health " (once properly defined) IS indeed a 'Right' in that if you adhere to the laws of nature and physiology you every " Right " to expect " health " ...ON the other hand, if you do not adhere to the laws of physiology and nature you have no " Right " to expect " health " . It is simple, it is the truth, it is scientific, it is " chiropractic " ......One of the neatest things about being a chiro is that gives you the privilege to put yourself among the many original chiros who " got the big idea " . Namely, the body self-heals and self-regulates and self-repairs (when the right signals go to the genes etc.). 4- We have to do is " tell " the truth about what it takes to be healthy. It doesn't have to sold or pushed ...people do not have to be cajoled or twisted. They just have to be told...it is self-evident to almost everyone..it is totally embedded in most people's sub-conscious and they are grateful to be taught about health. Just like the old hermit in this other video right? http://www.mercola.com/LT/track.asp?l=163 > > > > > > > > > > Not to debate or argue the issue; I have a few as-of-yet > > unanswered > > > > > questions: > > > > > > > > > > WHERE in Medicare or elsewhere does it establish DCs MUST > > > > participate > > > > > via limited fees, limited services and 'billing AS IF the > > > > patient' being > > > > > treated under medicare rules? I'd like to see the exact > > > > > page-section-and-paragraph to clarify what everyone else > > seems to > > > > > understand.... > > > > > > > > > > I am led to believe by the comments of a few, that the only > > way to > > > > > escape the snare of medicare regulation, is to not accept ANY > > > > patients > > > > > of medicare > > > > > age or status....can this be true? > > > > > > > > > > And what if the standard office rate is above the CPT code just > > > > > listed? What if the standard office fee for 98941 is $35? > > What is > > > > the > > > > > official way to handle that? > > > > > > > > > > And where is the much-touted 'same service=same fee' > > principle? How > > > > can > > > > > one class of patient be charged a different amount just > > because they > > > > > belong to a particular group? And for that matter, [NO RANT > > here] > > > > how > > > > > can one class of provider be treated differently than all OTHER > > > > providers??? > > > > > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > J. Pedersen DC > > > > > ...struggling to understand the ways of the universe.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 you wrote: " We're not so far apart on this, except for the obstacle of not looking out for others around you... " Agreed. Anyone in support of the continued expansion of a philosophy/systems (self-perpetuating bureaucratic morasses such as medicare, medicaid et al) that are proven to be economically doomed and proven to be unsustainable, systems that are physiologically unsound for numerous reasons including the FACT that personal responsiblity and freedom of choice are not basic values within them, systems so philosophically contradictory that a child can point out the flaws...Systems that are so flawed and unbelievably expensive that they will lead to decay and destruction of our society (our human community), the poisoning and destruction of the individual human eco-system, the poisoning and destruction of the collective human ecosystem as well as the extended Global ecosystem (Gaia?)etc etc etc... Yes agreed. Anyone who would SUPPORT the continuance of such insanity is certainly NOT looking out for others around them and obviously has no respect for future generations. ;-) Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to debate or argue the issue; I have a few as-of-yet > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHERE in Medicare or elsewhere does it establish DCs MUST > > > > > > participate > > > > > > > via limited fees, limited services and 'billing AS IF the > > > > > > patient' being > > > > > > > treated under medicare rules? I'd like to see the exact > > > > > > > page-section-and-paragraph to clarify what everyone else > > > > seems to > > > > > > > understand.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am led to believe by the comments of a few, that the only > > > > way to > > > > > > > escape the snare of medicare regulation, is to not accept > > ANY > > > > > > patients > > > > > > > of medicare > > > > > > > age or status....can this be true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what if the standard office rate is above the CPT > > code just > > > > > > > listed? What if the standard office fee for 98941 is $35? > > > > What is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > official way to handle that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And where is the much-touted 'same service=same fee' > > > > principle? How > > > > > > can > > > > > > > one class of patient be charged a different amount just > > > > because they > > > > > > > belong to a particular group? And for that matter, [NO RANT > > > > here] > > > > > > how > > > > > > > can one class of provider be treated differently than all > > OTHER > > > > > > providers??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J. Pedersen DC > > > > > > > ...struggling to understand the ways of the universe.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Joe: You write: " Removing big business and capitalism from the forefront of " health insurance and health care will be the first step. Free enterprise at the expense of our nation's access to proper health care isn't what i'd call compassionate or smart. " Brother Joe. We certainly do NOT have capitalism in this country presently. We have a " Mixed " market economy with a healthcare industry enjoying MASSIVE corporate welfare as they get MASSIVE corporate tax breaks, MASSIVE government funding of their R & D etc. etc. this is not a free-market/capitalist system in any shape or form. You can NOT blame our problems in (healthcare and otherwise)on capitalism, becuase we do NOT actually HAVE it (capitalism, that is. Feel free to blame it on corporate dogs feeding at the public trough however. I will stand with you on that. Suggested reading below: Clearly explains how our economy and healthcare system can not fairly be described as a free-market or a capitalist system. Far from it. Remember approx 50% of healthcare is paid for by government expenditure in USA (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Armed Forces Health System etc etc comprise 50% of all medical spending. How is that capitalism? Great book: http://www.andrewbernstein.net/books/capman_intro.htm Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to debate or argue the issue; I have a few as-of-yet > > > unanswered > > > > > > questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > WHERE in Medicare or elsewhere does it establish DCs MUST > > > > > participate > > > > > > via limited fees, limited services and 'billing AS IF the > > > > > patient' being > > > > > > treated under medicare rules? I'd like to see the exact > > > > > > page-section-and-paragraph to clarify what everyone else > > > seems to > > > > > > understand.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am led to believe by the comments of a few, that the only > > > way to > > > > > > escape the snare of medicare regulation, is to not accept ANY > > > > > patients > > > > > > of medicare > > > > > > age or status....can this be true? > > > > > > > > > > > > And what if the standard office rate is above the CPT code just > > > > > > listed? What if the standard office fee for 98941 is $35? > > > What is > > > > > the > > > > > > official way to handle that? > > > > > > > > > > > > And where is the much-touted 'same service=same fee' > > > principle? How > > > > > can > > > > > > one class of patient be charged a different amount just > > > because they > > > > > > belong to a particular group? And for that matter, [NO RANT > > > here] > > > > > how > > > > > > can one class of provider be treated differently than all OTHER > > > > > providers??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > J. Pedersen DC > > > > > > ...struggling to understand the ways of the universe.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Why do people in Europe who can afford private health care purchase private insurance then? It is illegal to purchase private health insurance in Canada. Can you name the other two countries in the world where it is illegal to purchase private insurance? Yep, Cuba and North Korea. Europe is in big big trouble because of its head in the sand policies. There native populations has deminished and it is the imigrant population which is floating their socialist systems. We most definitely do not have a health care crisis in this country. We have an insurance company crisis which needs to be rectified. Providing free health care for everyone won't work either because in the end, " free " is a very expensive entitiy and we all know that nothing in life is truly free. I prefer my HSA and the self determination of my own life and health any old day. Self responsibility is the first step to optimal health and a healthy life. , DC, DABCO, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to debate or argue the issue; I have a few as-of- yet > > > > unanswered > > > > > > > questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHERE in Medicare or elsewhere does it establish DCs MUST > > > > > > participate > > > > > > > via limited fees, limited services and 'billing AS IF the > > > > > > patient' being > > > > > > > treated under medicare rules? I'd like to see the exact > > > > > > > page-section-and-paragraph to clarify what everyone else > > > > seems to > > > > > > > understand.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am led to believe by the comments of a few, that the only > > > > way to > > > > > > > escape the snare of medicare regulation, is to not accept ANY > > > > > > patients > > > > > > > of medicare > > > > > > > age or status....can this be true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what if the standard office rate is above the CPT code just > > > > > > > listed? What if the standard office fee for 98941 is $35? > > > > What is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > official way to handle that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And where is the much-touted 'same service=same fee' > > > > principle? How > > > > > > can > > > > > > > one class of patient be charged a different amount just > > > > because they > > > > > > > belong to a particular group? And for that matter, [NO RANT > > > > here] > > > > > > how > > > > > > > can one class of provider be treated differently than all OTHER > > > > > > providers??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J. Pedersen DC > > > > > > > ...struggling to understand the ways of the universe.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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