Re: gluten intolerant

June 24, 2003

>----->not true, i think there was at least one group that was completely

>free of cavities...dang! i can't remember which one though! it stuck in my

>mind as i read it recently...i think it might have been one of the african

>tribes...but i just can't remember.

Of the top of my head, Suze. Australian aborigines?

Wanita

June 24, 2003

In a message dated 6/24/03 2:33:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> the masai had 0.4% caries and the dinka had 0.2%, so the dinka actually

> had LESS tooth decay than the masai, although barely slightly more than the

> tribes that had 0%. i mean c'mon...0.2% - that's about as close to

> " perfection " as you can get!

right. the " diet-heart " folks might argue that the masai had " double " the

tooth decay, while uffe ravnskov might point out that you have to feed 500

people a vegetable before preventing *one* cavity.

if out of 500 people 499 have zero cavities, that's pretty damn good!

chris

June 24, 2003

>----->not true, i think there was at least one group that was completely

>free of cavities...dang! i can't remember which one though! it stuck in my

>mind as i read it recently...i think it might have been one of the african

>tribes...but i just can't remember.

Of the top of my head, Suze. Australian aborigines?

---->dunno...if no one else looks it up, i'll check it out later when i'm

not working. oops! right...i'm working. ta ta!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

June 24, 2003

Suze-

>not true, i think there was at least one group that was completely

>free of cavities...dang!

Hmm, you're right.

>>Until his Africa trip, Price had not found groups that had no cavities at

>>all, yet Dr. Price found six cattle- herding tribes that were completely

>>free of dental decay.

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/nasty_brutish_short.html

I can't find specifics on the tribes and their diets, but here's another

comment on the subject in an article by Dr. Byrnes:

>>African cattle-keeping tribes like the Masai consumed virtually no plant

>>foods at all, just beef, raw milk, organ meats, and blood (in times of

>>drought).

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/21/weston_price.htm

Byrnes also notes this in that article:

>>The Dinkas of the Sudan, whom Price claimed were the healthiest of all

>>the African tribes he studied, ate a combination of fermented whole

>>grains with fish, along with smaller amounts of red meat, vegetables, and

>>fruit.

I remember looking at a table of cavity frequency and being surprised that

Price thought the Dinkas were more healthy than certain tribes which had

even lower incidence of cavities. I don't remember now though whether

" lower " was zero or just lower, but I do remember reading that Price

thought the Dinkas (whose modern diet, AFAIK, doesn't resemble what they

ate when Price visited them) had a " healthier " more " normal " build, more

" solid " , in contrast to the " rangier " appearance of the Masai and others

like them. (I'm not sure he used those actual words, but the meaning was

the same.) I think a bit of cultural bias might have crept in and

prevented him from accepting the full meaning of the cavity data.

-

June 24, 2003

Daphne,

>Eating no starch is a very expensive diet, which most people simply

>cannot afford. Especially if you're only eating good quality animal

>products.

That's right. If it wasn't for my living in this county my whole life, knowing

the area, knowing some people who eat from the area, who help find others that

raise, grow quality food and buying in bulk for storage whenever possible,

we'd

still be eating pasta two nights a week at least. I'd be starving two hours

later even though I ate twice as much as what I eat now. Force myself to clean

the kitchen up rather than sit because I had no energy.The freezers and

refrigerator now are fuller than the pantry shelves that were cereals, flour,

sugars, pastas, bad fats and canned goods. There is less variety, less eaten

bulkwise because it satiates for a longer period of time. Pricewise it doesn't

seem much more even though we were down to discount and sale food buying for

years. Meat and fats quality takes precedent over buying an organic vegetable

or fruit. If we were anywhere else, especially in a city it couldn't be done.

>

>It *may* be true that Price's grain eating peoples did not attain the

>highest level of health and the 'meat-and-veggie only' peoples

>attained a higher level. (Although I think his s contradict even

>that theory.) However the differences in these types were not

>dramatic. I think the conclusion which Price himself reached is

>valid: properly prepared grains can be part of a healthy diet. (I'm

>taking about millet, corn and rice, not wheat, which I've sworn off.)

Someone I work for has visited Europe quite a bit. She said the grains in

Europe are different than those in the U.S. Asked if it was how they were

baked, prepared. Said that and the quality. I took it to mean what they grew

and ate was closer to what Price found. Started this the other day. Agrees

with

's today reply.

>Also aren't the Japanese the longest lived people in recorded history?

Don't know. Fish and sea vegetables would give longevity. Wouldn't work for

everyone. France is the healthiest country. Don't know how that goes with

their

longevity. Friend came from NH last week. Said he'd heard local story of that

area's last Native American. Name was Metallic or Metallica. Lived to 125

years

old. Townspeople took care of him in later years. He had a moose he tamed when

small and rode it around like a horse. Going to bring me more info.

Wanita

June 24, 2003

>>>Until his Africa trip, Price had not found groups that had no cavities at

>>all, yet Dr. Price found six cattle- herding tribes that were completely

>>free of dental decay.

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/nasty_brutish_short.html

>>>I can't find specifics on the tribes and their diets,

---------->well, i just took a break and re-read most of the african tribes

chapter in NAPD. i think all these tribes ate mostly meat, milk and blood

like the masai, although the masai he examined had a 0.4% rate of cavities.

but here's another

comment on the subject in an article by Dr. Byrnes:

>>African cattle-keeping tribes like the Masai consumed virtually no plant

>>foods at all, just beef, raw milk, organ meats, and blood (in times of

>>drought).

------------->right, but normally they did eat veggies and fruit according

to price.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/21/weston_price.htm

Byrnes also notes this in that article:

>>The Dinkas of the Sudan, whom Price claimed were the healthiest of all

>>the African tribes he studied, ate a combination of fermented whole

>>grains with fish, along with smaller amounts of red meat, vegetables, and

>>fruit.

----->weird, i think the same basic thing is written on the WAPF website,

yet i couldn't find it in NAPD! at least not in the few sentences under the

" dinka " heading.

>>>>I remember looking at a table of cavity frequency and being surprised

that