Re: arrythmia/exercise

[Guest guest]

arrythmia/exercise

Tony,

My heart registered markedly slower while I was still on the cross

country machine; at that point I got off it and was feeling out of

breath and disoriented.

Do you or does anyone else know about what can be done to counteract

arrythmias? Is there any supplement and/or exercise that will help

strengthen the heaert/improve oxygen levels to the blood?

I will be certain to ask my doc when I see him but now I'm looking for

naturopathic remedies and simple exercises to help.

Thanks, Tony! I will try to break up my exercise into smaller

increments. If anyone has success with reducing arrythmias, please let

me know.

Nik,

I started a beta blocker, Inderal many years ago. It minimizes arrythmias.

Some people claim that magnesium helps with arrhythmias. It irritates my stomach

so I rarely use it. Coenzyme Q is supposed to help with heart problems.

[Guest guest]

>

> Tony,

Nik,

I exercise on a treadmill and do Pilates. I have had CFS for 12 years

and have had a major relapse but I wanted to tell you about my

experience with exercise. I was able to loose 65 pounds 3 years ago

and did daily exercise. I bought a treadmill and quickly learned that

the heart monitor on the machine was terribly flawed. I got a decent

heart rate monitor that I strap on my body and can monitor from a

watch type devise on my wrist. It is much, much more accurate.

Please don't trust that monitor on your machine.

As far at the arrythmias...well, I have had them for a long, long

time. Mine are premature ventricular contractions and deemed

" harmless " . Worries me that my heart can have a wacky beat but the

medical community can say they are " harmless " . My blood isn't pumping

properly but they are " harmless " ??? Anyway, I am now using

Baschetti's Licoric Root Extract for those heart issues as well as my

low blood pressure. It has helped my heart irregularities by about

50%. I am able to do about 20 minutes on the treadmill now. I was up

to about 40 minutes before my relapse but I hope to work back up.

Hope that helps some.

a in North Idaho

>

> My heart registered markedly slower while I was still on the cross

> country machine; at that point I got off it and was feeling out of

> breath and disoriented.

>

> Do you or does anyone else know about what can be done to counteract

> arrythmias? Is there any supplement and/or exercise that will help

> strengthen the heaert/improve oxygen levels to the blood?

>

> I will be certain to ask my doc when I see him but now I'm looking for

> naturopathic remedies and simple exercises to help.

>

> Thanks, Tony! I will try to break up my exercise into smaller

> increments. If anyone has success with reducing arrythmias, please let

> me know.

>

> Nik

> > Nik,

> > Just when did your heart start to beat slower? A lower reading

> could be due to a cardiac arrthymia if the change is in the middle of

> exercise. If the lower reading is after you quit exercising, the

> change is normal. 15 minutes is a lot of exercise to start with. I

> started with 5 minutes of walking and am now up to 18 minutes.

> > Tony

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

St 's Regional Health Center

235 West Sixth st.

Reno NV

To the Attn. Hospital Administrative Director.

Thursday, Jul 3 1997 I presented to the St. s Emergency Medical

Center with chest pain, difficulty breathing and intense heart

palpitations resulting from a known and deliberately controlled

exposure to a fungal species later identified as Stachybotrys.

My intent was to determine if these manifestations of mold exposure

could be measured and assessed by the diagnostic tools of your

clinic.

I had timed similar episodes of mold reactivity and informed the

staff of my intentions to correlate cardiological symptoms with the

decreased effects which usually occured around four hours after the

exposure.

The palpitations were clearly audible to the technician installing

the instruments and I predicted that these would abate at some point

within four hours and asked that any change be noted when the

audible nature of the palpitations ceased.

When the palpitations finally stopped, I asked if there had been any

change and the technician replied that there had indeed been a

measurable increase in blood pressure but that it was

not " clinically significant. "

Despite the ambivalent clinical nature of this fluctuation, I stated

that it was of extreme importance to me because it signaled the end

of a discomfitting reaction to mold.

The blank stare and unresponsiveness of the technician suggested

that my words held little import.

The cardiologist on call, Dr. Cole, brought my discharge papers and

stated that there was nothing wrong with my heart.

Despite my assertions of mold reactivity, a diagnosis was made of:

" ACUTE HEART PALPITATIONS

This is usually due to premature beats of the heart, that are called

extrasystoles. The sensation of your heart skipping a beat is often

a very frightening symptom. Most people (with normal beats) have

these at times, and they are often not felt at all. In the absence

of heart disease, palpitations are not a dangerous problem, but

rather an annoyance.

Extrasystoles are often brought on by heart stimulants. These

include caffeine, nicotine, OTC diet pills, decongestants, and

illegal " uppers " .

" Stress and fatigue are prominent factors also. "

I informed Dr Cole that I was under the influence of none of these

factors and that my palpitations were induced by a reactivity to

mold which I had specifically correlated and timed.

Dr Cole was doubtful of this explanation and explained that if I had

ruled out the other factors on this list, that hyperventilation due

to stress was most likely the cause of my palpitations.

I used the evidence of my controlled experimental exposure to mold

to dissuade him of this notion but his refined concept was that I

had developed an unfounded hysterical fear of mold that increased my

stress level up to the point of palpitations and that even the

timing I had measured was a projected mental construct that restored

normal function after my invented time period had passed.

Dr Cole's final diagnosis was that my mental state concerning mold

was responsible for my symptoms and informed me that he " knew some

very talented counselors " .

I proposed that mental health counseling was unlikely to make a

significant difference in my physioloigical response, but Dr Cole

remained convinced that soliciting the services of a mental health

professional was the best course of action dictated by the

circumstances.

The growing public awareness of the neurotoxic effects of

Stachybortrys Chartarum casts this incident in a new light and

raises concerns about the intransigence of Dr Cole to accept an

explanation that could be easily tested and verified.

In this case, I agree with Dr Cole that the services of a mental

health professional are required, and I sincerely hope that Dr Cole

receives appropriate counseling and therapy before his mental

predisposition to dismiss unfamiliar symptoms as psychological

illness results in misdiagnosis and mistreatment of other patients

suffering from biotoxin associated illnesses.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

-

[Guest guest]

Although courageous on your part, , not very smart. Reminds me

of the former list member who took large doses of hydrocortisone and

ended up in the ER w/ a serious infection from immune supression.

Unless one is recovering, I think the advice from Lerner/Cheney is

worth heeding. Exercise, outside of your limits, can make you

worse if in fact all organ systems are affected by CFS, not the

least of which is very important, the HEART.

The graded exercise recommendation from the CDC which most non-CFS

knowledgable docs espouse, is simply the wrong thing.

Mike C

>

> St 's Regional Health Center

> 235 West Sixth st.

> Reno NV

>

> To the Attn. Hospital Administrative Director.

>

> Thursday, Jul 3 1997 I presented to the St. s Emergency Medical

> Center with chest pain, difficulty breathing and intense heart

> palpitations resulting from a known and deliberately controlled

> exposure to a fungal species later identified as Stachybotrys.

>

> My intent was to determine if these manifestations of mold exposure

> could be measured and assessed by the diagnostic tools of your

> clinic.<<snip>>

[Guest guest]

I found, after many years of heart " thuds " and arrythmias, that magnesium helped

tremendously.

Magnesium was prescribed by a doctor, over two years ago - specifically, he had

me take Vital Nutrients Brand of Magnesium (glycinate) 120mg each and I take two

in the morning and two in the evening. The benefits were amazing, along with

reducing muscle cramping, constipation and a feeling of calm. Didn't realize

the calming effects for a while and wondered why I was feeling extremely

" calm " .......yep, magnesium.

There is a book - " The Magnesium Factor " which was recommended by yet another

doctor, who totally agreed that most of us need magnesium as we are depleted.

This was after a cardiologist laughed at me when I told him that magnesium

helped.................the other two docs suggested I buy the book and deliver

it to him! (I won't quote where they suggested I deliver it).

I am unable to take beta blockers because of extremely low blood pressure.

I wish I would have known about this years ago - it would have prevented a lot

of stress and suffering.

I take the magnesium on an empty stomach - I've never had a problem with it. I

believe that's because it's " glycinate " - not sure, but no stomach problems as

I've experienced with most other supplements.

I hope this helps someone and wish I had been told a long time ago.

[Guest guest]

I recently had a test done through MetaMetrix for metals and minerals. The only

mineral I supplement is Mg. More than the recommended daily dose. Guess what.

The only one I was deficient in. Go figure. The lyme from what I hear eats it

for lunch.

Re: arrythmia/exercise

I found, after many years of heart " thuds " and arrythmias, that magnesium

helped tremendously.

Magnesium was prescribed by a doctor, over two years ago - specifically, he

had me take Vital Nutrients Brand of Magnesium (glycinate) 120mg each and I take

two in the morning and two in the evening. The benefits were amazing, along with

reducing muscle cramping, constipation and a feeling of calm. Didn't realize the

calming effects for a while and wondered why I was feeling extremely

" calm " .......yep, magnesium.

There is a book - " The Magnesium Factor " which was recommended by yet another

doctor, who totally agreed that most of us need magnesium as we are depleted.

This was after a cardiologist laughed at me when I told him that magnesium

helped.................the other two docs suggested I buy the book and deliver

it to him! (I won't quote where they suggested I deliver it).

I am unable to take beta blockers because of extremely low blood pressure.

I wish I would have known about this years ago - it would have prevented a lot

of stress and suffering.

I take the magnesium on an empty stomach - I've never had a problem with it. I

believe that's because it's " glycinate " - not sure, but no stomach problems as

I've experienced with most other supplements.

I hope this helps someone and wish I had been told a long time ago.

[Guest guest]

Oddly I stopped taking daily magnesium and my heart palpitations have decreased.

Somebody here mentoned that taking magnesium can cause palpitations(can't recall

the reason).

I have mitral valve prolapse.

I was taking magnesuim for years and my palpitations were severe.

I won't take it now as the palpitations are better without it.

Just my experience.

Re: arrythmia/exercise

I found, after many years of heart " thuds " and arrythmias, that magnesium

helped tremendously.

Magnesium was prescribed by a doctor, over two years ago - specifically, he

had me take Vital Nutrients Brand of Magnesium (glycinate) 120mg each and I take

two in the morning and two in the evening. The benefits were amazing, along with

reducing muscle cramping, constipation and a feeling of calm. Didn't realize the

calming effects for a while and wondered why I was feeling extremely

" calm " .......yep, magnesium.

There is a book - " The Magnesium Factor " which was recommended by yet another

doctor, who totally agreed that most of us need magnesium as we are depleted.

This was after a cardiologist laughed at me when I told him that magnesium

helped.................the other two docs suggested I buy the book and deliver

it to him! (I won't quote where they suggested I deliver it).

I am unable to take beta blockers because of extremely low blood pressure.

I wish I would have known about this years ago - it would have prevented a lot

of stress and suffering.

I take the magnesium on an empty stomach - I've never had a problem with it. I

believe that's because it's " glycinate " - not sure, but no stomach problems as

I've experienced with most other supplements.

I hope this helps someone and wish I had been told a long time ago.

[Guest guest]

" yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...> wrote:

> Although courageous on your part, , not very smart. Reminds me

> of the former list member who took large doses of hydrocortisone

and ended up in the ER w/ a serious infection from immune supression.

>

> Unless one is recovering, I think the advice from Lerner/Cheney is

> worth heeding. Exercise, outside of your limits, can make you

> worse if in fact all organ systems are affected by CFS, not the

> least of which is very important, the HEART.

>

> The graded exercise recommendation from the CDC which most non-CFS

> knowledgable docs espouse, is simply the wrong thing.

>

> Mike C

I disagree.

Best thing I ever did.

As told in Mold Warriors, I walked out of the ampligen program and

recovered to the point of mountain climbing.

Done Mt Whitney eight times since then, and haven't had a headache

that I can't totally erase by mycotoxin avoidance.

Thought it was a worthy clue.

But so far, few other than Dr. Shoemaker seem to think so.

-

[Guest guest]

I've been using Milk of Magnesia, MoM, as my source of Mg for over five

years. I take small doses several times a day to avoid loose stools, Nearly

miracle stuff for me. Not very expensive. I find that the liquid forms of Mg

are more effective than caps or tabs.

Two rheumatologists and my cardiologist prescribed Mg for me since 1997.

Cardiologist also said B vitamins, l-Taurine, Hawthorne berry tea and Motherwort

tincture to support heart function.

Carolyn Dean also has a book on Mg.

The most reliable test is the _www.exatest.com_ (http://www.exatest.com)

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " lindab016@... " _lindab016@... _

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_

(lindab016)

Sun Dec 3, 2006 2:07 pm (PST)

I found, after many years of heart " thuds " and arrythmias, that magnesium

helped tremendously.

Magnesium was prescribed by a doctor, over two years ago - specifically, he

had me take Vital Nutrients Brand of Magnesium (glycinate) 120mg each and I

take two in the morning and two in the evening. The benefits were amazing,

along with reducing muscle cramping, constipation and a feeling of calm. Didn't

realize the calming effects for a while and wondered why I was feeling

extremely " calm " ......Magnesium was pres

There is a book - " The Magnesium Factor " which was recommended by yet

another doctor, who totally agreed that most of us need magnesium as we are

depleted. This was after a cardiologist laughed at me when I told him that

magnesium

helped......There is There is a book - " The Magnesium Factor " which was

recommended by yet another doctor, who totally agreed that most of us n

I am unable to take beta blockers because of extremely low blood pressure.

I wish I would have known about this years ago - it would have prevented a

lot of stress and suffering.

I take the magnesium on an empty stomach - I've never had a problem with it.

I believe that's because it's " glycinate " - not sure, but no stomach

problems as I've experienced with most other supplements.

I hope this helps someone and wish I had been told a long time ago.

[Guest guest]

Stress, pain and seizures also eat Mg+B6 for lunch, Edy.

When my late son would seize, as soon as he could swallow, he would get

Mg+B6. Made a huge difference in recovery.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " Edy Rayfield " _edyrayfield@... _

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_edithio2005 _

(edithio2005)

Sun Dec 3, 2006 2:44 pm (PST)

I recently had a test done through MetaMetrix for metals and minerals. The

only mineral I supplement is Mg. More than the recommended daily dose. Guess

what. The only one I was deficient in. Go figure. The lyme from what I hear

eats it for lunch.

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