1/2 Stefan Lanka interview on bird flu etc

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This is for Sue in particular, who asked about that interview.

Rolf M.

UNITE! Info #251en: 1/2 Stefan Lanka interview on " bird flu " etc

[Posted: 22.02.2006]

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INTRO NOTE:

Currently there is a quite serious international wave of " bird

flu " swindle scare propaganda by the main reactionary poli-

ticians and mass media, and of largescale material destruction

covered-up with it. In India for instance, there recently has

been mass destruction of poultry. Here in Europe, in addition

to Italy's having being hit hard, in particular Germany at

present is a target of massive " bird flu " propaganda which

seems intended to prepare, " hopefully " , for some mass murder

of people too. If the ruling reactionaries in the world cannot

carry this out, it's not because they are not trying.

Precisely in Germany however there are also some people who

have seen through the workings and the pseudoscientific

" basis " of this propaganda, not least the virologist Stefan

Lanka, and who since some months and even some years back are

engaging in informing everybody on this. Some of their

writings have been brought also in English, but not yet, as

far as I've been able to see, a certain interview with Stefan

Lanka which was published in German on 27.10.2005 and which in

my (absolutely non-expert) judgement is quite important con-

cerning the question of " bird flu " and concerning some ques-

tions related to this too.

Therefore I'm bringing here a translation by myself of that

interview. Some points in it I've mentioned briefly earlier,

in items NWBC 085 and 097 at my homepage section " News with

brief comments " . As noted there also, an earlier interview

with Stefan Lanka and an earlier article by him, both of which

likewise are important in this context, already exist in Eng-

lish translation, the interview being from 1998 and dealing

with so-called retroviruses, and the article from 2001, on

viruses in general.

[http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/

lanka_interview1.htm

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm]

I refer readers also to the links under the heading " On a (not

quite) new theory in medicine " at my " Links " section, and

further to the links under " On purportedly existing 'HIV' and

'AIDS' " at that section and those earlier Infos of mine which

can be found under " 'AIDS' " at the section " Subjects in

postings " - these have some relevance in the present context

too.

For now, I shall not endeavour to make an analysis of that

political context in which this wave of " bird flu " propaganda

and actions has now arrived. I intend to do this later.

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INTERVIEW WITH STEFAN LANKA 27.10.2005

ON " BIRD FLU " AND SOME RELATED SUBJECTS

Translation by RM of an article in German in the online news-

paper FAKTuell, at

http://www.faktuell.de/Hintergrund/Background367.shtml.

(See also a note below, after the translation.)

NO PANIC - THE TRUTH ABOUT BIRD FLU,

H5N1, VACCINATIONS AND AIDS

Ray * Comment and interview 27.10.2005

Nobody who observes the doctoring-around concerning symptoms,

as it is being practiced just now in the course of the ongoing

coalition negotiations, can take the declarations of the poli-

ticians and their menials seriously any more. Or do you be-

lieve perhaps that with continued Hartz IV and ALG II cut-

downs, even a single new workplace will be created?

Or that the big employment wave will necessarily arrive, if we

cut down corporation taxation, and raise the sick relief fund

charges and the value-added-tax, as well as cutting-down or

abolishing the work commuter contributions and night shift

wage additions?

All this, in spite of the daily workplace cutdowns and factory

closures...

If you are swallowing all this without gainsay, then you

should blithely do this also with the next piece of vaccina-

tion candy, and delete this page from you Internet favourites,

in favour of those with some capitals in their headings and

subtitles.

If you realize the fact however that you are permanently being

held for a fool or regularly f-cked (sorry!), then you should

take the time to listen to an independent scientist who has

not let himself be bought:

The virologist Dr. rer. nat. Stefan Lanka.

He has given some answers to the FAKTuell editors - with no

" back-door " evasions. Here is the interview:

BIRD FLU AND H5N1, VACCINATIONS AND AIDS.

DR LANKA, are we in Germany threatened by the bird flu?

Only indirectly.

Next year there will be much fewer babies in Germany.

According to the media, the storks will all be snatched away

by the bird flu. To this we should now accommodate our minds.

DO YOU MEAN THAT SERIOUSLY?

Just as seriously as there being any danger for us from the

purported bird flu virus H5N1. The danger or the disaster lies

somewhere else entirely.

WHERE, IN YOUR OPINION, does the danger or the disaster lie?

We have allowed ourselves to lose the habit of using our

reason.

That is the actual danger or the disaster. The politicians and

the media are taking it upon themselves to delude us into be-

lieving everything, for instance, delude us into believing

that migratory birds in Asia have been infected with an ex-

tremely dangerous, deadly virus.

These mortally diseased birds then keep flying for weeks on

end. They fly thousands of kilometres, and then in Romania, in

Turkey, Greece and elsewhere infect hens, geese or other poul-

try, with which they have had no contact, and which within a

very short time get diseased and die.

But the migratory birds do not get diseased and do not die,

but keep on flying, for weeks on end, thousands of kilometres. Anyone who

believes this will believe too that babies are brought by the stork. In

fact the larger part of people in Germany do believe in a danger from bird

flu, don't they.

IS THERE, THEN, no bird flu at all?

Since the late 19th century, diseases of poultry in mass ani-

mal farming have been observed: Bluecolouring of the crest,

decrease in egglaying performance, sagging of the feathers,

and sometimes these animals die too. These diseases were

called bird pest.

In present-day mass poultry farming, in particular when hens

are being raised in cages, many animals die each day as a

result of species-alien animal farming. Later, these conse-

quences of the mass animal farming were no longer called bird

pest, but bird flu. Since decades back, we are experiencing

that a transferable virus is being maintained as the cause of

this, in order to deflect from the actual causes.

THEN THOSE 100 MILLION hens which appear to have died from

bird flu in reality have died from stress or and/or from

nourishment deficiency and poisoning?

No! If one hen lies fewer eggs or gets a blue crest and that

hen is tested H5N1-positive too, then all the other hens are

gassed. That is how there got to be those 100 million appa-

rently H5N1-killed hens.

If you look at this more closely, then you see behind it a

several-decades-long strategy: In the West, the big enter-

prises are cleaning themselves up with this, because those

animals which have died " from the contagious disease " are

being compensated for at the expense of the general public, at

the highest market price, while in Asia and everywhere where

poultry are being farmed successfully, the poultry market

there is being destroyed maliciously and on purpose under the

leadership of the UN organization FAO.

All big Western poultry farming enterprises, therefore, are

keeping their mouths shut and by means of their veterinaries

are seeing to it that, if the market price for poultry sinks,

they get an infectious disease diagnosed, so that they can get

their animals sold at a higher price than would be possible

with normal farming, " taken care of " at the governmentally

guaranteed maximum price, and all the animals in one single

batch too.

To bring it to the common denominator: It's modern subvention

scamming combined with paralyzing scaremongering, which as a

secondary effect guarantees that nobody asks for proof.

OF WHAT DID THOSE 61 PERSONS DIE who were demonstrated to have

H5N1?

There is only very little in the way of publicly available

reports, describing what were the symptoms and how these per-

sons were then treated. These cases clearly point in one

direction: Persons with symptoms of a cold, who then had the

bad luck to fall into the hands of H5N1 hunters, were killed

with enormous amounts of chemotherapy supposed to restrain

the phantom virus. Isolated in plastic tents, surrounded by

madmen in space suits, they died, in panicky fear, from mul-

tiple organ failures.

DOES THIS BIRD FLU VIRUS then not exist at all?

In humans, in the blood or in other bodily fluids, in an ani-

mal or in a plant there never have been seen or demonstrated

structures which you could characterize as bird flu viruses or

flu viruses or any other supposedly disease-causing virus. The

causes of those diseases which are being maintained to be

caused by a virus, also those in animals, which can arise

quickly and in individuals either one after the other or

several at the same time, are known since a long time back.

Even more: For viruses as the causing agents of diseases there

in biology, however much you stretch things, is simply no

place.

Only if I ignore the findings of Dr Hamer's New Medicine

[http://www.faktuell.de/Hintergrund/themaDrRykeGeerdHamer.

shtml], according to which shock events are the cause of many

diseases, the findings of chemistry about the effects of

poisonings and deficiencies and if I ignore the findings of

physics about the effects of radiation, then there is a place

for imaginings such as disease-causing viruses.

WHY THEN are disease-causing viruses still being *maintained*

to exist?

The school medicine protagonists/practitioners need the para-

lyzing, stupid-making and destructive fear of diseasecausing

phantom viruses as a central basis for their existence:

Firstly, in order to harm many people with vaccinations, in

order to build up for themselves a clientele of chronically

ill and ailing objects who will put up with anything being

done to them.

Secondly, in order not to have to admit that they are failing

totally in their treatment of chronic illnesses and have

killed and are killing more people than all wars so far have

made possible. Every school medicine practitioner is conscious

of this, but only very few dare to speak about it. Therefore

it's no wonder either that among professional groups, it is

that of the school medicine practitioners that has the highest

suicide rate, far surpassing other professional groups.

Thirdly, the school medicine practitioners need the paralyzing

and stupid-making fear of diabolical viruses, in order to con-

ceal their historical origin as an oppression and killing

instrument of the Vatican's when it was struggling to rise in

the world, having developed out of the usurping West Roman

army.

School medicine has been and is the most important pillar of

support of all dictatorships and governments which do not want

to submit to written law, to constitutions, to human rights,

that is, to the democratically legitimized social contract.

This explains too why school medicine really can and is al-

lowed to do anything that pleases it, and in this is subjected

to no control whatsoever. If we do not overcome this, we will

all perish by this school medicine.

ARE YOU NOT exaggerating a little here?

unfortunately, no! Anyone who opens his eyes will see this in

that way.

Ivan Illich warned about this already in 1975 in his analysis

" Die Enteignung der Gesundheit " ( " The Expropriation of

Health " ). Still today this book exists, under the title: Die

Nemesis der Medizin (The Nemesis of Medicine).

Goethe described the state of school medicine very much to the

point in Faust I and has the physician Dr Faustus admit:

" Hier war die Arznei, die Patienten starben und nie-

mand fragte, wer genas, so haben wir mit höllischen

Latwergen, in diesen Tälern, diesen Bergen weit

schlimmer als die Pest getobt, ich selbst habe das

Gift an Tausende gegeben, sie welkten hin, ich muss

erleben, dass man die frechen Mörder lobt. "

( " Here was the medicine, the patients died and nobody

asked who recovered, thus we have ravaged with infer-

nal electuaries, in these valleys, these mountains,

much worse than the pest, I myself have given the

poison to thousands, they withered away, I must ex-

perience that the unabashed murderers are being

praised. " )

Goethe calls school medicine practitioners who are giving

people the electuaries, that is, the poisonous substances,

unabashed murderers, who still today are being praised.

Here I can and also must refer to our publications, because we

have, as the first to do so, put the central revealing ques-

tion to modern medicine and have documented and commented on

the resulting confessions.

At www.klein-klein-aktion.de and www.klein-klein-verlag.de you

will find all the relevant information on this.

WHY HAVE PRECISELY YOU hit on this *millennium swindle*?

I have studied molecular biology.

In the course of my studies I demonstrated the existence of

the first virus in the sea, in a sea alga. This proof was

first published in a scientific publication in 1990, in accor-

dance with the standard of the natural sciences. The virus

whose existence I demonstrated reproduces itself in the alga,

can leave it and reproduce itself again in other algae of this

kind, without having any negative effects, and this virus

stands in no connection whatsoever with any disease.

For instance in one litre of sea water, there are over 100

million viruses of various kinds very different to each other.

Fortunately, the health authorities and the doctors have not

become aware of this, otherwise there since long would have

been a law permitting sea bathing only for persons attired in

total body condoms.

Biological structures which would do anything negative however

have never been seen. The basis of biological life is to-

getherness, is symbiosis, and in this there is no place for

war and destruction. War and destruction in biological life is

something purported by sick and criminal brains.

In the course of my studies, I and others have not been able

to find proof of the existence of diseasecausing viruses any-

where. Later we have discoursed on this publicly and have

called on people not to believe us either but to check out

themselves whether or not there are diseasecausing viruses.

Out of this there arose the klein-klein action, which since 5

years back has been asking the health authorities for proofs

and which finally has gotten admission of and certainty of the

fact that there is no proof of dieseasecausing viruses and no

proof of a benefit of vaccination. In order to enable us to

make these results publicly known without falsification of

them, we founded the klein-klein-verlag (publishing house)

three years ago.

WHAT VIRUSES ARE THERE at all, then, and what are they doing?

Structures which you can characterize as viruses there are in

many species of bacteria and in simple life forms, similar to

the bacteria. They are elements of together-living of diffe-

rent cells in a common cell type which have remained indepen-

dent. This is called a symbiosis, an endosymbiosis, which has

arisen in the course of the process of different cell types'

and structures' combining, an endosymbiosis which has brought

forth the present cell type, that type of cells of which

humans, animals and plants consist.

As are the bacteria in all our cells, which are breathing away

our oxygen, the mitochondria, or the bacteria in all plants

which are producing the oxygen, the chloroplasts, the viruses

are component parts of cells.

Very important: Viruses are component parts of very simple

organisms, for instance of the confervacae type of algae, a

particular species of a one-celled chlorella alga and of very

many bacteria. As existing there, these viral component parts

are called phages. In complex organisms however, in particular

in humans, or in animals or plants, such structures which you

might call viruses have never been seen.

In contrast to the bacteria in our cells, the mitochondria, or

the bacteria in every plant, the chloroplasts, which cannot

leave the common cell, since they are dependent on the metabo-

lism of the common cell, viruses can leave the cell, since

they are not carrying out any survival-vital tasks within the

cell.

Viruses, thus, are component parts of the cell which have

turned their entire metabolism over to the common cell and

therefore can leave the cell. Outside the common cell, they

are helping other cells, in that they are transferring con-

struction and energy substances. Any other function of theirs

has never been observed.

Those actual viruses which have been scientifically demon-

strated to exist are performing, in the very complex processes

of interactions of different cells, a helping, a supporting

and in no case a destructive function.

Also in the case of diseases, actually neither in the diseased

organism nor in a bodily fluid has any structure which you

could characterize as a virus ever been seen or isolated. The

proposition that there is any sick-making virus whatsoever is

a transparent swindle, a fatal lie with dramatic consequences.

WITH THIS, YOU ARE NOT MAINTINING that the dangerous AIDS

virus too is only a virtual one, are you?

Not only I am maintaining that the so-called AIDS virus " HIV "

has never been scientifically demonstrated to exist, but only

is being maintained to exist because of a purported consensus.

The Bundesgesundheitsministerin, the Minister for Public

Health in Germany, Ulla Schmidt, wrote on 05.01.2004 to the

Member of Parliament (Bundestagsabgeordneten) Rudolf Kraus:

" Of course the Human Immunodeficiency Virus is con-

sidered - in international scientific consensus - to

be scientifically demonstrated to exist. "

Today, after citizens in the course of many years time and

again have asked the health authorities here in Germany for

scientific proof of the existence of the purported sick-making

viruses, the health authorities are no longer maintaining that

any virus whatsoever purportedly causing a disease has been

directly proved to exist.

In an ongoing process of petitioning to the Bundestag (German

parliament), the Ministry of Public Health passed the bucket

of responsibility on such matters on to the Ministry of Re-

search. The Ministry of Research now is taking up the absurd

standpoint that the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of

science prohibits the state from checking on that which

science maintains.

BUT THAT IS ABSURD. That would mean that the state is surren-

dering us, helpless and protectionless, into the hands of an

uncontrolled science which can do and cause to be done any-

thing it wants. Are you really of the opinion that the state

is exposing us in such a way?

I do not have an opinion here. Concerning these matters, I can

only see and point to the facts. We are experiencing in the

present bird flu panic that the state, contrary to its know-

ledge, in Germany is surrendering the population into the

hands of some persons or other who are camouflaging themselves

as scientists. An enforced chemotherapy is being planned, and

next spring the entire German population is to be forcibly

vaccinated twice against the purported bird flu phantom.

But neither has ever a bird flu virus been demonstrated to

exist, nor has the existence of any virus whatsoever that

would have anything to do with anybody's falling ill been

demonstrated. *Such viruses do not exist*. Precisely in the

same manner as the minister admitted, concerning the purported

AIDS virus, they are being maintained to exist because of an

international scientific consensus.

BUT THE BIRD FLU VIRUS H5N1, dangerous to humans, was quite

recently very precisely demonstrated, in an English laborato-

ry, to exist!

If ever a virus coming from a concrete body or a bodily fluid,

for instance from birds, has been proved to exist, then any

average scientist can check out, in any average laboratory,

within a day, whether this virus is present in for instance a

dead animal. This however has never occurred, and on the con-

trary, indirect test methods which are telling absolutely

nothing are being used.

For instance, it's being maintained that there are antibodies

which would combine with the body of the purported virus and

only with that, and that then by there having occurred a com-

bination between body and antibody, the existence of the pur-

ported virus has been demonstrated.

In reality, those purported antibodies are soluble blood

albumins, which play a central role in the tightmaking of

cells which are growing and dividing and in the healing of

wounds.

These blood albumins, also called globulins, in a test-tube

containing corresponding concentrations of acids and bases,

minerals and solvents, will combine arbitrarily with other

albumins. Thus you can make any sample taken from an animal or

a person test arbitrarily positive or negative. It's complete,

and this must be quite clearly said too, criminal, wilfulness.

Also if it is maintained that, by means of a biochemical mul-

tiplication technique called polymerase chain reaction (PCR),

the so-called gene substance of the virus can be multiplied

and thus be proved to exist, this is a swindle, since firstly,

there nowhere exists a gene substance of a diseasecausing

virus, to which one might compare the artificially multiplied

particles of gene substance, and secondly, only such parts of

gene substances get multiplied which already existed in be-

forehand in those fluids which are being used for indirectly

demonstrating the existence of the purported virus.

[Continued in part 2/2]

[Guest guest]

I have scanned this but have not read all in detail, I'll say up front.

Some of this sounds plausible, but what would be the explanation of the people

who did come in contact with sick chickens - whatever caused their sickness?

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

At 04:55 2006-03-02 -0800, you (Sheri B.) wrote:

>I have scanned this but have not read all in detail, I'll say up front.

>

> Some of this sounds plausible, but what would be the explanation of the

> people who did come in contact with sick chickens - whatever caused their

> sickness?

>

> Sheri B.

Hello Sheri B.,

That's a very important question too, of course.

What Stefan Lanka said on this, in this interview, was:

[Question:] " Of what did those 61 persons die who were demonstrated to have

H5N1? "

[Answer:] " There is only very little in the way of publicly available

reports, describing what were the symptoms and how these persons were then

treated. These cases clearly point in one direction: Persons with symptoms

of a cold, who then had the bad luck to fall into the hands of H5N1

hunters, were killed with enormous amounts of chemotherapy supposed to

restrain the phantom virus. Isolated in plastic tents, surrounded by madmen

in space suits, they died, in panicky fear, from multiple organ failures. "

This does sound quite likely to me. That, apparently, is how nasty some of

these " H5N1 hunters " are. It's important to see that for the really

powerful person in the world, it's quite important to bring about this

international " bird flu " terror scam campaign now, since they are so very

much afraid of the people in all countries. Their entire rule in the world

in reality is quite shaky, although on the surface it may look " solid " . So

those person's don't care if they murder some dozens of " guinea pigs " , just

to " prove " that this big lie of theirs is the truth, either.

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

At 04:55 AM 3/2/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>I have scanned this but have not read all in detail, I'll say up front.

>

> Some of this sounds plausible, but what would be the explanation of the

people who did come in contact with sick chickens - whatever caused their

sickness?

>

> Sheri B.

>

I sent articles on toxic environment in these areas

We don't know for sure as only one secret lab does tests

Wedon't know their health

We don't nkow what treated with

Sheri

I'll send again>

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