Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Oh, and how does adding honey to the mix alter the chemistry? You may not know, but it's something I am wondering about. M. On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Marcia on wrote: > Hi Marti, > > I'm interested in trying this. I hadn't heard about it being an anti-viral before, and I've got several members of the herpes family hitchhiking along in my body. > > It wasn't clear to me whether you add the baking soda to the same glass as the vinegar. Would the vinegar still be effective against the lipid layer when buffered by the baking soda? > > How crucial is it to take it on an empty stomach? > > Did you experience any die-off reactions when you first started taking this? > > If you add the baking soda, is it still a good idea to use a straw when drinking it to protect the enamel on your teeth? > > I'll probably think of more questions, but that's it for now. > > Thanks, > > Marcia on > in Salem, Massachusetts > > > > On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:07 PM, marti_zavala wrote: > >> >> When it comes to vinegar, I use 2 tablespoons. Never more than an ounce. And I rarely, if ever, do a second dose. I use apple cider vinegar - Braggs. By the way, this dose is the same anti-viral dose to knock out the herpes family. The vinegar dissolves the lipid layer protecting the virus cell. Works if you follow a strict 8 hour timing. Herpes viruses (at least HSV 1 & 2) seems to replicate on 8 hour timeframe. I take Valtrex now but this worked okay when I didn't have insurance. >> >> The baking soda dose I use is double what the box says (1/2 tsp in 8 oz water -so I use 1 tsp in 8 oz water). this also just happens to be the dose for reducing lactic acid in your muscles (the first 1/2 tsp is used neutralizing the stomach acid and the remaining 1/2 tsp goes into your bloodstream then to your muscles. I discovered this when I researched how marathon and triathalon athletes recover from an event. >> >> doing the vinegar before a meal might also help your digestive system. when we start chewing, the stomach releases additional stomach acid but our population usually has trouble with this. >> >> HTH, >> Marti >> >> >>>>> >>>>>> ** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Almost 2 months ago I saw my GP. Since my usual sleep meds were not >>>>>> working as well as they previously had, I asked if she had anything else I >>>>>> could try. >>>>>> >>>>>> She prescribed an antidepressant (Lexapro). It is an SSRI. After the >>>>>> second day of using it, I started having gastric pain. After about 5 days, >>>>>> I had to stop the Lexapro, because of a multitude of side-effects (these >>>>>> antidepressants are really horrible). >>>>>> >>>>>> However, the gastric pain has persisted. It feels like when you haven't >>>>>> eaten in a long time and your stomach feels like there is a big hole and >>>>>> some burning. I have been on Nexium for one month (The dose was increased >>>>>> to 80mg per days 10 days ago) with no relief. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am having trouble eating as all foods and liquids (including water) seem >>>>>> to irritate my stomach. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what to do. I have never had gastric upset for 2 months >>>>>> straight and with no relief through medications. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anybody have any experience with this or any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yannick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Hi Marcia, Actually, re-reading my original post was confusing to me! I am actually addressing two separate processes BUT they can be used together. I don't do this like I should but I do it religiously when am having issues. Process 1a: Apple Cider Vinegar as an anti-viral (breaks up the lipid layer) - no baking soda Process 1b: ACV to combat excess stomach acid. I do not use baking soda with this unless there was excessive burning on an ulcer or something and I want to erase the effects. Process 2a: Baking soda for sore muscles to reduce lactic acid (1tsp per 8 oz water dose - this is double the indigestion dose) Process 2b: Baking soda to alkalinize the body (pinch - less than 1/8 tsp in 8 oz of water). BUT for good digestion, these can be combined at mealtime while reaping the other benefits. How cool is that? The pancreas produces stomach enzymes when we start chewing. The stomach should be acidic and sometimes we have problems with both processes. At the end of the meal, about 1/2 an hour, the digestive system puts out the equivalent of baking soda to neutralize the excess acid and enzymes after a meal. ____________________ So, before the meal, ingest Apple Cider Vinegar, wait a few minutes, then begin your meal. 5 minutes into your meal (per my gastroenterologist but I don't eat much and I eat fast so 5 minutes in and I am already done so I don't wait 5 minutes), take your digestive enzymes, finish your meal. He is also assuming I eat slowly. With chronic pancreatitis, you can't each much so 5 min doesn't work). 1/2 hour after meal, take baking soda to get everything back to normal. (not the pinch dose in water which is for alkalizing but a regular dose of baking soda - 1/2 tsp in 8 oz water for completing the meal or 1 tsp in 8 oz of water for double duty of completing the meal AND reducing muscle aches). _______________________ You may not even need to do this at any other time than meal time - 3 times a day is pretty good but I really never did it at breakfast as I don't have much of a breakfast and ACV in the morning is yuck! Now for your questions (which I haven't answered thus far): MM: It wasn't clear to me whether you add the baking soda to the same glass as the vinegar. Would the vinegar still be effective against the lipid layer when buffered by the baking soda? --MZ: Sorry for the confusion. No baking soda with vinegar as it would buffer as you say. I was talking about 2 different processes in one post. MM: How crucial is it to take it on an empty stomach? --MZ: I didn't always take it on an empty stomach and felt it worked fine. I suppose if you just finished a meal, it wouldn't work as the meal would buffer the acid (almost like the baking soda). Especially, if you had bread or very absorbent stomach contents. Meat digests into an acidic substance so that's probably okay. That's for the anti-viral effect. Now for the excess acid - I think an empty stomach is critical as you want to change the pH quickly. MM: Did you experience any die-off reactions when you first started taking this? --MZ: No! which surprised me and which is why I liked it. It doesn't work great (like Valtrex) so it seems to do just enough to not overclog my detox system. I would imagine if your health was very, very poor on the ME/CFIDS scale, you might have some die-off. I felt it working within the first week (really after about 3 days). MM:If you add the baking soda, is it still a good idea to use a straw when drinking it to protect the enamel on your teeth? --MZ: No baking soda with vinegar. I never used a straw - I just chugged it back then went to brush my teeth. I have learned now that you are not supposed to brush after acidic food as the enamel is a little soft and wears away faster. You are supposed to rinse then brush 1/2 hour later. A straw would be good. MM: how about adding honey --MZ: I don't know but I did some research. The average pH of honey is 3.9 and the pH of ACV is about 4.5 so honey is actually more acidic! Is that right? I may be too foggy to see my error. Maybe the sugars in honey eliminate the burn of ACV? So, unless I am too brain-fogged to see the obvious, I don't think honey will hurt but rather help as it is more acidic (unless the sugars slow down the absorption (but that shouldn't hurt the anti-viral process but might hurt the excess acid process where you want the vinegar to change the pH quickly.) MM: I'll probably think of more questions, but that's it for now. --MZ: Sure, no problem. I have been playing with ACV in capsules from Swanson's. This would eliminate the yuck factor and the enamel issues. They are gelatin coated. I haven't tried them alone for viruses but I do use them with Valtrex, especially when I have missed a couple of days doses. I take them with me in my purse in a sealed container and when I am traveling as it is much easier then carting around liquid ACV. The biggest factor that I have experienced in all of this is the timing - I cannot remain on an 8 hr schedule. When I have done this, I feel these efforts are worth the trouble but my sleep schedule is wonky and I forget. I need a good alarm system. If you are going to try ACV for viruses, I would add other anti-virals like lysine or valine once you get going and see what ACV alone does for you. Maybe occassional spurts of Elderberry. And make sure the detox system is working throughout which is what we struggle for anyway - I know you know all that stuff but just putting it out there. I guess for those who detox with Valtrex, a course of ACV before starting Valtrex might help reduce that burden slowly. Hmmm. HTH, Marti > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost 2 months ago I saw my GP. Since my usual sleep meds were not > > > > > > working as well as they previously had, I asked if she had anything else I > > > > > > could try. > > > > > > > > > > > > She prescribed an antidepressant (Lexapro). It is an SSRI. After the > > > > > > second day of using it, I started having gastric pain. After about 5 days, > > > > > > I had to stop the Lexapro, because of a multitude of side-effects (these > > > > > > antidepressants are really horrible). > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the gastric pain has persisted. It feels like when you haven't > > > > > > eaten in a long time and your stomach feels like there is a big hole and > > > > > > some burning. I have been on Nexium for one month (The dose was increased > > > > > > to 80mg per days 10 days ago) with no relief. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am having trouble eating as all foods and liquids (including water) seem > > > > > > to irritate my stomach. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what to do. I have never had gastric upset for 2 months > > > > > > straight and with no relief through medications. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody have any experience with this or any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yannick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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