RE: Medic duties/ impressions please

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Bob,

Seems to me that (and I have been in this position) they need not clean up

the hospital as they ought not have a key. NO one save yourself and the

captain, yes? If you staff the hospital 24 hrs / day or are always normally

present during his rounds it would make sense that he could do it. In the past

when I've confronted this situation I have always run it past the CTO or Chef

first then the Captain and generally have not encountered any resistance.

ly if the loo gets so much traffic I wouldn't be able to wait the week for

the guy to do it and would do it myself because in my hospital I hate having it

a mess. Just me though. I've never heard of any rule or reg that stipulates

this. Good luck with this one.

Best,

Steve

royalrm2000 <royalrm2000@...> wrote: Hello Gents (possible double

post)

I'm a long time lurker on this site and an offshore medic working land

based and maritime.

I have a situation which I'd like to float past the members of this site.

I'm currently working on a modern, clean vessel with excellent

management and HSE systems.

However when I requested that the ships messman clean the hospital

toilet once a week I had the messmans manager with both feet in my in

tray waving job worksheets stating it wasn't their job.

I asked up the chain of command if there was an issue

Questions.

1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a petty subject

2. If I question this futher are there regs/refs etc that I can look at for

direction. (I already have my job description)

3. Please voice your own personal opinions and experiences

4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean the hospital toilet

5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the hospital toilet

Many thanks

Bob

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Hi

Seems to me that your chain from the messman forward have forgotten that you

are there not for what you do but for what you know and can do! IF you come

right down to it does ANYONE on the vessel really want the medic to do what

he is paid for? Take care of sick and injured people? Having your clinic

toilet cleaned like every other toilet is NOT a unreasonable request

Cheers

Tom G

Afghanistan

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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:32 AM

Subject: Medic duties/ impressions please

Hello Gents (possible double post)

I'm a long time lurker on this site and an offshore medic working land

based and maritime.

I have a situation which I'd like to float past the members of this site.

I'm currently working on a modern, clean vessel with excellent

management and HSE systems.

However when I requested that the ships messman clean the hospital

toilet once a week I had the messmans manager with both feet in my in

tray waving job worksheets stating it wasn't their job.

I asked up the chain of command if there was an issue

Remember. the messmen clean every single private cabin toilet, every

common toilet and every work place toilet on the ship daily . No other

single crew man or contractor is expected to clean a toilet.

Right up the chain I met resistance, however no logical reason or

precedent has been presented to back this up.

The impression I get is the medic is seen as some one with a small

work load, how dare he ask for a toilet to be cleaned once a week.

I can assure you I am not sat on my backside racking up DVDs and

speed reading pulp fiction

I've been in the business long enough to know about " choosing your

battles " but this has annoyed me.

I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CLEANING TOILETS. But this seems to

be an anomally

I have a standpoint and a plan of action, I'd just like external input

Questions.

1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a petty subject

2. If I question this futher are there regs/refs etc that I can look at for

direction. (I already have my job description)

3. Please voice your own personal opinions and experiences

4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean the hospital toilet

5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the hospital toilet

Many thanks

Bob

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The answer to your question number one is YES ++++ Do you clean your own toilet

at home...?

P

royalrm2000 <royalrm2000@...> wrote:

Hello Gents (possible double post)

I'm a long time lurker on this site and an offshore medic working land

based and maritime.

I have a situation which I'd like to float past the members of this site.

I'm currently working on a modern, clean vessel with excellent

management and HSE systems.

However when I requested that the ships messman clean the hospital

toilet once a week I had the messmans manager with both feet in my in

tray waving job worksheets stating it wasn't their job.

I asked up the chain of command if there was an issue

Remember. the messmen clean every single private cabin toilet, every

common toilet and every work place toilet on the ship daily . No other

single crew man or contractor is expected to clean a toilet.

Right up the chain I met resistance, however no logical reason or

precedent has been presented to back this up.

The impression I get is the medic is seen as some one with a small

work load, how dare he ask for a toilet to be cleaned once a week.

I can assure you I am not sat on my backside racking up DVDs and

speed reading pulp fiction

I've been in the business long enough to know about " choosing your

battles " but this has annoyed me.

I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CLEANING TOILETS. But this seems to

be an anomally

I have a standpoint and a plan of action, I'd just like external input

Questions.

1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a petty subject

2. If I question this futher are there regs/refs etc that I can look at for

direction. (I already have my job description)

3. Please voice your own personal opinions and experiences

4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean the hospital toilet

5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the hospital toilet

Many thanks

Bob

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Bob:

Hang from the yard arm, keel hauling, plank walking are some behaviour

modifications come to mind immediately and my back to back has had due input

to this as well. Is this individual ships messman concern about the diseases

found in a toilet in the clinic.... that is shared by the all the staff?

As opposed to that staff that uses the other toilets on the platform

that's.... a very odd justification id say??? if you can follow my drift.

But frankly speaking I clean my own crapper, I am far more particular than

most of the cleaning type staff that I have had the pleasure to deal with in

my neck of the woods, the teeth to tattoo ratio can sometimes be an

indicator of ones personal standards of cleanliness.

I suspect if this messman is FORCED to do his job at this juncture his work

may become...can I say crappy here?

1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a petty subject ....a touch

sensitive.

> 2. If I question this further are there regs/refs etc that I can look at

> for direction. It would not be worth it in my world, it takes 10 minutes

> out of my week and much bigger fish to fry.

> 3. Please voice your own personal opinions and experiences...... I think I

> have no offence intended.

> 4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean the hospital

> toilet.... paranoid... perhaps needs education in infectious disease

> control methods? and PPE.

> 5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the hospital

> toilet....Its his JOB?

If you wish to piss them off, use a reverse psychological messman is not

capable nor trained enough to clean YOUR Clinic can, my partner Wally

suggested this, he has 13 years working in psych and he wont let me clean

just yet.

Wilf and Wally

[Guest guest]

Morning Gents,

I read Bob's message, and the forthcoming answers. I particularly liked Wilf

and Wally's response. Having worked on vessels for the last 5 years, in

preference to platforms, rigs or shore-based centres, I must admit I've never

met this problem before.

What does spring to mind, is that if the toilet is sited within the Sickbay

itself, which presumably is locked, then you'll have to be there to open it,

to allow the messman to clean the toilet, and that he just can't be bothered to

arrange this with you. Sounds like he is a bit of a " barrack-room lawyer " !

Why the " powers that be " choose to follow this line of reasoning, it a bit

incomprehensible.

I've never had any problem with having any Sickbay I worked in damp-mopped,

as well as having an associated bathroom ( including toilet ) cleaned. Even to

the point that flat surfaces would be cleaned, which I prefer to do myself

anyway.

But if this has become a major incident, then, other than trying to take it

up the grievances line, which may rebound on you work-wise, as long as you are

given the correct cleaning articles, which shouldn't come out of the medical

budget, then I'd be inclined to clean it myself. Again as Wilf and Wally point

out, that way you'll know just how well cleaned it really was !

Hope you sort it out.

Phil A-D

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[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " thomas Greaber "

Having your clinic

> toilet cleaned like every other toilet is NOT a unreasonable request

If it was your toilet, Greaber, it would be!

)

[Guest guest]

Here on the Lomond Our room is attached to sickbay with toilet, It never

used to be it got refurbished that way. When Aramark took out the

contract they were only contracted to do the toilets and rooms of the

old allocations, therefore we have to do our own, Personally it dosent

bother me at all, In fact they are contracted to clean the sickbay floor

and bins etc, but I insist on doing it myself.

Regards

Sherwin

BP Lomond Medic/Admin

C/O Farburn Industrial Estate

Dyce

Aberdeen

.Sherwin@...

Tel 01224 836222

Re: Medic duties/ impressions please

----- Original Message -----

From: " thomas Greaber "

Having your clinic

> toilet cleaned like every other toilet is NOT a unreasonable request

If it was your toilet, Greaber, it would be!

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[Guest guest]

Bob,

Perhaps you should increase the frequency of mess

inspections, they might get the hint.

--- royalrm2000 <royalrm2000@...> wrote:

> Hello Gents (possible double post)

>

> I'm a long time lurker on this site and an offshore

> medic working land

> based and maritime.

>

> I have a situation which I'd like to float past the

> members of this site.

>

> I'm currently working on a modern, clean vessel with

> excellent

> management and HSE systems.

>

> However when I requested that the ships messman

> clean the hospital

> toilet once a week I had the messmans manager with

> both feet in my in

> tray waving job worksheets stating it wasn't their

> job.

> I asked up the chain of command if there was an

> issue

>

> Remember. the messmen clean every single private

> cabin toilet, every

> common toilet and every work place toilet on the

> ship daily . No other

> single crew man or contractor is expected to clean a

> toilet.

>

> Right up the chain I met resistance, however no

> logical reason or

> precedent has been presented to back this up.

>

> The impression I get is the medic is seen as some

> one with a small

> work load, how dare he ask for a toilet to be

> cleaned once a week.

>

> I can assure you I am not sat on my backside racking

> up DVDs and

> speed reading pulp fiction

>

> I've been in the business long enough to know about

> " choosing your

> battles " but this has annoyed me.

>

> I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CLEANING TOILETS. But

> this seems to

> be an anomally

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> I have a standpoint and a plan of action, I'd just

> like external input

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> Questions.

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> 1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a

> petty subject

> 2. If I question this futher are there regs/refs etc

> that I can look at for

> direction. (I already have my job description)

> 3. Please voice your own personal opinions and

> experiences

> 4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean

> the hospital toilet

> 5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the

> hospital toilet

>

> Many thanks

>

> Bob

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[Guest guest]

I would also guess that you cook for yourself at home, however on the vessel

the chef cooks for you. Each person has there own job :-)

Regards

>From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: Re: Medic duties/ impressions please

>Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:54:14 +0000 (GMT)

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>The answer to your question number one is YES ++++ Do you clean your own

>toilet at home...?

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>royalrm2000 <royalrm2000@...> wrote:

> Hello Gents (possible double post)

>

>I'm a long time lurker on this site and an offshore medic working land

>based and maritime.

>

>I have a situation which I'd like to float past the members of this site.

>

>I'm currently working on a modern, clean vessel with excellent

>management and HSE systems.

>

>However when I requested that the ships messman clean the hospital

>toilet once a week I had the messmans manager with both feet in my in

>tray waving job worksheets stating it wasn't their job.

>I asked up the chain of command if there was an issue

>

>Remember. the messmen clean every single private cabin toilet, every

>common toilet and every work place toilet on the ship daily . No other

>single crew man or contractor is expected to clean a toilet.

>

>Right up the chain I met resistance, however no logical reason or

>precedent has been presented to back this up.

>

>The impression I get is the medic is seen as some one with a small

>work load, how dare he ask for a toilet to be cleaned once a week.

>

>I can assure you I am not sat on my backside racking up DVDs and

>speed reading pulp fiction

>

>I've been in the business long enough to know about " choosing your

>battles " but this has annoyed me.

>

>I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CLEANING TOILETS. But this seems to

>be an anomally

>

>I have a standpoint and a plan of action, I'd just like external input

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>Questions.

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>1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a petty subject

>2. If I question this futher are there regs/refs etc that I can look at for

>direction. (I already have my job description)

>3. Please voice your own personal opinions and experiences

>4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean the hospital toilet

>5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the hospital toilet

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>Many thanks

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[Guest guest]

I guess you should talk this out with your Captain or Chief officer of your

vessel so that they could add up some of their Deck procedures and there mess

mans job description.I was been working for a supply vessel for shell

exploration here in the Philippines for the past 3 years and I haven't done any

toilet cleaning,simply because they (crew) considered as a Medical officer on

board and not a rating. Deck, Engine and Medical officers don't clean toilets

as far I know, and if ever you are considered a rating on your vessel then I

don't mind cleaning the clinic's toilet, besides I don't have anything to do all

day.

Fair winds and calm seas,

Felix

Rattigan <m_ratty@...> wrote:

I would also guess that you cook for yourself at home, however on the vessel

the chef cooks for you. Each person has there own job :-)

Regards

>From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: Re: Medic duties/ impressions please

>Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:54:14 +0000 (GMT)

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>The answer to your question number one is YES ++++ Do you clean your own

>toilet at home...?

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>royalrm2000 <royalrm2000@...> wrote:

> Hello Gents (possible double post)

>

>I'm a long time lurker on this site and an offshore medic working land

>based and maritime.

>

>I have a situation which I'd like to float past the members of this site.

>

>I'm currently working on a modern, clean vessel with excellent

>management and HSE systems.

>

>However when I requested that the ships messman clean the hospital

>toilet once a week I had the messmans manager with both feet in my in

>tray waving job worksheets stating it wasn't their job.

>I asked up the chain of command if there was an issue

>

>Remember. the messmen clean every single private cabin toilet, every

>common toilet and every work place toilet on the ship daily . No other

>single crew man or contractor is expected to clean a toilet.

>

>Right up the chain I met resistance, however no logical reason or

>precedent has been presented to back this up.

>

>The impression I get is the medic is seen as some one with a small

>work load, how dare he ask for a toilet to be cleaned once a week.

>

>I can assure you I am not sat on my backside racking up DVDs and

>speed reading pulp fiction

>

>I've been in the business long enough to know about " choosing your

>battles " but this has annoyed me.

>

>I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CLEANING TOILETS. But this seems to

>be an anomally

>

>I have a standpoint and a plan of action, I'd just like external input

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>Questions.

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>1. Am I being a screamer, too much noise over a petty subject

>2. If I question this futher are there regs/refs etc that I can look at for

>direction. (I already have my job description)

>3. Please voice your own personal opinions and experiences

>4. Please list reasons why a messman shouldn't clean the hospital toilet

>5.Please list reasons why a messman should clean the hospital toilet

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>Many thanks

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