Hot Flashes Reliative to The True Whey?!

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I had my hot flashes, at almost nil (in perimenopause) until I started

THE TRUE WHEY..after a month on TW, hot flashing was happening about 2-

3/hour/day. DOES THIS MEAN I AM LOSING ESTROGEN???

I liked True Whey, except for this experience. I am going to start

Renewpro, tommorrow, and see if the HF start again. Would you lower

your dose to adjust for less symptomalogy? I had increased the dose up

to about 10-20 grams.

Has this happened to anyone, else?

TIA,

Amelia

[Guest guest]

Hi, Amelia.

" lifelonglearner79 " <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> I had my hot flashes, at almost nil (in perimenopause) until I started

> THE TRUE WHEY..after a month on TW, hot flashing was happening about 2-

> 3/hour/day. DOES THIS MEAN I AM LOSING ESTROGEN???

***I see no reason it would cause you to lose estrogen, particularly the good

kind.

The glutathione boost from using this product should knock down the extra

oxidative

intermediates of estrogen metabolism that those with the CYP1B1 SNP common to

many

PWCs would have given this SNP. Your body may be having hot flashes independant

of

this therapy and perhaps this treatment is causing systems that have been

inhibited or

depleted of cysteine to come back on line, a good sign?

>

> I liked True Whey, except for this experience. I am going to start

> Renewpro, tommorrow, and see if the HF start again. Would you lower

> your dose to adjust for less symptomalogy?

***The minimal effective response(MER) is usually preferable when dosing, IMO.

So, using

just the amount needed for the desired effect is a good way to go and

experimenting a bit

at lesser doses shouldn't hurt, you can always go back up in dose if it seems

the lesser

dose is not effective.

I had increased the dose up

> to about 10-20 grams.

***I think the key thing to pay attention is the amount of cysteine per day.

No more than

300mg of cysteine is the way to go as higher amounts have been shown can be

toxic.

RenewPro, which I use no more than one and a quarter scoops per day seems to do

this, I

started out at two scoops per day for a while to get my glutathione ramped up

but the

lesser dose seems to sustain the same benefits.

>

> Has this happened to anyone, else?

***Surprising at it may seem, hot flashes have never been an issue with me

>

> TIA,

> Amelia

***

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I had my hot flashes, at almost nil (in perimenopause) until I

started

> > THE TRUE WHEY..after a month on TW, hot flashing was happening

about 2-

> > 3/hour/day. DOES THIS MEAN I AM LOSING ESTROGEN???

>

>

>

> ***I see no reason it would cause you to lose estrogen,

particularly the good kind.

> The glutathione boost from using this product should knock down the

extra oxidative

> intermediates of estrogen metabolism that those with the CYP1B1 SNP

common to many

> PWCs would have given this SNP. Your body may be having hot

flashes independant of

> this therapy and perhaps this treatment is causing systems that

have been inhibited or

> depleted of cysteine to come back on line, a good sign?

>

>

>

> >

> > I liked True Whey, except for this experience. I am going to

start

> > Renewpro, tommorrow, and see if the HF start again. Would you

lower

> > your dose to adjust for less symptomalogy?

>

>

>

> ***The minimal effective response(MER) is usually preferable when

dosing, IMO. So, using

> just the amount needed for the desired effect is a good way to go

and experimenting a bit

> at lesser doses shouldn't hurt, you can always go back up in dose

if it seems the lesser

> dose is not effective.

>

>

> I had increased the dose up

> > to about 10-20 grams.

>

>

>

> ***I think the key thing to pay attention is the amount of cysteine

per day. No more than

> 300mg of cysteine is the way to go as higher amounts have been

shown can be toxic.

> RenewPro, which I use no more than one and a quarter scoops per day

seems to do this, I

> started out at two scoops per day for a while to get my glutathione

ramped up but the

> lesser dose seems to sustain the same benefits.

>

>

>

> >

> > Has this happened to anyone, else?

>

>

>

> ***Surprising at it may seem, hot flashes have never been an issue

with me

>

>

>

> >

> > TIA,

> > Amelia

>

>

>

> ***

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Amelia.

<lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

> Hello there, ...

>

> Thanks for your response...you have been the inspiration for me to

> retry Whey protein...in the past, I was not on the Non-

> denatured...was going with Undenatured, which Cheney was suggesting,

> at the time, and I did not have any noticeable improvement..

>

> I believe this to be the best way to raise glutathione, so I will

> tweak this until I can tolerate it..but these have been the

> worst/most frequent flashes, I ever experienced..and they stopped,

> completely, right after I stopped the TW for about 4 days, waiting

> for the Renewpro. I had total control over HF with Pregnenolone for

> several years, without the use of any hormonal treatment..

***Interesting, maybe you some of your hormones that require cysteine to work

are

coming back up and throwing things off such that you may not need pregnenolone

any

longer. Tweaking and experimenting with all that you take and do is the way to

figure

this one out, IMO.

>

> In the archives, Marcia reported hot flashes, as well on Message

> #84739, relative to WP, as well as, other forms of glutathione.

> I suppose that she is not here, anymore, is that correct?

***Yes, I recall her wanting to take a break from this list for a while.

She also had a problem with mercury mobilization, which could be problematic if

your

glutathione has not come up sufficiently and, even then, added treatments such

as things

to chelate heavy metals may still be necessary to get rid of them and the active

infections

that use them to thwart our immune system that might otherwise knock them out.

...I tried

> emailing her to see if she found a solution.

>

> I had one remarkable day from the WP.. " feeling like jumping out of

> bed " and I got a lot more accomplished that day. How long does it

> take to start having a lot of good days on Renewpro?

***There is no explicit number of days on this stuff for feeling better and, in

fact, you can

have many things improve in your body(ie, diabetes insipidus, hypothyroidism,

exercise

tolerance, etc) and not FEEL much better though you are improving your health

like me

because of nondenatured whey use. It took me at least four months to start

noticing these

objective improvement and an entire year of using the product before I no longer

needed

to take thyroid meds, but indeed this improvement did happen ultimately and has

stuck.

>

> Thanks for your learned responses.

> Amelia

***

[Guest guest]

I have had this experience everytime I have taken whey products. I never

thought of them as hot flashes but I would get very hot and sweaty and

would feel very sick.

Gail

davidhall2020 wrote:

>

> Hi, Amelia.

>

> " lifelonglearner79 " <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I had my hot flashes, at almost nil (in perimenopause) until I started

> > THE TRUE WHEY..after a month on TW, hot flashing was happening about 2-

> > 3/hour/day. DOES THIS MEAN I AM LOSING ESTROGEN???

>

> ***I see no reason it would cause you to lose estrogen, particularly

> the good kind.

> The glutathione boost from using this product should knock down the

> extra oxidative

> intermediates of estrogen metabolism that those with the CYP1B1 SNP

> common to many

> PWCs would have given this SNP. Your body may be having hot flashes

> independant of

> this therapy and perhaps this treatment is causing systems that have

> been inhibited or

> depleted of cysteine to come back on line, a good sign?

>

> >

> > I liked True Whey, except for this experience. I am going to start

> > Renewpro, tommorrow, and see if the HF start again. Would you lower

> > your dose to adjust for less symptomalogy?

>

> ***The minimal effective response(MER) is usually preferable when

> dosing, IMO. So, using

> just the amount needed for the desired effect is a good way to go and

> experimenting a bit

> at lesser doses shouldn't hurt, you can always go back up in dose if

> it seems the lesser

> dose is not effective.

>

> I had increased the dose up

> > to about 10-20 grams.

>

> ***I think the key thing to pay attention is the amount of cysteine

> per day. No more than

> 300mg of cysteine is the way to go as higher amounts have been shown

> can be toxic.

> RenewPro, which I use no more than one and a quarter scoops per day

> seems to do this, I

> started out at two scoops per day for a while to get my glutathione

> ramped up but the

> lesser dose seems to sustain the same benefits.

>

> >

> > Has this happened to anyone, else?

>

> ***Surprising at it may seem, hot flashes have never been an issue

> with me

>

> >

> > TIA,

> > Amelia

>

> ***

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > I had my hot flashes, at almost nil (in perimenopause) until I

started

> > > THE TRUE WHEY..after a month on TW, hot flashing was happening

about 2-

> > > 3/hour/day. DOES THIS MEAN I AM LOSING ESTROGEN???

> >

> > ***I see no reason it would cause you to lose estrogen,

particularly

> > the good kind.

> > The glutathione boost from using this product should knock down

the

> > extra oxidative

> > intermediates of estrogen metabolism that those with the CYP1B1

SNP

> > common to many

> > PWCs would have given this SNP. Your body may be having hot

flashes

> > independant of

> > this therapy and perhaps this treatment is causing systems that

have

> > been inhibited or

> > depleted of cysteine to come back on line, a good sign?

> >

> > >

> > > I liked True Whey, except for this experience. I am going to

start

> > > Renewpro, tommorrow, and see if the HF start again. Would you

lower

> > > your dose to adjust for less symptomalogy?

> >

> > ***The minimal effective response(MER) is usually preferable when

> > dosing, IMO. So, using

> > just the amount needed for the desired effect is a good way to go

and

> > experimenting a bit

> > at lesser doses shouldn't hurt, you can always go back up in dose

if

> > it seems the lesser

> > dose is not effective.

> >

> > I had increased the dose up

> > > to about 10-20 grams.

> >

> > ***I think the key thing to pay attention is the amount of

cysteine

> > per day. No more than

> > 300mg of cysteine is the way to go as higher amounts have been

shown

> > can be toxic.

> > RenewPro, which I use no more than one and a quarter scoops per

day

> > seems to do this, I

> > started out at two scoops per day for a while to get my

glutathione

> > ramped up but the

> > lesser dose seems to sustain the same benefits.

> >

> > >

> > > Has this happened to anyone, else?

> >

> > ***Surprising at it may seem, hot flashes have never been an

issue

> > with me

> >

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > > Amelia

> >

> > ***

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > Hello there, ...

> >

> > Thanks for your response...you have been the inspiration for me

to

> > retry Whey protein...in the past, I was not on the Non-

> > denatured...was going with Undenatured, which Cheney was

suggesting,

> > at the time, and I did not have any noticeable improvement..

> >

> > I believe this to be the best way to raise glutathione, so I will

> > tweak this until I can tolerate it..but these have been the

> > worst/most frequent flashes, I ever experienced..and they

stopped,

> > completely, right after I stopped the TW for about 4 days,

waiting

> > for the Renewpro. I had total control over HF with Pregnenolone

for

> > several years, without the use of any hormonal treatment..

>

>

>

> ***Interesting, maybe you some of your hormones that require

cysteine to work are

> coming back up and throwing things off such that you may not need

pregnenolone any

> longer. Tweaking and experimenting with all that you take and do

is the way to figure

> this one out, IMO.

>

>

> >

> > In the archives, Marcia reported hot flashes, as well on Message

> > #84739, relative to WP, as well as, other forms of glutathione.

> > I suppose that she is not here, anymore, is that correct?

>

>

>

> ***Yes, I recall her wanting to take a break from this list for a

while.

> She also had a problem with mercury mobilization, which could be

problematic if your

> glutathione has not come up sufficiently and, even then, added

treatments such as things

> to chelate heavy metals may still be necessary to get rid of them

and the active infections

> that use them to thwart our immune system that might otherwise

knock them out.

>

>

>

> ..I tried

> > emailing her to see if she found a solution.

> >

> > I had one remarkable day from the WP.. " feeling like jumping out

of

> > bed " and I got a lot more accomplished that day. How long does

it

> > take to start having a lot of good days on Renewpro?

>

>

>

> ***There is no explicit number of days on this stuff for feeling

better and, in fact, you can

> have many things improve in your body(ie, diabetes insipidus,

hypothyroidism, exercise

> tolerance, etc) and not FEEL much better though you are improving

your health like me

> because of nondenatured whey use. It took me at least four months

to start noticing these

> objective improvement and an entire year of using the product

before I no longer needed

> to take thyroid meds, but indeed this improvement did happen

ultimately and has stuck.

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for your learned responses.

> > Amelia

>

>

>

> ***

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Amelia.

" lifelonglearner79 " <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> Have you had testing?

***No.

I had the Clifford Materials

> Reactivity Test about two years ago..which indicates that I have a

> lot of allergies to different metals, especially mercury and nickel.

***I'm not surprised.

>

> I have had a lot of dental problems/root canals throughout my

> life...so I am going to explore that area.

***Urinary Toxic Metals(UTM) testing(ie, Doctor's Data Testing or

testing4health.org

equivilant) while on a treatment thought to chelate metals seems the way to go

to

determine if there is a problem. And you may need to test with a UTM challenge

over

several months to spot s trend in which metals are coming out, continuing

treatment if so

(no single test at any single time can determine toxic metal level retention in

our organs).

>

> .Did removing amalgams and detoxing help you a great deal?

***No, removing amalgams only removed a source and cause no improvements. I

suspect

the mercury from tuna, metal from other sources as well as amalgams from dental

work

and mom's almalgams at fetal stage had already loaded me up, but detoxing

through

RenewPro use and oral DMPS chelation has make the most difference thus far as

I've

mentioned here before.

Did you

> use Cutler's book?

***No. I started off by listening to a few ACAM DVDs with Dr Quigg and Walter

Crinnion,

ND speaking at a heavy metals seminar in 2004.

>

> Amelia

[Guest guest]

HI ,

Since I am CBS upregulated I cannot do the DMPS, etc. My doc and I have been

discussing EDTA to get some of the metals out. My glutationie is just under the

low mark, do you think I can get away with this?? Do you think it would help

without making me sicker??

Thanks for your imput,

Janet

davidhall2020 <david-hall@...> wrote:

Hi, Amelia.

" lifelonglearner79 " <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> Have you had testing?

***No.

I had the Clifford Materials

> Reactivity Test about two years ago..which indicates that I have a

> lot of allergies to different metals, especially mercury and nickel.

***I'm not surprised.

>

> I have had a lot of dental problems/root canals throughout my

> life...so I am going to explore that area.

***Urinary Toxic Metals(UTM) testing(ie, Doctor's Data Testing or

testing4health.org

equivilant) while on a treatment thought to chelate metals seems the way to go

to

determine if there is a problem. And you may need to test with a UTM challenge

over

several months to spot s trend in which metals are coming out, continuing

treatment if so

(no single test at any single time can determine toxic metal level retention in

our organs).

>

> .Did removing amalgams and detoxing help you a great deal?

***No, removing amalgams only removed a source and cause no improvements. I

suspect

the mercury from tuna, metal from other sources as well as amalgams from dental

work

and mom's almalgams at fetal stage had already loaded me up, but detoxing

through

RenewPro use and oral DMPS chelation has make the most difference thus far as

I've

mentioned here before.

Did you

> use Cutler's book?

***No. I started off by listening to a few ACAM DVDs with Dr Quigg and Walter

Crinnion,

ND speaking at a heavy metals seminar in 2004.

>

> Amelia