RE: Re: Floaters in the eye...

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If anyone finds any more information about eye floaters and possible infections

I would love to see it.

 

The floaters I get directly relate to very bad periods of physical illness (with

me)  and they are not a problem with a detached retina (been checked out).

 

I would be curious to know if they could be a sign of some organism. Maybe the

" floaters " which we are seeing (PWME and PWCFS) are different than the floaters

other people see and we are using that word as it's the only one we know.

 

Just a " gut feeling " and I'd like to hear if there is any proof that they are

different.

 

Kindest regards,

Annette

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I did not mean to imply that a detached retina would be the only cause

of floaters in the eye. I meant that blindness is such a serious

consequence that anyone having floaters should check to see if his or

her retina is detaching.

My two cents.

kdrbrill wrote:

>

> With all due sincere respect, floaters can be the result of many

> different infections or

> causes, or may just be due to aging.

>

> According to the Mayo Clinic website, they are a symptom of a detached

> retina only if they

> come on very suddenly. Here's their explantion:

>

> Eye floaters look like black or gray specks, strings or cobwebs that

> drift about when you

> move your eyes. Most eye floaters are caused by age-related changes

> that occur as the

> jelly-like substance (vitreous) inside your eyes becomes more liquid.

>

> When this happens, microscopic fibers within the vitreous tend to

> clump together. These

> clumps of debris float around within the vitreous cavity, and they can

> cast tiny shadows on

> your retina, which you may see as floaters.

>

> Eye floaters are most noticeable when you look at a plain bright

> background such as a

> blue sky or a plain white wall. They can be a nuisance, but most

> people learn to ignore

> them.

>

> If you notice a sudden increase in the number of eye floaters you see,

> contact an eye

> specialist immediately --- especially if you also see flashes of light

> or notice that your

> vision has become hazy. These can be symptoms of a retinal tear or a

> retinal detachment,

> which requires prompt attention.æ

>

> , I've had floaters off and on during the 10 years I've been

> ill. I didn't realize they

> had gone away for a year or two, until they came back in the last

> couple of months. And I

> have tested negative for lyme.

>

> Just my two cents,

>

> Dan

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > You are aware, I am sure, that floaters in the eye are a symptom of a

> > detached retina, which can cause blindness. A friend of mine had the

> > floaters, got her eyes checked and had surgery to re-attach the retina

> > before it detached completely and avoided blindness.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Jul 2008 07:36:33 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Floaters in the

eye...

I did not mean to imply that a detached retina would be the only cause of

floaters in the eye. I meant that blindness is such a serious consequence that

anyone having floaters should check to see if his or her retina is detaching.My

two cents.kdrbrill wrote:>> With all due sincere respect, floaters can

be the result of many > different infections or> causes, or may just be due to

aging.>> According to the Mayo Clinic website, they are a symptom of a detached

> retina only if they> come on very suddenly. Here's their explantion:>> Eye

floaters look like black or gray specks, strings or cobwebs that > drift about

when you> move your eyes. Most eye floaters are caused by age-related changes >

that occur as the> jelly-like substance (vitreous) inside your eyes becomes more

liquid.>> When this happens, microscopic fibers within the vitreous tend to >

clump together. These> clumps of debris float around within the vitreous cavity,

and they can > cast tiny shadows on> your retina, which you may see as

floaters.>> Eye floaters are most noticeable when you look at a plain bright >

background such as a> blue sky or a plain white wall. They can be a nuisance,

but most > people learn to ignore> them.>> If you notice a sudden increase in

the number of eye floaters you see, > contact an eye> specialist immediately ---

especially if you also see flashes of light > or notice that your> vision has

become hazy. These can be symptoms of a retinal tear or a > retinal detachment,>

which requires prompt attention.æ>> , I've had floaters off and on during

the 10 years I've been > ill. I didn't realize they> had gone away for a year or

two, until they came back in the last > couple of months. And I> have tested

negative for lyme.>> Just my two cents,>> Dan>> > >> > Hi ,> >> > You are aware, I am sure, that floaters in the

eye are a symptom of a> > detached retina, which can cause blindness. A friend

of mine had the> > floaters, got her eyes checked and had surgery to re-attach

the retina> > before it detached completely and avoided blindness.> >> >

> >>>

[Guest guest]

If anyone finds any more information about eye floaters and possible infections

I would love to see it.

The floaters I get directly relate to very bad periods of physical illness (with

me) and they are not a problem with a detached retina (been checked out).

I would be curious to know if they could be a sign of some organism. Maybe the

" floaters " which we are seeing (PWME and PWCFS) are different than the floaters

other people see and we are using that word as it's the only one we know.

Just a " gut feeling " and I'd like to hear if there is any proof that they are

different.

Kindest regards,

Annette

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Two yrs ago this month I started getting flashing lights around my right eye,

followed suddenly by a giant black floater.

Needless to say, this terrified person was in the ER in a very short time.

They sent me to a private Eye Dr, saying they did not have as sophisticated

equipment ini the ER..

The diagnoses was " detaching Uvea " (or vitreous, I can't remember which!) , not

the retina that I first feared.

I had Lyme in '01, and have no idea if this is related to Lyme, or just

something that has occurred with getting older----as the Dr proclaimed.

There was no treatment suggested, but to continue to return to the eye doc for

monitoring.

So, I make sure I take plenty of Vit C, along with bilberry and other

flavenoids. I also take hyaluronic acid for joint problems and learned that this

is also specific for these types of eye problems.

I haven't been back to the Dr in 18 months. Floaters are still there, if I look

for them in bright light, but mostly I'm not aware of them.

Sharon M

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PS Here are some notes I filed from various email posts:

The information I've gathered on eye floaters has been that the older you get,

the more susceptible you can become to them whether you are ill or well. Mine

greatly improved while on antibiotics to treat Lyme. I had to take a 2 week

break from antibiotics recently and they worsened during this period. It seems

lots of people with Lyme complain about them.

Q: Do you know of a natural cure for eye floaters? I would be so thankful if you

would help me.

JVW: I'd be glad to help. Try taking a combination of 1,000 milligrams of

choline, 500 milligrams of inositol, and 200 milligrams of methionine daily for

a few months. This combination should reduce the severity of the floaters, but

be patient because it could take several months before you see a difference.

i asked my llmd about floaters. she said the only thing she was aware of to

reduce floaters was to take NATTOKINASE, an enzyme that gradually dissolves

fibrin and i guess the protein clumps floaters are made of.so if you are

concerned about the floaters, nattokinase might be another option to try.

STEPHANIA is also good for eyes, per buhner book. so seems like you have some

options.

I have read that 10 thousands milligrams of biolfavinoids a day for about a

month does the trick. I tried it and it worked for me. Sorry I do not have any

link or literature to back this up, just memory and experience. I used NOW Foods

biofavinoids

Consider looking into homeopathic LYCOPODIUM

Floaters in the eye © What Doctors Don't Tell You (Volume 16, Issue 11)

A Floaters are little clumps of gel or cells floating through the thick

transparent gel of the eyeball. They can appear as specks, strands, webs or

other shapes, and may momentarily be confused with dust or tiny insects flying

across the eye. Strictly speaking, what we are seeing are the shadows of these

irregularities in the vitreous fluid that separates the lens and retina. This

gel-like fluid maintains the eye’s shape, aids the transmission of light to

the retina, absorbs shock and holds the retina in place.

Over the years, the vitreous fluid inevitably thickens, dries and shrinks, which

is why floaters are more commonly seen in people over 40. If their onset is

gradual, they are very likely harmless and require no treatment.

However, if there is a sudden appearance of multiple floaters, this may be a

sign of posterior vitreous detachment (PVD), the separation of vitreous fluid

away from the retina. By age 70, PVD has usually already taken place gradually.

However, floaters as well as PVD occur more often - and earlier - in

shortsighted people like yourself, in diabetics and in those who have undergone

cataract surgery, or laser surgery for the eye or skin, and as a result of

trauma (Graefes Arch Clin Exp Ophthalmol, 2005; 26 July: 1-5; Am Fam Physician,

2004; 69: 1691-8; Dermatol Surg, 2002; 28: 1088-91).

In addition, in about 25 per cent of cases, floaters indicate a

sight-threatening condition such as tears or detachment of the retina, which is

when any part of the retina gets pulled away from the back wall of the eye. If

left untreated for several days, permanent vision loss or blindness will result.

So, if your floaters appeared suddenly and are accompanied by light flashes or

loss of peripheral vision, it may be prudent to visit an eyecare specialist

immediately. Posterior uveitis (chronic eye inflammation brought about by

infectious disease or an autoimmune disorder) can also be sight-threatening.

But, unlike PVD, posterior uveitis is associated with a gradual blurring of

vision.

A surgical procedure called a ‘vitrectomy’ can remove floaters, but this

should only be done if your vision is severely limited and any other possible

causes - of which there are many - are ruled out. Indeed, the most common

complication of vitrectomy is cataract, so you may well be trading a small

problem for a more serious one (Br J Ophthalmol, 2001; 85: 546-8; Am J

Ophthalmol, 1988; 105: 160-4).

FLOATERS HAVE ALSO BEEN LINKED TO CANDIDIASIS, an overgrowth of the yeast-like

fungus Candida albicans, and may simply be a symptom of this system-wide problem

(Postgrad Med J, 2001; 77: 119-20). Candidiasis can be controlled by eliminating

sugar and yeast from the diet, which is certainly a safer and simpler solution

than surgery.

According to traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), floaters are the result of a

poor blood circulation that fails to nourish the optic nerve and surrounding

muscles of the eye. In TCM terms, the cause of this weak circulation is

congestion of the liver, kidneys and colon, so herbs that support these organs

can improve vision, strengthen the retina and blood vessels, and keep the

vitreous fluid free of debris. Although scientific studies are lacking, the

anecdotal evidence points to the fruit of Lycium barbarum - or Chinese WOLFBERRY

(gou qi zi), a member of the nightshade family - as a popular TCM remedy that

can nourish and support the liver and kidney, and treat a slew of eye problems

(including floaters, excessive tearing and cloudy vision) while helping to

prevent serious eye diseases.

While there is no proven or universal cure for floaters, the nature of the

condition suggests that lifestyle changes, and a programme of supplements and

herbs to feed, stimulate and hydrate the vitreous fluid, may well improve the

condition. For example, the anthocyanosides (flavonoid compounds) found in

bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus) have been shown to improve circulation in the

blood vessels of the eye, maintain the integrity of capillaries, stabilise

collagen, and correct the signs of retinal damage (Biochem Pharmacol, 1983; 32:

53-8; Angiologica, 1972; 9: 355-74; Minerva Med, 1977; 68: 3565-81).

Ginkgo biloba, too, improves eye circulation by preventing clotting of blood

platelets and causing blood vessels to dilate. Ginkgo works in synergy with

bilberry, so taking this herbal combination is an excellent choice for improving

overall eye health. In one German study, taking Ginkgo as a hard candy (160

mg/day for four weeks, then 120 mg/day) resulted in improved eyesight in

patients with severe degenerative circulatory disturbances, visual-field defects

and retinal problems (Klin Monatsbl Augenheilkd, 1980; 177: 577-83).

Finally, whereas most floaters are found in the vitreous fluid, it is important

not to overlook another, simpler cause of the problem. You could be suffering

from debris in the tear film. Many people, especially those prone to allergies,

blepharitis (eyelid inflammation) or styes can accumulate makeup, mucus and

other material within their tears. Floaters due to tear-film debris move when

you blink, whereas vitreous floaters respond more to eye movements than to

blinking.

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When I was in practice I had a measure of success in increasing the SOD levels.

SOD is inversely proportional to the vitamin C levels in the vitreous. A sudden

INCREASE IN VIT. C CAN REDUCE SOD SO QUICKLY THAT A POSSIBLE VITREOUS SINURESIS

AND FLOATERS CAN OCCUR. Dr. Ben Lane related this phenomenon to me years ago.

The best product that I have seen that can increase the body's SOD levels is SOD

Gliadin. This may turn out to be a powerful anti-aging product as well. Perhaps

the most common reason I encountered floaters was due to systemic viral

infection. Try increasing SOD levels and limit vitamin C levels to about a gram

a day.

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Annette,

I've had floaters since I was a teenager. Because I am severely

myopic, my doc explained that the tiny threadlike structures within the

vitreous hold the vitreous to the retina (which is why when it detaches

at about age 50 people can have a sudden flashes of light). The

floaters come from tiny tears in the retina in my case due to the

tension because of the high myopia. The detachment of the shrinking

vitreous from retina and uvea at that age is a normal process, but

because of the light flash needs to be checked immediately by an

ophthamologist, because it may signal retinal detachment.

However, since I became ill with whatever this stuff is, my floaters

seem to come in cascades when I am exposed to a chemical (I also have

MCS) or when I feel much worse. My current ophthamologist has no

explanation for this., other than IAIYH. (He is joking of course, he

believes I see it, but he can't, and the eye is AIYH)

I believe spirocetes may play a role in this sensation, because they

have been found in vitreous as well as all other body parts. I found

this in Lydia Mattman's book on cell wall deficient bacteria. It's the

microbiologist Mattman, not the FMS doc.

I've enjoyed this thread, hope someone more knowledgeable finds an

explanation.

Jill