Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Does anyone have any info or links on these? Are they worth getting or just a waste? ) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Thank you for the info your sent Sheri. So just to confirm... a titer to determine antibodies on a child WITHOUT vaccines will not necessarily mean he is immune to it? I get that part. BUT would it show that he (the unvaxxed child) had the same antibodies that would be produced with a vaccine? I guess what I'm saying is that from the articles I get that a titer after a vaccine does not show that the person is immune, but has antibodies, which doesn't necessarily mean anything. So then if an unvaxxed person showed the same amount of antibodies on a titer, it would show that they had the same amount (or whatever the result) of antibodies and therefore the vaccine would be useless theorheticly? (I know you think the vax are useless anyway but I just mean solely for the purposes of producing antibodies - not that antibodies=immunity) Does that make sense? I hope so! I know what I'm trying to say but its hard to word it! ) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products Re: Titers a waste At 04:09 PM 4/28/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have any info or links on these? Are they worth getting or just a waste? > >) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com > >~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids >Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 At 06:53 PM 4/28/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Thank you for the info your sent Sheri. >So just to confirm... a titer to determine antibodies on a child WITHOUT vaccines will not necessarily mean he is immune to it? I get that part. NOT without vaccines............antibody titers in a child who has HAD THE DISEASE are probably accurate as they would be mobilized along with everything else in the immune system and are an indicator of that. But in a vaxed child, they are only an indicator of the manipulation that has gone on to make the vaccine make the body produce titers. The disease was not gotten in the normal way by mouth, nose, etc, mobilizing another whole aspect of the immune system that is bypassed in vaccines. > >BUT would it show that he (the unvaxxed child) had the same antibodies that would be produced with a vaccine? >I guess what I'm saying is that from the articles I get that a titer after a vaccine does not show that the person is immune, but has antibodies, which doesn't necessarily mean anything. So then if an unvaxxed person showed the same amount of antibodies on a titer, it would show that they had the same amount (or whatever the result) of antibodies and therefore the vaccine would be useless theorheticly? (I know you think the vax are useless anyway but I just mean solely for the purposes of producing antibodies - not that antibodies=immunity) >Does that make sense? I hope so! I know what I'm trying to say but its hard to word it! No, couldn't quite figure it out but hopefully my answer above helps Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 LOL Yes your answer helps! Sorry I'm confusing! Let me try another way. I am curious if my unvaxxed son was exposed to HiB recently - not full out got the disease, but exposed, and he did get sick not quite sure what is was and he was around a baby that got the vax that day and then he got sick a few days later. Would a titer show if he, the unvaxxed kid, was exposed to it if antibodies for it were present? Also does it only show it if they are recently exposed, or would it show antibodies he had gotten through breastmilk? Okay I hope that is clearer! But yes your answer did help. I understand titer's in vaxxed kids are useless. Thanks!! ) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products Re: Titers At 06:53 PM 4/28/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Thank you for the info your sent Sheri. >So just to confirm... a titer to determine antibodies on a child WITHOUT vaccines will not necessarily mean he is immune to it? I get that part. NOT without vaccines............antibody titers in a child who has HAD THE DISEASE are probably accurate as they would be mobilized along with everything else in the immune system and are an indicator of that. But in a vaxed child, they are only an indicator of the manipulation that has gone on to make the vaccine make the body produce titers. The disease was not gotten in the normal way by mouth, nose, etc, mobilizing another whole aspect of the immune system that is bypassed in vaccines. > >BUT would it show that he (the unvaxxed child) had the same antibodies that would be produced with a vaccine? >I guess what I'm saying is that from the articles I get that a titer after a vaccine does not show that the person is immune, but has antibodies, which doesn't necessarily mean anything. So then if an unvaxxed person showed the same amount of antibodies on a titer, it would show that they had the same amount (or whatever the result) of antibodies and therefore the vaccine would be useless theorheticly? (I know you think the vax are useless anyway but I just mean solely for the purposes of producing antibodies - not that antibodies=immunity) >Does that make sense? I hope so! I know what I'm trying to say but its hard to word it! No, couldn't quite figure it out but hopefully my answer above helps Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 At 08:14 AM 4/29/2006 -0400, you wrote: >LOL Yes your answer helps! Sorry I'm confusing! >Let me try another way. I am curious if my unvaxxed son was exposed to HiB recently - not full out got the disease, but exposed, and he did get sick not quite sure what is was and he was around a baby that got the vax that day and then he got sick a few days later. > >Would a titer show if he, the unvaxxed kid, was exposed to it if antibodies for it were present? > >Also does it only show it if they are recently exposed, or would it show antibodies he had gotten through breastmilk? > >Okay I hope that is clearer! > >But yes your answer did help. I understand titer's in vaxxed kids are useless. Thanks!! I just wouldn't worry about it. You could be worrying about everything - who knows what he is exposed to everyday out there. Yes, it might show. What could you do anyway? Sheri > >) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com > >~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids >Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products > Re: Titers > > > At 06:53 PM 4/28/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >Thank you for the info your sent Sheri. > >So just to confirm... a titer to determine antibodies on a child WITHOUT > vaccines will not necessarily mean he is immune to it? I get that part. > > NOT without vaccines............antibody titers in a child who has HAD THE > DISEASE are probably accurate as they would be mobilized along with > everything else in the immune system and are an indicator of that. > > But in a vaxed child, they are only an indicator of the manipulation that > has gone on to make the vaccine make the body produce titers. The disease > was not gotten in the normal way by mouth, nose, etc, mobilizing another > whole aspect of the immune system that is bypassed in vaccines. > > > > >BUT would it show that he (the unvaxxed child) had the same antibodies > that would be produced with a vaccine? > >I guess what I'm saying is that from the articles I get that a titer after > a vaccine does not show that the person is immune, but has antibodies, > which doesn't necessarily mean anything. So then if an unvaxxed person > showed the same amount of antibodies on a titer, it would show that they > had the same amount (or whatever the result) of antibodies and therefore > the vaccine would be useless theorheticly? (I know you think the vax are > useless anyway but I just mean solely for the purposes of producing > antibodies - not that antibodies=immunity) > >Does that make sense? I hope so! I know what I'm trying to say but its > hard to word it! > > No, couldn't quite figure it out but hopefully my answer above helps > Sheri > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Probably nothing but I'm just curious! I think I need some homeopathic worry remedy for myself! Oh, Are there homeopathic treatments for systemic candida? ) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products I just wouldn't worry about it. You could be worrying about everything - who knows what he is exposed to everyday out there. Yes, it might show. What could you do anyway? Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 At 09:19 AM 4/29/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Probably nothing but I'm just curious! >I think I need some homeopathic worry remedy for myself! >Oh, Are there homeopathic treatments for systemic candida? Homeopathy treats the whole person, not specific diagnosis. The right remedy and cure will happen. Sheri > >) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com > >~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids >Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products > > > I just wouldn't worry about it. You could be worrying about everything - > who knows what he is exposed to everyday out there. > > Yes, it might show. What could you do anyway? > > > Sheri > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Ahhh yes I can't seem to remember that. I emailed you privately a few days ago about a referal to one here, do you happen to know of any good ones? (ville, FL) ) ~ mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 9 Months Old ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Featuring Personalized Baby & Children's Clothing + Natural Parenting/Breastfeeding Advocacy Products Homeopathy treats the whole person, not specific diagnosis. The right remedy and cure will happen. Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I've just started doing research into HiB because my baby's (new) doc insists that the vaccine is such a great thing, it has wiped out meningitis and the related deafness in children. And I found it odd that there was this dangerous disease that I had never head of causing symptoms (ie meningitis) in an age group I had never heard of before. If there were/are such huge outbreaks of meningitis in the under 5 age group you'd think there would have been reports plastered all over the news. Afterall everytime there is an outbreak at a highschool I hear all about it. This however was the final nail in the coffin unless someone can prove this stat is not true: http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/HIB.htm " Haemophilus influenza type b was first isolated in 1892 from victims in an influenza epidemic. This bacteria lives in the human respiratory tract and can be recovered from the nasal and throat passages of up to 90 percent of all healthy individuals " So titres for HiB would be useless because apparently we all have it. > >Thank you for the info your sent Sheri. > >So just to confirm... a titer to determine antibodies on a child WITHOUT > vaccines will not necessarily mean he is immune to it? I get that part. > > NOT without vaccines............antibody titers in a child who has HAD THE > DISEASE are probably accurate as they would be mobilized along with > everything else in the immune system and are an indicator of that. > > But in a vaxed child, they are only an indicator of the manipulation that > has gone on to make the vaccine make the body produce titers. The disease > was not gotten in the normal way by mouth, nose, etc, mobilizing another > whole aspect of the immune system that is bypassed in vaccines. > > > > >BUT would it show that he (the unvaxxed child) had the same antibodies > that would be produced with a vaccine? > >I guess what I'm saying is that from the articles I get that a titer after > a vaccine does not show that the person is immune, but has antibodies, > which doesn't necessarily mean anything. So then if an unvaxxed person > showed the same amount of antibodies on a titer, it would show that they > had the same amount (or whatever the result) of antibodies and therefore > the vaccine would be useless theorheticly? (I know you think the vax are > useless anyway but I just mean solely for the purposes of producing > antibodies - not that antibodies=immunity) > >Does that make sense? I hope so! I know what I'm trying to say but its > hard to word it! > > No, couldn't quite figure it out but hopefully my answer above helps > Sheri > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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