Re: WAS: intranasal flu innoculation , NOW: germ theory

[Guest guest]

This makes sense, but I still come back to the same old question: how do we

return to balance and therefore, health? So our bodies are toxic or imbalanced

to begin with. I would say that most people have some sort of imbalance going

on, especially given this toxic world we live in.

What then do you do when the germs DO host on the waste of the imbalanced

body? This, to me, is the real question. Whether or not one causes the other

doesn't really matter, does it? It's what to do to regain the balance that's

truly the vital question.

It's pointless to say that HIV doesn't exist when SOMETHING is killing these

folks - see what I mean?

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

I agree. And I have the same question, though it will take time to

take action on this. My thoughts from what I have read are that you

can do a detox of your body, and then of course try to eat and live

as non toxic as possible, and then detox as needed. Avoiding toxic

things would also include things like suppressive drugs, caffeine,

certain fats, alcohol, smoking, basicly things that the body has a

hard time with. You may have to go as far as using homeopathy or

BioSET treatments to get rid of allergies which are making you

unhealthy. Also, avoid stressors in your life as much as possible

such as lack of sleep, stress, things like that. I think there is

an amount of these things that your body can take and still be

healthy. I think you know something is unbalanced when you start

getting random symptoms like a headache. I think the hard part is

actually changing your life to try to make it balanced and healthy.

I think I will try to gradually make some changes once I am ready.

As far as people dying from HIV or becoming sick from anything for

that matter, it would be important for people to know that

suppressing the symptoms with drugs or trying to treat the symptoms

is not going to make a person healthy. The only reason that it

matters " whether or not one causes the other " is so that one knows

what to do to be healthy to begin with so that they are less likely

to become sick. Most people today, including me, are living their

lives without knowing that the things they are doing are actually

making them sick, and when they get sick, they just treat the

symptoms.

Tara

>

> This makes sense, but I still come back to the same old question:

how do we return to balance and therefore, health? So our bodies

are toxic or imbalanced to begin with. I would say that most people

have some sort of imbalance going on, especially given this toxic

world we live in.

>

> What then do you do when the germs DO host on the waste of the

imbalanced body? This, to me, is the real question. Whether or not

one causes the other doesn't really matter, does it? It's what to

do to regain the balance that's truly the vital question.

>

> It's pointless to say that HIV doesn't exist when SOMETHING is

killing these folks - see what I mean?

>

> Sheri B.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 06:52 AM 9/26/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>This makes sense, but I still come back to the same old question: how do

we return to balance and therefore, health? So our bodies are toxic or

imbalanced to begin with. I would say that most people have some sort of

imbalance going on, especially given this toxic world we live in.

>

> What then do you do when the germs DO host on the waste of the

imbalanced body? This, to me, is the real question. Whether or not one

causes the other doesn't really matter, does it? It's what to do to regain

the balance that's truly the vital question.

But it matters as you can do all you want to the germ - kill it, etc - but

until you deal with the disturbance to the body, something will affect you

and if the bacteria is suppressed, which is doing a job, then where are you

then.

somewhere I read its like killing the firebrigade that come to the fire.

>

> It's pointless to say that HIV doesn't exist when SOMETHING is killing

these folks - see what I mean?

>

> Sheri B.

well, it is not pointless when it comes to HIV as they have stopped looking

for the cause, or covered up the cause

instead they blame HIV and then they use the lie to work on a vaccine and

then test that vaccine based on a lie.

The cause is never looked at again - just like polio blamed on poliovirus

when the cause very likely was pesticides and other toxins.

and you can work with your body chemistry - RBTI that I have talked about -

it is just that we have so few testers. Somehow I want to change that and

start teaching others, but how?

Sheri>

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[Guest guest]

>

>As far as people dying from HIV or becoming sick from anything for

>that matter, it would be important for people to know that

>suppressing the symptoms with drugs or trying to treat the symptoms

>is not going to make a person healthy. The only reason that it

>matters " whether or not one causes the other " is so that one knows

>what to do to be healthy to begin with so that they are less likely

>to become sick. Most people today, including me, are living their

>lives without knowing that the things they are doing are actually

>making them sick, and when they get sick, they just treat the

>symptoms.

See http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/AIDS.htm

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

What pesticide/toxin use corresponded with the rise and fall in rates

of polio? It's my (albeit vague) understanding that pesticide use

soared after the 40's/50's, when polio cases were actually declining.

-Angie

On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, at 01:11 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> At 06:52 AM 9/26/2006 -0700, you wrote:

> >This makes sense, but I still come back to the same old question: how

> do

> we return to balance and therefore, health? So our bodies are toxic or

> imbalanced to begin with. I would say that most people have some sort

> of

> imbalance going on, especially given this toxic world we live in.

> >

> > What then do you do when the germs DO host on the waste of the

> imbalanced body? This, to me, is the real question. Whether or not one

> causes the other doesn't really matter, does it? It's what to do to

> regain

> the balance that's truly the vital question.

>

> But it matters as you can do all you want to the germ - kill it, etc -

> but

> until you deal with the disturbance to the body, something will affect

> you

> and if the bacteria is suppressed, which is doing a job, then where

> are you

> then.

>

> somewhere I read its like killing the firebrigade that come to the

> fire.

>

> >

> > It's pointless to say that HIV doesn't exist when SOMETHING is

> killing

> these folks - see what I mean?

> >

> > Sheri B.

>

> well, it is not pointless when it comes to HIV as they have stopped

> looking

> for the cause, or covered up the cause

> instead they blame HIV and then they use the lie to work on a vaccine

> and

> then test that vaccine based on a lie.

> The cause is never looked at again - just like polio blamed on

> poliovirus

> when the cause very likely was pesticides and other toxins.

>

> and you can work with your body chemistry - RBTI that I have talked

> about -

> it is just that we have so few testers. Somehow I want to change that

> and

> start teaching others, but how?

> Sheri>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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>

>

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the ability. " -Ron White

[Guest guest]

At 06:52 2006-09-26 -0700, you (Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...>) wrote:

>This makes sense, but I still come back to the same old question: how do

>we return to balance and therefore, health? So our bodies are toxic or

>imbalanced to begin with. I would say that most people have some sort of

>imbalance going on, especially given this toxic world we live in.

Actually, the world isn't all that " toxic " - that toxines would be a main

cause of diseases. Such are caused by shocks, and various types of

shocks to ordinary people are probably increasing because of the

increasing terror perpetrated (in many ways, in the " rich " countries too),

by the ruling cliques. In one way, the world in fact is getting more toxic,

it seems: The bad practice of vaccinations apparently is increasing.

>What then do you do when the germs DO host on the waste of the imbalanced

>body? This, to me, is the real question. Whether or not one causes the

>other doesn't really matter, does it?

The question, whether it's bacteria and/or viruses that cause the diseases,

of course does matter. This is vital concerning what treatment is good

and what is bad. If they (or some of them) had such a function, then

it would be correct to combat these germs. In fact it isn't.

>It's what to do to regain the balance that's truly the vital question.

>

>It's pointless to say that HIV doesn't exist when SOMETHING is killing

>these folks - see what I mean?

>

>Sheri B.

This is not pointless at all. On the contrary, the knowledge that there is NO

" HIV " and NOTHING that might justifiably be called " AIDS " - that term

is only a misleading renaming of several actual diseases which have nothing

in common and none of which is caused by a virus - is VITAL.

People are being " tested " (purportedly) for so-called " HIV " . Some of them

will be told, " you're infected with HIV " . This FALSE " diagnosis " will induce

a fear, a shock, which already in itself may be life-threatening. And the

falsely-diagnosed will get under pressure to take some very poisonous

" medicines " . They will be stigmatized socially too.

THOSE are the things that are killing people in connection with " HIV " .

If people know that there IS NO " HIV " and that those " diagnoses " are

all FRAUDULENT, they will avoid those ACTUAL dangers.

" Something " is killing " those folks " , you wrote, Sheri.

What folks do you mean? Those purportedly " tested HIV positive " ?

But since there is no " HIV " , these are only different from others

because of that FALSE diagnosis which they have gotten - they

are subjected to SOCIALLY-caused dangers, not to any virus-

caused such.

And there are people dying from ACTUAL diseases which are

WRONGLY being called " AIDS " - that's what's killing some " folks " .

People need to know that fact too, so that these actual diseases

can be treated, something which the false " AIDS diagnoses " are

preventing too.

By your reference, Sheri, to " those folks " (which must mean " the

HIV positive " , or what else?), you're implying that there IS a

" deadly virus HIV " . The same is really implied by you when

you're adding that you don't know what it is that's killing " them " ,

" only something " , and that it would be " pointless " to try to find

out what " that something " really is.

Thus you're - no doubt inadvertently - chiming in with that

scare propaganda by the establishment which is the basis

for the actual killing of " those folks " .

Please try to find out the facts instead. It's not all that

difficult. There are several good websites on this subject,

for instance www.virusmyth.net and some others which

are bringing articles by Ryke Geerd Hamer and Stefan Lanka

- who are the very best at explaining the facts on " HIV " and " AIDS " .

It's IMPORTANT that the " OFFICIAL " BIG LIE about these things

get exposed to as many as possible. We who are posting to this

list, for instance, should make some efforts to get at the truth

on this matter, so that we can tell it to others. It's a " shocking "

truth, considering that which we are always being told by the

mass media and the doctors; thus we may have a certain reluctance

against realizing it. But one needs to do some " fact digging " here.

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

At 10:15 PM 9/26/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>

>What pesticide/toxin use corresponded with the rise and fall in rates

>of polio? It's my (albeit vague) understanding that pesticide use

>soared after the 40's/50's, when polio cases were actually declining.

>-Angie

See

http://www.geocities.com/harpub

tons there

DDT primarily and goes back to pesticide use in 1800's

DDT was hugely used in the 40's & 50s

I teach all of this in my Vaccine Dangers 2 or Disease Treatment Reality Class

Also , my friend who owns http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

is collecting and putting on his page photos of spraying with DDT

Now we have so-called West Nile which is also pesticide and polution related

Sheri

>

>

>On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, at 01:11 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

>> At 06:52 AM 9/26/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>> >This makes sense, but I still come back to the same old question: how

>> do

>> we return to balance and therefore, health? So our bodies are toxic or

>> imbalanced to begin with. I would say that most people have some sort

>> of

>> imbalance going on, especially given this toxic world we live in.

>> >

>> > What then do you do when the germs DO host on the waste of the

>> imbalanced body? This, to me, is the real question. Whether or not one

>> causes the other doesn't really matter, does it? It's what to do to

>> regain

>> the balance that's truly the vital question.

>>

>> But it matters as you can do all you want to the germ - kill it, etc -

>> but

>> until you deal with the disturbance to the body, something will affect

>> you

>> and if the bacteria is suppressed, which is doing a job, then where

>> are you

>> then.

>>

>> somewhere I read its like killing the firebrigade that come to the

>> fire.

>>

>> >

>> > It's pointless to say that HIV doesn't exist when SOMETHING is

>> killing

>> these folks - see what I mean?

>> >

>> > Sheri B.

>>

>> well, it is not pointless when it comes to HIV as they have stopped

>> looking

>> for the cause, or covered up the cause

>> instead they blame HIV and then they use the lie to work on a vaccine

>> and

>> then test that vaccine based on a lie.

>> The cause is never looked at again - just like polio blamed on

>> poliovirus

>> when the cause very likely was pesticides and other toxins.

>>

>> and you can work with your body chemistry - RBTI that I have talked

>> about -

>> it is just that we have so few testers. Somehow I want to change that

>> and

>> start teaching others, but how?

>> Sheri>

>>>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

At 05:16 2006-09-27 -0700, you (Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...>)

wrote:

>And again (I guess I " m going round and round here), even if it IT caused

>by exposure to pesticides, what can we do to heal ourselves and our kids

>given that the rest of society is not going to buy this theory and get rid

>of the pesticides?

>

>Also, to what do we attribute all the sickness that occured in

>pre-industrial times?

>

>Sheri B.

>

Pesticides at least are no major cause of the diseases in our time.

Your point about there being many diseases in pre-industrial times

goes to support this.

Once more, for the (obviously) correct theory about diseases, see

GNM Entrance Page

http://germannewmedicine.ca/

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

At 13:56 2006-09-27 +0000, you (Tara Maue <orrin_reilly@...>)

wrote:

>One of my problems that I am having is that it is hard to find a

>direct answer for anything. I know I am living in a dream world,

>but if there are people out there who know the answers about these

>matters, why can't they talk straight so that the average person who

>doesn't have all the time, can understand what is going on.

Tara,

Hamer's theory, which I (while still pretty ignorant) have concluded

is correct, is explained in articles at

GNM Entrance Page

http://germannewmedicine.ca/,

as I've mentioned before.

Many of the articles in English there are by Dr Caroline Markolin,

Canada. Have you found them difficult to read? I think she's

doing a rather good job at explaining the theory in as simple

terms as possible. I on my part have needed some time anyway

to grasp even approximately (reading some other stuff) what that

theory is all about, since it so completely contradicts lots of

things which I've long believed were truths, on medicine.

>I still don't buy the mental aspect of getting sick entirely because

>it doesn't explain young children getting something like

>chickenpox. I am sure it can have some aspect on adults, but not on

>infants.

Young children, even infants, have minds too, and can get shocks too, the

GNM theory says - which seems logical to me.

It even says that, from a certain stage on at least, a fetus still

within its mother's body can get a shock. One example: The

sound of a circular saw which it hears may give it a fright,

since that sound resembles that of a lion's roar (which

since long humans have " a program " to fear). " Far out " ?

May well be true, I on my part think.

Rolf M.

>

>

>The more I learn, the more things that don't make sense about this

>all.

>

>Tara

>

>

> >

> > And again (I guess I " m going round and round here), even if it IT

>caused by exposure to pesticides, what can we do to heal ourselves

>and our kids given that the rest of society is not going to buy this

>theory and get rid of the pesticides?

> >

> > Also, to what do we attribute all the sickness that occured in

>pre-industrial times?

> >

> > Sheri B.