Re: Effective Exercise? Weights didn't feel so good...

[Guest guest]

9 sets of 3 different exercises with 5 pound weights is *aerobic*.

Riesistnace training (heaveir weights, fewer reps) is anaerobic.

On 9/10/06, stevenhorr <sonofdelbert@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I did a little test this week. I read somewhere that

> anaerobic exercise was generally tolerated better than aerobic. I

> tried yoga, running and hiking a few times this year with

> devastating results, so decided to try some ultralight weight-

> lifting... I'm talking arm curls with five pound weights and that

> kind of thing. I did a total of about 9 sets of 3 different

> exercises, and felt like crap for a day and 1/2.

[Guest guest]

Steve,

You might want to try sticking to walking and bring it up a notch to

a " power walk " to see how you feel the next day.

I'm able to run once a week but only with enough rest before and

after. I don't go over 20 minutes of running and then I cool down

with 20-30 minutes of walking depending on how I feel.

Also look into Alpha-Ketoglutaric Acid before and after exercise to see

if that makes a difference in your post brain fog.

Cheli

[Guest guest]

" bob niederman " wrote:

>

> 9 sets of 3 different exercises with 5 pound weights is *aerobic*.

> Riesistnace training (heaveir weights, fewer reps) is anaerobic.

>

As Dr Myhill describes, when you have a mitochondrial defect in which

ATP usage outstrips production, even the act of BREATHING can be

anaerobic exercise.

Given the variable nature of this illness, the only way to judge your

capacity is by " where you are right now " , and not against where your

ATP usage might have been yesterday.

That's why the whole idea of graded exercise is based on a flawed

premise.

-

[Guest guest]

It's not only the form that has mattered to me but my method. And how I conceive

of exercise. Exercise-with-CFS is a different thing than just exercise. First

of all, my definition; exercise is deliberately doing more movement than I

customarily do, and the movement is for its own sake, or rather, for the sake of

my body,not for some other purpose. That is a very broad definition.

How much exercise to do must be pondered before starting. The answer is just as

much as I am able to do, without severe consequences. If I do as much exercise

as I am able, I am ahead of doing no exercise. I only exert myself a little. I

could exert much more, but that would make me sick. As long as I am exerting a

small amount I am ahead.

For me, " able to, " meant leaving out anything that required laying down, which

made me sick, (because of blood pressure problems, I guess), and figuring out

things I could do standing or sitting that would give nearly the same benefit. I

didn't bother to experiment with anything aerobic.

I have been exercising for a couple of months now,2x/wk for only 1/2 hr. (I am

old, and have been sick for decades. I started now because I finally qualified

for having a physical therapist come to my home.)

I do a combination of stretching and stregth building, including small weights.

I think stretching is essential and needs to be done before strengthening each

session.

I am extremely pleased to learn that such minimal efforts result in such great

gains. It is not fast, but it is definitely happening and it is definitely worth

it. It used to wipe me out for hours afterwards, but I have also been learning

to take the right supplements, my mid-afternoon ones, before a session. It is

(was) getting better and better. After a recent session, all feeling of illness

fell away for awhile. Right now my therapist is out of action herself with an

injury and I can really feel how I am losing ground, but I can start over

Hope this helps.

Adrienne

Effective Exercise? Weights didn't feel so

good...

Hi everyone,

1st: thanks for info and advice regarding smoking and exercise,

everyone. I did a little test this week. I read somewhere that

anaerobic exercise was generally tolerated better than aerobic. I

tried yoga, running and hiking a few times this year with

devastating results, so decided to try some ultralight weight-

lifting... I'm talking arm curls with five pound weights and that

kind of thing. I did a total of about 9 sets of 3 different

exercises, and felt like crap for a day and 1/2. Out of frustration,

I tried smoking cigarettes for a few days prior and following the

same workout to see if it would take care of my post-exertional

brain-fog. It didn't work, and indeed made me feel even worse.

Now I know that exercise is not tolerated well by many of us, but

has anybody found a form of exercise that is less likely to cause a

crash, or one that has just generally helped? Also, I've come

across " hydrotherapy " a few times in regards to cfs treatment. Is

this like aqua-fitness, or is it more about hot/cold baths?

(On a high note, I have been taking Immunopro for about 10 days now

with no ill effects, so I plan on gradually ramping the quantity

up).

Thanks in advance,

Steve

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that, Cheli. I do kind of power walk to and from work most

days, a total of about 45 minutes a day. Last time a ran for ten

minutes had catastrophic results. Do you happen to know an online

provider of alpha-ketoglutaric acid ?

Peace,

Steve

>

> Steve,

>

> You might want to try sticking to walking and bring it up a notch to

> a " power walk " to see how you feel the next day.

> I'm able to run once a week but only with enough rest before and

> after. I don't go over 20 minutes of running and then I cool down

> with 20-30 minutes of walking depending on how I feel.

>

> Also look into Alpha-Ketoglutaric Acid before and after exercise to

see

> if that makes a difference in your post brain fog.

>

> Cheli

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Adrienne.

That's great that you have found a means to exercise and feel

better. Perhaps I'll experiment with some stretching and even

lighter weights (2.5 lbs?!). For now, I might just have to stick to

walking to and from school (I teach). Thanks for the reply.

Keep it up!

Steve

>

> It's not only the form that has mattered to me but my method. And

how I conceive of exercise. Exercise-with-CFS is a different thing

than just exercise. First of all, my definition; exercise is

deliberately doing more movement than I customarily do, and the

movement is for its own sake, or rather, for the sake of my body,not

for some other purpose. That is a very broad definition.

>

> How much exercise to do must be pondered before starting. The

answer is just as much as I am able to do, without severe

consequences. If I do as much exercise as I am able, I am ahead of

doing no exercise. I only exert myself a little. I could exert much

more, but that would make me sick. As long as I am exerting a small

amount I am ahead.

> For me, " able to, " meant leaving out anything that required

laying down, which made me sick, (because of blood pressure

problems, I guess), and figuring out things I could do standing or

sitting that would give nearly the same benefit. I didn't bother to

experiment with anything aerobic.

>

> I have been exercising for a couple of months now,2x/wk for only

1/2 hr. (I am old, and have been sick for decades. I started now

because I finally qualified for having a physical therapist come to

my home.)

> I do a combination of stretching and stregth building, including

small weights.

> I think stretching is essential and needs to be done before

strengthening each session.

> I am extremely pleased to learn that such minimal efforts result

in such great gains. It is not fast, but it is definitely happening

and it is definitely worth it. It used to wipe me out for hours

afterwards, but I have also been learning to take the right

supplements, my mid-afternoon ones, before a session. It is (was)

getting better and better. After a recent session, all feeling of

illness fell away for awhile. Right now my therapist is out of

action herself with an injury and I can really feel how I am losing

ground, but I can start over

> Hope this helps.

> Adrienne

[Guest guest]

See, I cannot walk much at this altitude. That is way too aerobic for me.

Stength and stretching very carefully do it for me.

I neglected to say; I work out VERY carefully, not to injure my joints,esp

ankle, but even more, to see what my body is craving and when it has had enough

of any particular move. I do quite a few moves in each session.

But then, I am way too sick to be employed much less as a teacher, so.... MAybe

my point is that no matter how far down you have gone it is possible to benefit

from doing that little bit more than usual.

A

Re: Effective Exercise? Weights didn't feel so

good...

Thanks, Adrienne.

That's great that you have found a means to exercise and feel

better. Perhaps I'll experiment with some stretching and even

lighter weights (2.5 lbs?!). For now, I might just have to stick to

walking to and from school (I teach). Thanks for the reply.

Keep it up!

Steve

>

> It's not only the form that has mattered to me but my method. And

how I conceive of exercise. Exercise-with-CFS is a different thing

than just exercise. First of all, my definition; exercise is

deliberately doing more movement than I customarily do, and the

movement is for its own sake, or rather, for the sake of my body,not

for some other purpose. That is a very broad definition.

>

> How much exercise to do must be pondered before starting. The

answer is just as much as I am able to do, without severe

consequences. If I do as much exercise as I am able, I am ahead of

doing no exercise. I only exert myself a little. I could exert much

more, but that would make me sick. As long as I am exerting a small

amount I am ahead.

> For me, " able to, " meant leaving out anything that required

laying down, which made me sick, (because of blood pressure

problems, I guess), and figuring out things I could do standing or

sitting that would give nearly the same benefit. I didn't bother to

experiment with anything aerobic.

>

> I have been exercising for a couple of months now,2x/wk for only

1/2 hr. (I am old, and have been sick for decades. I started now

because I finally qualified for having a physical therapist come to

my home.)

> I do a combination of stretching and stregth building, including

small weights.

> I think stretching is essential and needs to be done before

strengthening each session.

> I am extremely pleased to learn that such minimal efforts result

in such great gains. It is not fast, but it is definitely happening

and it is definitely worth it. It used to wipe me out for hours

afterwards, but I have also been learning to take the right

supplements, my mid-afternoon ones, before a session. It is (was)

getting better and better. After a recent session, all feeling of

illness fell away for awhile. Right now my therapist is out of

action herself with an injury and I can really feel how I am losing

ground, but I can start over

> Hope this helps.

> Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Do you happen to know an online

> provider of alpha-ketoglutaric acid ?

>

> Peace,

> Steve

Kirkman's Lab sells it and they have formulated it so that it doesn't

bother your gut.

Cheli

[Guest guest]

I go to the swimming pool (abt 29 º celsius) 3 times a week. Last year

I could only dom some little exercices abt 10 minutes and now I can do

light work during 30 - 40 minutes.

I think everybody has to search his/her own type of " work "

(Spain-Europe)

[Guest guest]

Are you bothered by the pool chemicals at all?

Lynn

>

> I go to the swimming pool (abt 29 º celsius) 3 times a week. Last

year