Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi all, To me this is very significant news, especially considering I started CRONing to lower my BP in the first place. Have been half-heartedly taking grape seed extract or Pycnogenol on and off in the past already for my BP, but reading about this study encourages me to take it regularly. Anyone experienced lower average BP after taking this supplement? New human clinical trial study from UC : " . . . .groups receiving grape seed extract experienced an equal degree of reduced blood pressure. The average drop in systolic pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic pressure was eight mm Hg " Regards, Dave Link: http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/news/ng.asp?n=66704 & m=1NIU328 & c=lqeudkujayvv\ lpc full text: Grape seed extract may help lower blood pressure 3/28/2006- A daily supplement of grape seed extract, a rich source of polyphenols, could lower blood pressure and ease the burden of metabolic syndrome, says new research. Scientists from the University of California, , carried out the first human clinical trial of grape seed extract with people suffering from metabolic syndrome (MetS), a condition that affects an estimated 40 per cent of the US adult population. MetS is a condition characterised by central obesity, hypertension, and disturbed glucose and insulin metabolism. The syndrome has been linked to increased risks of both type 2 diabetes and CVD. The new research, presented at last weekend's American Chemical Society Meeting and Exposition in Atlanta, divided 20 male and female volunteers with diagnosed MetS into three groups, and supplemented their normal diets with a placebo, or grape seed extracts with 150 or 300 milligrams of extract. After one month, all participants taking the supplements had a significant decrease in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. " Participants in the two groups receiving grape seed extract experienced an equal degree of reduced blood pressure. The average drop in systolic pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic pressure was eight mm Hg, " said lead author Tissa Kappagoda. While both extracts produced similar decreases in blood pressure, the scientists observed that the 300 mg extract also reduced blood levels of oxidised LDL-cholesterol, which ahs been linked to an increased risk of heart disease by a variety of experimental, genetic and epidemiological studies. " Generally, the higher the initial oxidised LDL level was, the greater the drop by the end of the study, " said Kappagoda. Grape seed extracts are rich sources of antioxidants such as catechins and flavan-3-ols, and subsequent dimmers, trimers, and tetramers. These polyphenols compounds are found in highest concentrations in the seed of grapes, which can contain as much as eight per cent polyphenols by weight. The proposed mechanism of antioxidant activity of grape seed extract involves intercepting the damaging free radicals that are produced by oxidation of LDL-cholesterol. The extracts, supplied by Polyphenolics, a division of Constellation Wines US, who also funded the study, have already received the generally recognised as safe (GRAS) certification from the FDA. The news comes hot-on-the-heels of similar positive results for grape seed extracts, with Masquelier's Original OPCs (oligomeric proanythocyanidins), Anthogenol, being reported to reduce free radical damage of endothelial cells (cells that line the wall of blood vessels). Recent ex vivo experiments by Japanese researchers reported that Anthogenol reduced oxidative stress of cell cultures by 60 per cent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi folks: Does anyone have information whether there is danger for people with already very healthy blood pressure readings (such as the subjects in the WUSTL study, for example) if they also take a bunch of 'food' substances that may further reduce their BP? Grape seed extract is one example. Cinnamon is another. IOW, can one create a dangerously low level of BP if already CRONing and takes some of these substances in addition? Rodney. > > Hi all, > > To me this is very significant news, especially considering I started > CRONing to lower my BP in the first place. Have been half-heartedly > taking grape seed extract or Pycnogenol on and off in the past already > for my BP, but reading about this study encourages me to take it > regularly. Anyone experienced lower average BP after taking this > supplement? > > New human clinical trial study from UC : > > " . . . .groups receiving grape seed extract experienced an equal > degree of reduced blood pressure. The average drop in systolic > pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic pressure was > eight mm Hg " > > Regards, Dave > > > Link: > > http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/news/ng.asp? n=66704 & m=1NIU328 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc > > full text: > > Grape seed extract may help lower blood pressure > > 3/28/2006- A daily supplement of grape seed extract, a rich source of > polyphenols, could lower blood pressure and ease the burden of > metabolic syndrome, says new research. > > Scientists from the University of California, , carried out the > first human clinical trial of grape seed extract with people suffering > from metabolic syndrome (MetS), a condition that affects an estimated > 40 per cent of the US adult population. > > MetS is a condition characterised by central obesity, hypertension, > and disturbed glucose and insulin metabolism. The syndrome has been > linked to increased risks of both type 2 diabetes and CVD. > > The new research, presented at last weekend's American Chemical > Society Meeting and Exposition in Atlanta, divided 20 male and female > volunteers with diagnosed MetS into three groups, and supplemented > their normal diets with a placebo, or grape seed extracts with 150 or > 300 milligrams of extract. > > After one month, all participants taking the supplements had a > significant decrease in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. > > " Participants in the two groups receiving grape seed extract > experienced an equal degree of reduced blood pressure. The average > drop in systolic pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic > pressure was eight mm Hg, " said lead author Tissa Kappagoda. > > While both extracts produced similar decreases in blood pressure, the > scientists observed that the 300 mg extract also reduced blood levels > of oxidised LDL-cholesterol, which ahs been linked to an increased > risk of heart disease by a variety of experimental, genetic and > epidemiological studies. > > " Generally, the higher the initial oxidised LDL level was, the greater > the drop by the end of the study, " said Kappagoda. > > Grape seed extracts are rich sources of antioxidants such as catechins > and flavan-3-ols, and subsequent dimmers, trimers, and tetramers. > These polyphenols compounds are found in highest concentrations in the > seed of grapes, which can contain as much as eight per cent > polyphenols by weight. > > The proposed mechanism of antioxidant activity of grape seed extract > involves intercepting the damaging free radicals that are produced by > oxidation of LDL-cholesterol. > > The extracts, supplied by Polyphenolics, a division of Constellation > Wines US, who also funded the study, have already received the > generally recognised as safe (GRAS) certification from the FDA. > > The news comes hot-on-the-heels of similar positive results for grape > seed extracts, with Masquelier's Original OPCs (oligomeric > proanythocyanidins), Anthogenol, being reported to reduce free radical > damage of endothelial cells (cells that line the wall of blood vessels). > > Recent ex vivo experiments by Japanese researchers reported that > Anthogenol reduced oxidative stress of cell cultures by 60 per cent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi folks: Does anyone have information whether there is danger for people with already very healthy blood pressure readings (such as the subjects in the WUSTL study, for example) if they also take a bunch of 'food' substances that may further reduce their BP? Grape seed extract is one example. Cinnamon is another. IOW, can one create a dangerously low level of BP if already CRONing and takes some of these substances in addition? Rodney. > > Hi all, > > To me this is very significant news, especially considering I started > CRONing to lower my BP in the first place. Have been half-heartedly > taking grape seed extract or Pycnogenol on and off in the past already > for my BP, but reading about this study encourages me to take it > regularly. Anyone experienced lower average BP after taking this > supplement? > > New human clinical trial study from UC : > > " . . . .groups receiving grape seed extract experienced an equal > degree of reduced blood pressure. The average drop in systolic > pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic pressure was > eight mm Hg " > > Regards, Dave > > > Link: > > http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/news/ng.asp? n=66704 & m=1NIU328 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc > > full text: > > Grape seed extract may help lower blood pressure > > 3/28/2006- A daily supplement of grape seed extract, a rich source of > polyphenols, could lower blood pressure and ease the burden of > metabolic syndrome, says new research. > > Scientists from the University of California, , carried out the > first human clinical trial of grape seed extract with people suffering > from metabolic syndrome (MetS), a condition that affects an estimated > 40 per cent of the US adult population. > > MetS is a condition characterised by central obesity, hypertension, > and disturbed glucose and insulin metabolism. The syndrome has been > linked to increased risks of both type 2 diabetes and CVD. > > The new research, presented at last weekend's American Chemical > Society Meeting and Exposition in Atlanta, divided 20 male and female > volunteers with diagnosed MetS into three groups, and supplemented > their normal diets with a placebo, or grape seed extracts with 150 or > 300 milligrams of extract. > > After one month, all participants taking the supplements had a > significant decrease in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. > > " Participants in the two groups receiving grape seed extract > experienced an equal degree of reduced blood pressure. The average > drop in systolic pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic > pressure was eight mm Hg, " said lead author Tissa Kappagoda. > > While both extracts produced similar decreases in blood pressure, the > scientists observed that the 300 mg extract also reduced blood levels > of oxidised LDL-cholesterol, which ahs been linked to an increased > risk of heart disease by a variety of experimental, genetic and > epidemiological studies. > > " Generally, the higher the initial oxidised LDL level was, the greater > the drop by the end of the study, " said Kappagoda. > > Grape seed extracts are rich sources of antioxidants such as catechins > and flavan-3-ols, and subsequent dimmers, trimers, and tetramers. > These polyphenols compounds are found in highest concentrations in the > seed of grapes, which can contain as much as eight per cent > polyphenols by weight. > > The proposed mechanism of antioxidant activity of grape seed extract > involves intercepting the damaging free radicals that are produced by > oxidation of LDL-cholesterol. > > The extracts, supplied by Polyphenolics, a division of Constellation > Wines US, who also funded the study, have already received the > generally recognised as safe (GRAS) certification from the FDA. > > The news comes hot-on-the-heels of similar positive results for grape > seed extracts, with Masquelier's Original OPCs (oligomeric > proanythocyanidins), Anthogenol, being reported to reduce free radical > damage of endothelial cells (cells that line the wall of blood vessels). > > Recent ex vivo experiments by Japanese researchers reported that > Anthogenol reduced oxidative stress of cell cultures by 60 per cent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi folks: IOW, do we know if the relationship between risk and BP is a straight line or a 'U-curve'? And if the latter, how low is too low? Rodney. > > > > Hi all, > > > > To me this is very significant news, especially considering I > started > > CRONing to lower my BP in the first place. Have been half- heartedly > > taking grape seed extract or Pycnogenol on and off in the past > already > > for my BP, but reading about this study encourages me to take it > > regularly. Anyone experienced lower average BP after taking this > > supplement? > > > > New human clinical trial study from UC : > > > > " . . . .groups receiving grape seed extract experienced an equal > > degree of reduced blood pressure. The average drop in systolic > > pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic pressure was > > eight mm Hg " > > > > Regards, Dave > > > > > > Link: > > > > http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/news/ng.asp? > n=66704 & m=1NIU328 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc > > > > full text: > > > > Grape seed extract may help lower blood pressure > > > > 3/28/2006- A daily supplement of grape seed extract, a rich source > of > > polyphenols, could lower blood pressure and ease the burden of > > metabolic syndrome, says new research. > > > > Scientists from the University of California, , carried out the > > first human clinical trial of grape seed extract with people > suffering > > from metabolic syndrome (MetS), a condition that affects an > estimated > > 40 per cent of the US adult population. > > > > MetS is a condition characterised by central obesity, hypertension, > > and disturbed glucose and insulin metabolism. The syndrome has been > > linked to increased risks of both type 2 diabetes and CVD. > > > > The new research, presented at last weekend's American Chemical > > Society Meeting and Exposition in Atlanta, divided 20 male and > female > > volunteers with diagnosed MetS into three groups, and supplemented > > their normal diets with a placebo, or grape seed extracts with 150 > or > > 300 milligrams of extract. > > > > After one month, all participants taking the supplements had a > > significant decrease in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. > > > > " Participants in the two groups receiving grape seed extract > > experienced an equal degree of reduced blood pressure. The average > > drop in systolic pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in > diastolic > > pressure was eight mm Hg, " said lead author Tissa Kappagoda. > > > > While both extracts produced similar decreases in blood pressure, > the > > scientists observed that the 300 mg extract also reduced blood > levels > > of oxidised LDL-cholesterol, which ahs been linked to an increased > > risk of heart disease by a variety of experimental, genetic and > > epidemiological studies. > > > > " Generally, the higher the initial oxidised LDL level was, the > greater > > the drop by the end of the study, " said Kappagoda. > > > > Grape seed extracts are rich sources of antioxidants such as > catechins > > and flavan-3-ols, and subsequent dimmers, trimers, and tetramers. > > These polyphenols compounds are found in highest concentrations in > the > > seed of grapes, which can contain as much as eight per cent > > polyphenols by weight. > > > > The proposed mechanism of antioxidant activity of grape seed extract > > involves intercepting the damaging free radicals that are produced > by > > oxidation of LDL-cholesterol. > > > > The extracts, supplied by Polyphenolics, a division of Constellation > > Wines US, who also funded the study, have already received the > > generally recognised as safe (GRAS) certification from the FDA. > > > > The news comes hot-on-the-heels of similar positive results for > grape > > seed extracts, with Masquelier's Original OPCs (oligomeric > > proanythocyanidins), Anthogenol, being reported to reduce free > radical > > damage of endothelial cells (cells that line the wall of blood > vessels). > > > > Recent ex vivo experiments by Japanese researchers reported that > > Anthogenol reduced oxidative stress of cell cultures by 60 per cent. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi folks: IOW, do we know if the relationship between risk and BP is a straight line or a 'U-curve'? And if the latter, how low is too low? Rodney. > > > > Hi all, > > > > To me this is very significant news, especially considering I > started > > CRONing to lower my BP in the first place. Have been half- heartedly > > taking grape seed extract or Pycnogenol on and off in the past > already > > for my BP, but reading about this study encourages me to take it > > regularly. Anyone experienced lower average BP after taking this > > supplement? > > > > New human clinical trial study from UC : > > > > " . . . .groups receiving grape seed extract experienced an equal > > degree of reduced blood pressure. The average drop in systolic > > pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in diastolic pressure was > > eight mm Hg " > > > > Regards, Dave > > > > > > Link: > > > > http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/news/ng.asp? > n=66704 & m=1NIU328 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc > > > > full text: > > > > Grape seed extract may help lower blood pressure > > > > 3/28/2006- A daily supplement of grape seed extract, a rich source > of > > polyphenols, could lower blood pressure and ease the burden of > > metabolic syndrome, says new research. > > > > Scientists from the University of California, , carried out the > > first human clinical trial of grape seed extract with people > suffering > > from metabolic syndrome (MetS), a condition that affects an > estimated > > 40 per cent of the US adult population. > > > > MetS is a condition characterised by central obesity, hypertension, > > and disturbed glucose and insulin metabolism. The syndrome has been > > linked to increased risks of both type 2 diabetes and CVD. > > > > The new research, presented at last weekend's American Chemical > > Society Meeting and Exposition in Atlanta, divided 20 male and > female > > volunteers with diagnosed MetS into three groups, and supplemented > > their normal diets with a placebo, or grape seed extracts with 150 > or > > 300 milligrams of extract. > > > > After one month, all participants taking the supplements had a > > significant decrease in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. > > > > " Participants in the two groups receiving grape seed extract > > experienced an equal degree of reduced blood pressure. The average > > drop in systolic pressure was 12 mm Hg. The average drop in > diastolic > > pressure was eight mm Hg, " said lead author Tissa Kappagoda. > > > > While both extracts produced similar decreases in blood pressure, > the > > scientists observed that the 300 mg extract also reduced blood > levels > > of oxidised LDL-cholesterol, which ahs been linked to an increased > > risk of heart disease by a variety of experimental, genetic and > > epidemiological studies. > > > > " Generally, the higher the initial oxidised LDL level was, the > greater > > the drop by the end of the study, " said Kappagoda. > > > > Grape seed extracts are rich sources of antioxidants such as > catechins > > and flavan-3-ols, and subsequent dimmers, trimers, and tetramers. > > These polyphenols compounds are found in highest concentrations in > the > > seed of grapes, which can contain as much as eight per cent > > polyphenols by weight. > > > > The proposed mechanism of antioxidant activity of grape seed extract > > involves intercepting the damaging free radicals that are produced > by > > oxidation of LDL-cholesterol. > > > > The extracts, supplied by Polyphenolics, a division of Constellation > > Wines US, who also funded the study, have already received the > > generally recognised as safe (GRAS) certification from the FDA. > > > > The news comes hot-on-the-heels of similar positive results for > grape > > seed extracts, with Masquelier's Original OPCs (oligomeric > > proanythocyanidins), Anthogenol, being reported to reduce free > radical > > damage of endothelial cells (cells that line the wall of blood > vessels). > > > > Recent ex vivo experiments by Japanese researchers reported that > > Anthogenol reduced oxidative stress of cell cultures by 60 per cent. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Rod: cinnamon lowers blood sugar not pressure. If it lowers BP, then please someone post the evidence. on 3/29/2006 12:27 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: Hi folks: Does anyone have information whether there is danger for people with already very healthy blood pressure readings (such as the subjects in the WUSTL study, for example) if they also take a bunch of 'food' substances that may further reduce their BP? Grape seed extract is one example. Cinnamon is another. IOW, can one create a dangerously low level of BP if already CRONing and takes some of these substances in addition? Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Rod: cinnamon lowers blood sugar not pressure. If it lowers BP, then please someone post the evidence. on 3/29/2006 12:27 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: Hi folks: Does anyone have information whether there is danger for people with already very healthy blood pressure readings (such as the subjects in the WUSTL study, for example) if they also take a bunch of 'food' substances that may further reduce their BP? Grape seed extract is one example. Cinnamon is another. IOW, can one create a dangerously low level of BP if already CRONing and takes some of these substances in addition? Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi Francesca: Funny you should mention that. Thanks. I just got a reply today from a source I had questioned about this and they have promised to send their source - apparently in a study that was also assessing the effects of cinnamon on diabetics. But I have not been able to find such a source independently. If they supply the source I will post it. Rodney. > > Hi folks: > > Does anyone have information whether there is danger for people with > already very healthy blood pressure readings (such as the subjects in > the WUSTL study, for example) if they also take a bunch of 'food' > substances that may further reduce their BP? Grape seed extract is > one example. Cinnamon is another. > > IOW, can one create a dangerously low level of BP if already CRONing > and takes some of these substances in addition? > > Rodney. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Hi, I found this study that seams to support the idea that cinamon help with lowering blood pressure. http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/2/144 Regards, Nuno > > > > Hi folks: > > > > Does anyone have information whether there is danger for people with > > already very healthy blood pressure readings (such as the subjects > in > > the WUSTL study, for example) if they also take a bunch of 'food' > > substances that may further reduce their BP? Grape seed extract is > > one example. Cinnamon is another. > > > > IOW, can one create a dangerously low level of BP if already CRONing > > and takes some of these substances in addition? > > > > Rodney. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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