2/2 Stefan Lanka interview on bird flu etc

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UNITE! Info #251en: 2/2 Stefan Lanka interview on " bird flu " etc

[Posted: 22.02.2006]

[Continued from part 1/2]

And it's quite simple:

A thousand pieces of indirect proof, corn circles for in-

stance, do not make an UFO either. You don't even have to know

English, so as to read those publications to which the virus

swindlers are referring, in order to see for yourself that

nowhere in them does a virus appear: If you ask those scien-

tists for proof of the existence of the purported viruses, for

instance that of H5N1, you will get only evasions in return

and never a concrete answer.

On TV we have heard time and again that the investigations

were carried out in an English laboratory. The name of that

English laboratory the public has not gotten to know. It's the

reference laboratory of the EU for bird flu, in Weybridge. I

have asked the scientists several times for the pieces of

proof of the existence of the H5N1 virus. They have replied to

me only once, and after that never again, and wrote that they

did not understand my question.

To the World Health Organization and in particular to the bird

flu pandemic co-ordinator, the German Klaus Stöhr, I also have

written several times and asked for proof of the existence of

the bird flu virus. Neither the WHO nor Klaus Stöhr has reac-

ted to this.

BUT WHAT DOES THIS H5N1, which makes the whole world tremble,

mean?

The " H " in H5N1 stands for haemaglutinin, the " N " stands for

neuraminidase.

The pseudovirologists are maintaining that in the protective

coat of influenza viruses, there are albumins of the type

haemaglutinin and albumins of the type of the enzyme neurami-

nidase.

As haemaglutinin, in biochemistry the most diverse substances

are being referred to, not only albumins, which are causing

the red blood-corpuscles to lump together with each other.

The pseudovirologists have jointly agreed that in the protec-

tive coat of influenza viruses there supposedly are 15 dif-

ferent kinds of albumins having the property of a haemagluti-

nin. The " 5 " here stands for Type Five of a purported albumin,

whose existence, again, is also only being demonstrated in-

directly.

Now in order to prove the existence of an influenza virus, in

the laboratory red blood-corpuscles are mixed with samples in

which there supposedly is the purported virus. If the red

blood-corpuscles lump together, then it is maintained that a

haemaglutinin in an influenza virus must be the cause of this,

without there ever having been isolated a virus from - not to

speak of, there ever having been seen a virus in - such a

sample or from/in such a mixture.

From the way in which the lumping together occurs the pseudo-

virologists then conclude, precisely in the manner of the

seers in the cartoon Asterix and Obelix, which type of haema-

glutinin, supposedly, has been found. For this, these scien-

tists have available a multitude of test procedures, which by

their construction ascertain that precisely that type of

haemaglutinin which the " testing " scientist already has as-

sumed in advance would be present becomes indicated too.

Precisely the same is the case with the enzyme neuraminidase,

which is maintained to be a component part of the protecting

hood of influenza viruses. Here, 9 different types are being

maintained by the pseudovirologists to exist. In reality the

neuraminidase is an enzyme which by the separating off of

parts of an amino sugar called neuramin acid regulates that

surface tension which is decisive for the functioning of the

respective metabolism. Analogously to the " viral " haemagluti-

nin there is a multitude of corrupt test procedures which

" demonstrate " that result, that is, " the existence of " pre-

cisely that type of neuraminidase, which the " seeing " viro-

logist already had assumed in advance.

Therefore it is also no wonder that that turkey cock, be-

longing to the 73 years old farmer Dimitris Kominaris of the

East Aegean island Inousses, which ostensibly died of H5N1,

has vanished without a trace, that at the reference laboratory

in question demonstrably no sample from Greece has arrived

either, and that the clairvoyant media however have reported

that a first sample has confirmed the suspicion.

For demonstrating the existence of H5N1, really no sample is

necessary either, since, as is the case with all purported

contagious diseases, it is a question of a planned action,

intended for political reasons to induce fear.

IN THE MEDIA, PHOTOS of bird flu viruses and influenza viruses

constantly are being shown. Some of these photos show round

formations. Are those not viruses?

No! Firstly, those round formations which supposedly are in-

fluenza viruses are, as every molecular-biologist can see,

artificially produced particles consisting of fats and

albumins. The layman can check on this by asking for a scien-

tific publication in which these pictures are reproduced and

described and the composition of the formations shown is

documented. Such a publication does not exist.

Secondly, those pictures which supposedly show bird flu

viruses in reality show, as every biologist can make out

without any doubt about it, quite normal component parts of

cells, or even show complete cells which happen to be in the

process of exporting or importing cell and metabolism compo-

nent parts. Again, the layman can check on this very pre-

cisely, by asking for those publications on which those photos

are based and from which they originate: He will never receive

such publications. The scaremongerers' craft guild is loath to

expose its trade basis, the swindles with laboratory and

animal experiments.

If you ask the picture agencies or a news agency such as the

dpa from where they are getting these photos of theirs, then

they will refer you to the American contagious-disease autho-

rity the CDC of the Pentagon. From this CDC it is that the

only photo of the purported H5N1 originates too.

This photo shows the length section cut and also the cross

section cut of tubes in cells which have been caused to die in

a test-tube. These small tubes in the professional language

are called microtubuli, and serve the transport and communica-

tion in the cell and in the process of cell division.

IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED HOWEVER THAT H5N1 kills hen embryos

and can be cultivated in eggs. Where is the rat to be smelled

in this?

These experiments have been used already since over 100 years

back, in order to " prove " the existence of several " viruses "

quite different from each other, for instance also that of the

purported smallpox virus. In these experiments, extracts are

being injected through the eggshell into the embryo. Depending

on how much is injected and where in the embryo the supposedly

" virus-infected " extract is injected, the embryo dies faster

or more slowly. It would die from such injections in precisely

the same manner too if the extracts were sterilized in ad-

vance.

This killing then is presented by those virologists, firstly,

as direct proof of the existence of the respective virus,

secondly as proof of the possibility of multiplying the virus,

and thirdly and simultaneously as proof of the isolation of

the virus.

From hen embryos killed in this way, millions of which are

dying silently each year at the vaccine manufacturers',

various vaccine substances are being produced.

Besides hen embryos, also cells are being killed in test-tubes

in order to present the dying of these cells as proof of the

existence, the multiplying and the isolation of a disease-

causing virus.

Nowhere however is a virus being isolated in this manner,

photographed in an electron microscope and its component parts

described in processes of the type called electrophoresis.

BUT THEN WHAT DOES KILL THE ANIMALS in the animal experiments,

if it is not the H5N1?

Concerning this too you only have to take a look at the publi-

cations in which these animal experiments are described. Hens

are being slowly suffocated to death within three days by

means of administering a fluid to them through the windpipe

tube.

In small Java monkeys, 30 days before the purported infection

temperature transmitters are being placed in the abdomen, 5

days before the purported infection they are fixated in an air

sub-pressure chamber and at the point of the so-called infec-

tion, an amount of liquid corresponding to 6 schnapps glasses

for humans is pressed through the tube in the windpipe of

these young animals. Parts of the same extract from dying,

that is putrefying, cells are sprayed into both eyes and into

the tonsils of the animals. In many cases, suffocation attacks are caused

in the animals by means of rinsing the bronchial tubes, etc. The resulting

damage and destruction is then presented as the result of H5N1.

I have informed the earlier Minister for Consumer Protection,

Künast, and the present minister, Trittin, who are presenting

themselves as protectors of animals, about this, via their

personal reporters. There was no reaction.

BUT THE VIRUS OF THE SPANISH FLU has been reconstructed gene-

tically and also has been demonstrated to be a bird flu virus!

What, so to speak, was reconstructed genetically is nothing

else than a model of the genetic substance of an influenza

virus. An influenza virus has never been isolated. A genetic

substance of an influenza virus has never been isolated

either. All that has been done is multiplying gene substance

by means of the biochemical multiplication method " polymerase

chain reaction " . With this method it also is possible to mul-

tiply arbitrarily new, never earlier existing, short pieces of

gene substance.

Thus it's possible with this technique also to manipulate the

genetic fingerprint, that is, to test someone as identical to

or different from a sample that has been " found " . Only if very

much of gene substance that can be compared is found will the

genetic fingerprint, provided the process is carried out pro-

perly, provide a certain probability of a match.

Dr Jeffery Taubenberger, from whom the allegation of a recon-

struction of the 1918 pandemic virus originates, works for the

US-American army and has worked for more than 10 years on pro-

ducing, on the basis of samples from different human corpses,

short pieces of gene substance by means of the biochemical

multiplication technique PCR. Out of the multitude of produced

pieces he has selected those which came closest to the model

of the genetic substance of the idea of an influenza virus,

and has published these.

In no corpse however was a virus seen or isolated or was a

piece of gene substance from a such isolated. By means of the

PCR technique there were produced out of nothing pieces of

gene substance whose earlier existence in the corpse could not

be demonstrated.

If viruses had been present, then these could have been iso-

lated, and out of them their gene substance could have been

isolated too; there would have been no necessity for anyone to

produce laboriously, by means of PCR technique - with clearly

a swindle intention - a patchwork quilt of a model of the

genetic substance of the idea of an influenza virus.

HOW CAN A LAYMAN check on this?

About these short pieces of gene substance, which in the sense

of genetics are not complete and which do not even suffice for

defining a gene, it is being maintained that they together

would make up the entire gene substance of an influenza virus.

In order to see through this swindle one only has to be able

to add up the published length pieces, in order to ascertain

that the sum of the lengths of the individual pieces, which

supposedly makes up the entire viral gene substance of the

purported influenza virus, does not make up the length of the

idea of the genome of the influenza virus model.

Even simpler it is to ask in what publication you can find the

electron microscope photo of this supposedly reconstructed

virus. There is no such publication.

IT'S BEING MAINTAINED that these experiments have demonstrated

that this reconstructed virus from 1918 would kill very ef-

fectively. What might be untrue in this?

If I inject into a hen embryo a mixture of artificially-pro-

duced pieces of gene substance and albumins and aim at the

centre of its heart, then it dies faster than if I only inject

the mixture into the embryo peripherically.

If I expose cells in a test-tube to a quantity of artificial-

ly-produced gene substance and albumins, then they die faster

than under the standard conditions for cells' dying in a test-

tube, something which " normally " is being presented as proof

of the existence, as proof of the isolation and as proof of

the multiplication of the purported virus.

Based on this artificially produced gene substance, which is

presented as viral, models of albumins are being made with

computers. Proceeding from these albumin models, the appearan-

ce of the entire virus is reconstructed with computers.

That is all, but the whole world believes that you can recon-

struct viruses in laboratories. Thus it's no wonder either

that, referring to statements by the CIA and by the British

secret service MI6, it is being maintained that in North

Korea, the communist regime would now be producing flu viruses

even more deadly than H5N1.

WHAT CONCLUSIONS do you draw from this?

Since the head of the supposed al-Qaida, Bin Laden, has not

been found, al-Qaida in Arabic only means The Way and nothing

had been heard of this organization before the hotcleaning-up

of the collapse-endangered skyscrapers in New York, since,

just as the supposed smallpox viruses have not been found,

there were not found any mass destruction weapons of Saddam's,

which were the reason for the second Iraq war, and now once

more some deadly viruses are being maintained to exist, it

should be obvious who in reality are the terrorists and who in

reality are the suicide bombers: All who are participating in

the virus panic and are contributing to it!

In the pandemic plans a possible breakdown of the provisioning

and of public order, in connection with the declaring of a

bird flu pandemic, has been envisaged by the WHO. The esti-

mates of up to 100 million deaths should be taken seriously.

As being under threat I see all inhabitants of homes for the

aged, who in a breaking-out of chaos and a breakdown of the

provisioning systems, and with those the public order, will be

the first, and besides small children the most protectionless

and defenceless, victims. Hardly possible to depict would it

be, if the contagious-disease makers would declare the

emergency already during the winter.

DOES THEN THE SUBSTANCE TAMIFLU, which is now being purchased

with tax money and stocked, protect people from the bird flu?

That this substance protects against a flu nobody is main-

taining.

Tamiflu is supposed to function as a neuraminidase-restraining

agent. It restrains in an organism the function of the sugar

neuraminidase acid, which is co-responsible for the surface

tension in the cells.

Those side effects which are noted on the instruction slips

accompanying packages of Tamiflu are almost identical to the

symptoms of a serious influenza. On a large scale, thus, medi-

cines are now being stored which cause precisely the same

symptoms as those which appear in an actual so-called in-

fluenza - and which will discontinue, with a doctor, after

seven days, and without a doctor after a week.

If Tamiflu is administered to sick persons, then this is

likely to cause far more serious symptoms than those of a

serious influenza. If a pandemic is stated to exist, then many

people will take this medicine at the same time. In that case

we will actually have unequivocal symptoms of a Tamiflu epi-

demic. Then also deaths caused by Tamiflu are to be expected,

and this will then be presented as evidence of the dangerous

nature of the bird flu and evidence of how anxious is the

state that people should be in good health.

In this, the well-tested AIDS pattern is being repeated. In

Spain it's noted on the instruction slips accompanying

packages of AIDS medicine that it is not known whether the

symptoms are caused by the medicine or by the virus.

THEN YOU WILL ALSO NOT RECOMMEND any general vaccination or

the specially developed vaccination against the bird flu?

I am not recommending any madness.

Every vaccination substance contains poisonous substances

which have effects during a long time resulting in smaller or

larger permanent injury. The infection protection law re-

quires, as necessary precondition for a vaccination's being

justified, the * " is " *, the fact of there existing something

which causes a disease, for instance a virus.

Since none of the so-called diseasecausing viruses can be, nor

should be, maintained to exist, there can also be no lawful

vaccinations against influenza, and none against bird flu

either.

Every vaccination which has occurred in Germany after the in-

fection protection law became operative on 01.01.2000 is a

crime of serious bodily assault. Of course I am not recommen-

ding people to surrender themselves to become victims of

lawbreakings and crimes.

WHAT IN YOUR OPINION LIES BEHIND ALL THIS which we are now

experiencing here?

About this one can only speculate.

Of course the pharmaceutial industry is happy about the big

business with the bird flu panic. But in fact every individual

lies behind this madness. The situation is what it is. The

situation could only come to this because we as citizens have

tolerated that our state acts in this way against people,

although our state is formally a democratic state built on

law.

Anyone who waits for the pharmaceutical industry to do some-

thing for the good of people concerning this will wait in

vain. " Wer sich jetzt nicht wehrt, der lebt verkehrt " - " You

don't now put up a defence? Your life won't have the right

sense. "

Anyone can ask the Ministry for Consumer Protection, the Mi-

nistry for Public Health etc for that scientific proof which

would justify the bird flu panic.

Anyone who waits for " the others " to do something should not

wonder if those others do nothing and the situation does not

remain what it is but even gets much worse. In the final in-

stance we, the citizens, stand behind this, in that we for

years without doing anything about it have seen the whole

madness around us and have tolerated it. Here we must begin to

take social responsibility, if we do not want to surrender and

sacrifice ourselves to the total domination and chaos of an

uncontrolled pseudoscience.

MUST THEN in your opinion science be combated?

The domination of the pseudoscience must be overcome by means

of a social science which is characterized by its obligation

to truthfulness and by the possibility to check on it and to

control its actions.

The language of the present university medical science reveals

that in it, a democratically-lawfully uncontrolled domination

stands in the foreground, when the school medicine practitio-

ners and the state are referring, as justification for their

actions, to the " dominating opinion in medical science " to

which we supposedly have to submit also if this domination

maintains that the babies are brought by the stork or that the

earth is a flat disk.

We have however no reason to complain.

We it is, is it not, who are tolerating this governmental line

of conduct. Anyway nobody should wonder, if he continues to

tolerate that we must surrender ourselves to this domination,

as we are doing now faced with the absurdity of the bird flu

allegations, if then he wakes up one morning and with horror

finds that he is dead: Killed by that domination which he as

citizen of a democratic state built on law has tolerated.

In a democratic state built on law, the bird flu panic would

be just as impossible as would AIDS and vaccinations. We the

citizens must bring about the state built on law. Then not

only AIDS but also the pseudoscience and the bird flu will

have no chance. I can only say: Don't give the bird flu a

chance! Don't believe the lies you are being told! Check

things out! Use your reason!

For those who want to do something: At www.agenda-leben.de

there are suggestions.

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[The German original: © 2005 FAKTuell ®]

Note: I'm bringing this translation in its present form as

made by me, despite the fact that my knowledge both of biology

and of medicine is very slight and neither English nor German

is a mother tongue of mine, because I hold this interview to

be important. Hoping that I've made no big errors in the

above, I shall submit it to checking-out by some others who,

I believe, will find all such if there are some anyway. All

readers of this too are very welcome to send me their criti-

cisms. If it turns out that major corrections and/or improve-

ments are needed, I shall incorporate them here at my homepage

in a version or in versions later, which will then be dated

too. Here's my e-mail address again. - RM, 22.02.2006

[rolf.martens@...]

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Message posted by:

Rolf Martens

Malmö, Sweden

Phone and fax:

+46 - 40 - 124832;

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