Re: Cleaning Mold in Bathroom was: CF - a precurser to CFS?

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Tea tree oil.

Before starting on this project, I would allow Tea tree oil to evaporate in

this room and few days and then use it in the actual cleaning solution.

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Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:36 am (PST)

What are the alternatives to bleach?

My husband has severe MCS, and we can't use bleach-

thanks

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What are the alternatives to bleach?

My husband has severe MCS, and we can't use bleach-

thanks

On 7/14/06, bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote:

>

> Current wisdom seems to be:

>

> - Wear a mask of N95 rating, gloves and eye googles.

>

> - Spray the area lightly with water to keep the spores less airborne.

>

> - ensure that there are fans in window(s) of the room pulling air from the

> room to the outside. (Putting fans in windows in other rooms of the house

> pulling air in enhances this effect (as long they are far enough away from

> the windows of the room in question.)

>

> - scrub wth soap and water.

>

> - disinfect porous areas with beach diluted 10:1 with water.

>

> I'm considering tearing off the wallpaper and/or applying some sort of

> plastic spray/liquid over the whole thing.

>

> Oh and the really fun part: inspectging whiole rest of house for mold

> issues (I just moved in in November).

>

> On 7/14/06, Adrienne G. <duckblossm@... <duckblossm%40comcast.net>>

> wrote:

> >

> > You can supervise whomever you hire! I was just reading it could be

> > BEHIND the wallpaper. And if you strip off the paper, which you probably

> > should do, if it IS back there, spores will be released into the air.

> Ponder

> > this a bit.

> >

> > Adrienne

> > Re: Re: CF - a precurser to CFS?

> >

> > Kendra,

> >

> > Thanks for your response.

> >

> > Comments below

> >

> > On 7/13/06, Kendra <KCuyler@...

<KCuyler%40gmail.com><KCuyler%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bob

> > >

> > > How much mold is there? Are you talking about mold in the grout

> > > between ceramic tiles? Or mold actually growing on the painted? wall

> > > adjacent to the shower/bathtub?

> >

> > I feel like such a moron.

> >

> > It's actually growing in spots, some 1/2 " most much smaller, on the

> > wallpaper adjacent to the ceiling around much of the perihery of the

> > bathroom, in a band about 1 " high, except at one end where the spots

> > are in an area more like 2 - 3 " . And the ceiling, painted plaster

> > adjacent to the walls in the same areas has a very narrow band. I

> > don;t see than any of it looks moist. It's only at the top of the

> > room. The room has an exhaust fan, but stupid me never left the solid

> > door open so that it could do anything, so the mirrors were always

> > covered with vapor when I got out of the shower - clearly a lot of

> > moisture got trapped in the borners formed by the walls and ceilings.

> >

> > The showers stall itself is fiberglass. The rest of the ceiling and

> > wals are unaffected.

> >

> > > A product like Clorox Clean-up that contains bleach should be

> > > effective. Are you sensitive to chemicals yet? If so, wear rubber

> > > gloves and try to avoid breathing the fumes - or - open a window and

> > > have a fan running to draw the fumes out of the bathroom.

> >

> > I may have started having MCS - I had some new furniture delivered in

> > Feb, treated with something called Stainsafe - and it had a smell that

> > bothered hell out of me and maybe gave me headaches. My brother could

> > smell nothing. (That seems t be gone now.)

> >

> > In any event, if I have a fan blowig out the window in the bthrrom and

> > other fans blowing in the windows from other rooms I think I'll be OK.

> > I will use the gloves and probably get a mask of some sort, as

> > advised by some websites to prevent inhalation of spores stirred up in

> > the porcess.

> >

> > > Can you hire a cleaning lady for a 1 time visit - probably cost

> > > $50-$100 for the whole house, depending on how much needs to be done.

> >

> > I don't know - I think I'm gonna want this done a specific way.

> > Although I am tempted....

> >

> > - Bob,

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

The " less chemical " alternative I've heard mentioned (possibly/probably

here) was hydorogen preoxide, but I don;t know if that is as good.

- Bob Niiederman

On 7/14/06, Blue Christensen <sbluechristensen@...> wrote:

>

> What are the alternatives to bleach?

> My husband has severe MCS, and we can't use bleach-

>

> thanks

>

>

> On 7/14/06, bob niederman <bobn1955@... <bobn1955%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Current wisdom seems to be:

> >

> > - Wear a mask of N95 rating, gloves and eye googles.

> >

> > - Spray the area lightly with water to keep the spores less airborne.

> >

> > - ensure that there are fans in window(s) of the room pulling air from

> the

> > room to the outside. (Putting fans in windows in other rooms of the

> house

> > pulling air in enhances this effect (as long they are far enough away

> from

> > the windows of the room in question.)

> >

> > - scrub wth soap and water.

> >

> > - disinfect porous areas with beach diluted 10:1 with water.

> >

> > I'm considering tearing off the wallpaper and/or applying some sort of

> > plastic spray/liquid over the whole thing.

> >

> > Oh and the really fun part: inspectging whiole rest of house for mold

> > issues (I just moved in in November).

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Make that " hydrogen peroxide " . Damn keyboard

On 7/14/06, bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote:

> The " less chemical " alternative I've heard mentioned (possibly/probably

> here) was hydorogen preoxide, but I don;t know if that is as good.

>

> - Bob Niiederman

>

>

>

> On 7/14/06, Blue Christensen <sbluechristensen@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What are the alternatives to bleach?

> > My husband has severe MCS, and we can't use bleach-

> >

> > thanks

> >

> >

> > On 7/14/06, bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Current wisdom seems to be:

> > >

> > > - Wear a mask of N95 rating, gloves and eye googles.

> > >

> > > - Spray the area lightly with water to keep the spores less airborne.

> > >

> > > - ensure that there are fans in window(s) of the room pulling air from

> the

> > > room to the outside. (Putting fans in windows in other rooms of the

> house

> > > pulling air in enhances this effect (as long they are far enough away

> from

> > > the windows of the room in question.)

> > >

> > > - scrub wth soap and water.

> > >

> > > - disinfect porous areas with beach diluted 10:1 with water.

> > >

> > > I'm considering tearing off the wallpaper and/or applying some sort of

> > > plastic spray/liquid over the whole thing.

> > >

> > > Oh and the really fun part: inspectging whiole rest of house for mold

> > > issues (I just moved in in November).

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

We will try it!

On 7/14/06, bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote:

>

> Make that " hydrogen peroxide " . Damn keyboard

>

>

> On 7/14/06, bob niederman <bobn1955@... <bobn1955%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > The " less chemical " alternative I've heard mentioned (possibly/probably

> > here) was hydorogen preoxide, but I don;t know if that is as good.

> >

> > - Bob Niiederman

>

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[Guest guest]

It's not dry-wall - it's plaster. I don;t think that needs replacing, if I

understand right the mold grows on the paper part of drywall.

Anybody know any different? I expect I just hit it with the soap, then the

bleach.

On 7/14/06, Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

>

> Vinegar. Also, replacing the dry wall.

> Trina

>

>

> Blue Christensen

<sbluechristensen@...<sbluechristensen%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> What are the alternatives to bleach?

> My husband has severe MCS, and we can't use bleach-

>

> thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

Problem is there are spores everywhere. The way I understand it, you need

to sample air inside and outside the house at the same time to get a

relative idea (and that assumes your whole neighborhood isn't full of toxic

mold!).

On 7/14/06, Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

>

> You could also try a spore kit. I think you hang it in your house like

> flypaper for 24 hrs send it back and get whatever spores are floating about

> analyzed. A sure way to see what's in there.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dang

bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote: Problem is there are spores

everywhere. The way I understand it, you need

to sample air inside and outside the house at the same time to get a

relative idea (and that assumes your whole neighborhood isn't full of toxic

mold!).

On 7/14/06, Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

>

> You could also try a spore kit. I think you hang it in your house like

> flypaper for 24 hrs send it back and get whatever spores are floating about

> analyzed. A sure way to see what's in there.

>

>

[Guest guest]

try hydrogen peroxide

Re: Re: CF - a precurser to CFS?

> >

> > Kendra,

> >

> > Thanks for your response.

> >

> > Comments below

> >

> > On 7/13/06, Kendra <KCuyler@...

<KCuyler%40gmail.com><KCuyler%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bob

> > >

> > > How much mold is there? Are you talking about mold in the grout

> > > between ceramic tiles? Or mold actually growing on the painted? wall

> > > adjacent to the shower/bathtub?

> >

> > I feel like such a moron.

> >

> > It's actually growing in spots, some 1/2 " most much smaller, on the

> > wallpaper adjacent to the ceiling around much of the perihery of the

> > bathroom, in a band about 1 " high, except at one end where the spots

> > are in an area more like 2 - 3 " . And the ceiling, painted plaster

> > adjacent to the walls in the same areas has a very narrow band. I

> > don;t see than any of it looks moist. It's only at the top of the

> > room. The room has an exhaust fan, but stupid me never left the solid

> > door open so that it could do anything, so the mirrors were always

> > covered with vapor when I got out of the shower - clearly a lot of

> > moisture got trapped in the borners formed by the walls and ceilings.

> >

> > The showers stall itself is fiberglass. The rest of the ceiling and

> > wals are unaffected.

> >

> > > A product like Clorox Clean-up that contains bleach should be

> > > effective. Are you sensitive to chemicals yet? If so, wear rubber

> > > gloves and try to avoid breathing the fumes - or - open a window and

> > > have a fan running to draw the fumes out of the bathroom.

> >

> > I may have started having MCS - I had some new furniture delivered in

> > Feb, treated with something called Stainsafe - and it had a smell that

> > bothered hell out of me and maybe gave me headaches. My brother could

> > smell nothing. (That seems t be gone now.)

> >

> > In any event, if I have a fan blowig out the window in the bthrrom and

> > other fans blowing in the windows from other rooms I think I'll be OK.

> > I will use the gloves and probably get a mask of some sort, as

> > advised by some websites to prevent inhalation of spores stirred up in

> > the porcess.

> >

> > > Can you hire a cleaning lady for a 1 time visit - probably cost

> > > $50-$100 for the whole house, depending on how much needs to be done.

> >

> > I don't know - I think I'm gonna want this done a specific way.

> > Although I am tempted....

> >

> > - Bob,

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, testing is done by industrial hygenists and their benchmark test is

sort of lame, testing the difference in mold spore counts inside and

outside. If you feel weak standing there, it may be that your body is

acting as your testing devise. Joanee

bob niederman wrote:

>Problem is there are spores everywhere. The way I understand it, you need

>to sample air inside and outside the house at the same time to get a

>relative idea (and that assumes your whole neighborhood isn't full of toxic

>mold!).

>

>On 7/14/06, Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

>

>

>> You could also try a spore kit. I think you hang it in your house like

>>flypaper for 24 hrs send it back and get whatever spores are floating about

>>analyzed. A sure way to see what's in there.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joanee Webb < wrote:

>

> Yes, testing is done by industrial hygenists and their benchmark

test is sort of lame, testing the difference in mold spore counts

inside and outside. If you feel weak standing there, it may be that

your body is acting as your testing devise. Joanee

>

Yes. Precisely!

The " mold experts " give the appearance of professionalism and

competence with their sophisticated 'testing' devices, and then they

pull a lame stunt like claiming that indoor spores are toxic and

outdoor spores are safe.

I remind them that your lungs don't exactly care if the spore they

inhale is surrounded by walls or not. Sometimes I ask if I can

quickly throw up a wall around harmlesss outdoor spores and see if

this will pursuade them to turn toxic.

And even quickly drop the walls, just to get those poor dumb spores

totally confused about which they are supposed to be.

I never made any serious headway against controlling my mold

mediated symptoms until I abandoned all " testing " and acted in

accordance with the messages of exposure that my body was STRONGLY

indicating.

As Joanee says, if you feel weak standing there, in the presence of

of mold and the LACK of a strong EMF field, you may wish to place

your priority on the " trigger " that is right in front of you.

-