Re: immunoglobin / prozac ?/Edy

[Guest guest]

Hi, Edy.

> <edyrayfield@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

>

***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with schizophrenia is

encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine in chewing gum may not

deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in the brain as potently as

cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the toxins and health risk in these, but

I guess that's what you get with a commitment to mere custodial mangagement

rather than getting at the roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I

understand the choice for both the schizophrenic and

facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too much

trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical estimate for what

eventually happens for all those in the homes provided them.

***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played in

sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination to ever

smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many years along with

taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several symptoms which truthfully do

little for him.

***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants predisposing

detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can eventually develop with

such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the fact that all three of the people in

my childhood neighborhood that that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD

that I'm aware of all had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their

mouths by Jr High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at

such a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

dysfunction.

[Guest guest]

***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played in

sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination to ever

smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many years along with

taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several symptoms which truthfully do

little for him.

This is pretty much the story of my friend's son, but she kept him at home for

a couple of years until he started getting dangerous and she had to commit him-

not to a group home but to the hospital-where he is allowed to smoke. When I did

my internship, not *all* my clients smoked, but not all were schizophrenic. Some

had other diagnoses. But it sure was common.

[Guest guest]

My friend's son is schizophrenic and smokes...now in his 50's he's

getting beginning COPD.

I think it must be self-medication and too bad the researchers don't

look into it more. Must have to do with acetycholine receptors.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down

with schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades,

played in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no

inclination to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been

for many years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for

several symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

>

>

>

> This is pretty much the story of my friend's son, but she kept him

at home for a couple of years until he started getting dangerous and

she had to commit him- not to a group home but to the hospital-where

he is allowed to smoke. When I did my internship, not *all* my clients

smoked, but not all were schizophrenic. Some had other diagnoses. But

it sure was common.

>

>

[Guest guest]

THe Canadian psychiatrist, Abram Hoffer, MD, successfully treated

schizoprenia with vitamin C and niacin. A side effect he noticed with this

simple

therapy was cancer remission.

Newcomb, MD, in his 1975 book, utrients for the Brain, also used a

similar therapy plus B vitamins and Magnesium in dealing with this tragic brain

malfunction.

mjh

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_jill1313 _

(jill1313)

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:53 am (PST)

My friend's son is schizophrenic and smokes...now in his 50's he's

getting beginning COPD.

I think it must be self-medication and too bad the researchers don't

look into it more. Must have to do with acetycholine receptors.

[Guest guest]

Edy, I was surprised to see you say 100 % of schizophrenics smoke.Just

because your nephew is a heavy smoker doesn't mean all people with

schizophrenia smoke I worked for many years in a mental health facility

with many people who have schizophrenia. Some of those people smoke and

some do not. I have never seen smoking suggested even subtly by

treatment providers.I have seen many smoke but they also use alcohol and

illegal drugs to self medicate. Some drink huge amounts of coffee which

has the opposite affect, it makes them wired. Unfortunately many become

ill when they are in their teens-a time when many began experimenting

with smoking, drugs and alcohol. Young people with a lot of youthful

energy trapped with a brain that doesn't allow them to be successful in

society so they sit around and smoke, drink coffee or use alcohol or

illegal drugs,.It becomes a culture born out of boredom for these young

people who are trapped with a sickness that makes difficult to function

in society. I believe some young people use substances as a way of

fitting in not unlike kids in the general population.

, I can't imagine a treatment center or group home that

encourages smoking as a way of managing the patients/clients. In fact

the homes that were associated with the treatment center where I worked

was smoke free as was the day care facility.

My observation was that those who lived at home with their own families

or had an otherwise healthy support system didn't smoke or use illegal

drugs or alcohol.

Didn't mean to rant it but I guess it upset me to hear all people with

this terrible illness lumped together as smokers. As with any illness

the victims come from all kinds of lifestyles and with all kinds of

personalities.

Gail

davidhall2020 wrote:

>

> Hi, Edy.

>

> > <edyrayfield@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> > with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> > suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> > to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> > say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

> >

>

> ***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with

> schizophrenia is encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine

> in chewing gum may not deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in

> the brain as potently as cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the

> toxins and health risk in these, but I guess that's what you get with

> a commitment to mere custodial mangagement rather than getting at the

> roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I understand the choice

> for both the schizophrenic and

> facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too

> much trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical

> estimate for what eventually happens for all those in the homes

> provided them.

>

> ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

> schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played

> in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination

> to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many

> years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several

> symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

>

> ***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants

> predisposing detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can

> eventually develop with such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the

> fact that all three of the people in my childhood neighborhood that

> that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD that I'm aware of all

> had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their mouths by Jr

> High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at such

> a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

> dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

> dysfunction.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail, Nothing I said was meant to malign. My point was that the smoking hit

sights in the brain that tend to calm the schizophrenic mind. I truly meant it

as a positive observation, not as a recommendation. I think the thread of the

topic was how can we use things to feel better and it came to mind. It isn't

my idea, I've read this somewhere. I wish I could give you the reference.

Are you familiar with the Pfieffer Center? From what I understand they are

doing some remarkable things with autism, which is another hot topic under

discussion on this board. But my nephew saw them for his schizophrenia. He's

lucky and lives here at home, but has been violent and is court ordered now to

get medication injections. Like I said, I couldn't get him to take the

supplements consistantly enough. And you are right, it hit him in his early

teens. I believe a few others posted that they, too, know schizophrenics that

smoke. I think it may be more common than you think.

It's not that I'm lumping them into a box, just an observation.

Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsem@...> wrote:

Edy, I was surprised to see you say 100 % of schizophrenics smoke.Just

because your nephew is a heavy smoker doesn't mean all people with

schizophrenia smoke I worked for many years in a mental health facility

with many people who have schizophrenia. Some of those people smoke and

some do not. I have never seen smoking suggested even subtly by

treatment providers.I have seen many smoke but they also use alcohol and

illegal drugs to self medicate. Some drink huge amounts of coffee which

has the opposite affect, it makes them wired. Unfortunately many become

ill when they are in their teens-a time when many began experimenting

with smoking, drugs and alcohol. Young people with a lot of youthful

energy trapped with a brain that doesn't allow them to be successful in

society so they sit around and smoke, drink coffee or use alcohol or

illegal drugs,.It becomes a culture born out of boredom for these young

people who are trapped with a sickness that makes difficult to function

in society. I believe some young people use substances as a way of

fitting in not unlike kids in the general population.

, I can't imagine a treatment center or group home that

encourages smoking as a way of managing the patients/clients. In fact

the homes that were associated with the treatment center where I worked

was smoke free as was the day care facility.

My observation was that those who lived at home with their own families

or had an otherwise healthy support system didn't smoke or use illegal

drugs or alcohol.

Didn't mean to rant it but I guess it upset me to hear all people with

this terrible illness lumped together as smokers. As with any illness

the victims come from all kinds of lifestyles and with all kinds of

personalities.

Gail

davidhall2020 wrote:

>

> Hi, Edy.

>

> > <edyrayfield@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> > with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> > suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> > to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> > say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

> >

>

> ***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with

> schizophrenia is encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine

> in chewing gum may not deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in

> the brain as potently as cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the

> toxins and health risk in these, but I guess that's what you get with

> a commitment to mere custodial mangagement rather than getting at the

> roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I understand the choice

> for both the schizophrenic and

> facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too

> much trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical

> estimate for what eventually happens for all those in the homes

> provided them.

>

> ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

> schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played

> in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination

> to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many

> years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several

> symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

>

> ***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants

> predisposing detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can

> eventually develop with such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the

> fact that all three of the people in my childhood neighborhood that

> that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD that I'm aware of all

> had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their mouths by Jr

> High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at such

> a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

> dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

> dysfunction.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Gail, I just wanted to add that if you google schizophrenia and

cigarette smoking I think you'll find on PubMed the same thing I've said.

Compared to the general population schizophrenics are smoking at an alarming

rate. Their words. Maybe there's something else that can give them the

feelings they need that isn't so harmful.

Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsem@...> wrote: Edy, I was surprised

to see you say 100 % of schizophrenics smoke.Just

because your nephew is a heavy smoker doesn't mean all people with

schizophrenia smoke I worked for many years in a mental health facility

with many people who have schizophrenia. Some of those people smoke and

some do not. I have never seen smoking suggested even subtly by

treatment providers.I have seen many smoke but they also use alcohol and

illegal drugs to self medicate. Some drink huge amounts of coffee which

has the opposite affect, it makes them wired. Unfortunately many become

ill when they are in their teens-a time when many began experimenting

with smoking, drugs and alcohol. Young people with a lot of youthful

energy trapped with a brain that doesn't allow them to be successful in

society so they sit around and smoke, drink coffee or use alcohol or

illegal drugs,.It becomes a culture born out of boredom for these young

people who are trapped with a sickness that makes difficult to function

in society. I believe some young people use substances as a way of

fitting in not unlike kids in the general population.

, I can't imagine a treatment center or group home that

encourages smoking as a way of managing the patients/clients. In fact

the homes that were associated with the treatment center where I worked

was smoke free as was the day care facility.

My observation was that those who lived at home with their own families

or had an otherwise healthy support system didn't smoke or use illegal

drugs or alcohol.

Didn't mean to rant it but I guess it upset me to hear all people with

this terrible illness lumped together as smokers. As with any illness

the victims come from all kinds of lifestyles and with all kinds of

personalities.

Gail

davidhall2020 wrote:

>

> Hi, Edy.

>

> > <edyrayfield@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> > with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> > suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> > to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> > say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

> >

>

> ***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with

> schizophrenia is encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine

> in chewing gum may not deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in

> the brain as potently as cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the

> toxins and health risk in these, but I guess that's what you get with

> a commitment to mere custodial mangagement rather than getting at the

> roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I understand the choice

> for both the schizophrenic and

> facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too

> much trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical

> estimate for what eventually happens for all those in the homes

> provided them.

>

> ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

> schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played

> in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination

> to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many

> years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several

> symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

>

> ***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants

> predisposing detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can

> eventually develop with such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the

> fact that all three of the people in my childhood neighborhood that

> that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD that I'm aware of all

> had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their mouths by Jr

> High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at such

> a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

> dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

> dysfunction.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Edy, No offense taken. I am kind of sensitive I guess as I worked

closely with the population for so long. I saw so many lives wasted.

Kind of like CFS-not enough research being done and not fast enough. I

read through posts pretty fast so I probably missed the context a bit.

The words 100% of schizophrenics smoke jumped out at me. No I have not

heard of the Pfieffer Center, but I have been retired on disability for

7 years and have not kept up with treatment centers etc.

Gail .

Edy Rayfield wrote:

>

> Hi Gail, Nothing I said was meant to malign. My point was that the

> smoking hit sights in the brain that tend to calm the schizophrenic

> mind. I truly meant it as a positive observation, not as a

> recommendation. I think the thread of the topic was how can we use

> things to feel better and it came to mind. It isn't my idea, I've read

> this somewhere. I wish I could give you the reference.

>

> Are you familiar with the Pfieffer Center? From what I understand they

> are doing some remarkable things with autism, which is another hot

> topic under discussion on this board. But my nephew saw them for his

> schizophrenia. He's lucky and lives here at home, but has been violent

> and is court ordered now to get medication injections. Like I said, I

> couldn't get him to take the supplements consistantly enough. And you

> are right, it hit him in his early teens. I believe a few others

> posted that they, too, know schizophrenics that smoke. I think it may

> be more common than you think.

> It's not that I'm lumping them into a box, just an observation.

> Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsemsurewest (DOT) net

> <mailto:gmilsem%40surewest.net>> wrote:

> Edy, I was surprised to see you say 100 % of schizophrenics smoke.Just

> because your nephew is a heavy smoker doesn't mean all people with

> schizophrenia smoke I worked for many years in a mental health facility

> with many people who have schizophrenia. Some of those people smoke and

> some do not. I have never seen smoking suggested even subtly by

> treatment providers.I have seen many smoke but they also use alcohol and

> illegal drugs to self medicate. Some drink huge amounts of coffee which

> has the opposite affect, it makes them wired. Unfortunately many become

> ill when they are in their teens-a time when many began experimenting

> with smoking, drugs and alcohol. Young people with a lot of youthful

> energy trapped with a brain that doesn't allow them to be successful in

> society so they sit around and smoke, drink coffee or use alcohol or

> illegal drugs,.It becomes a culture born out of boredom for these young

> people who are trapped with a sickness that makes difficult to function

> in society. I believe some young people use substances as a way of

> fitting in not unlike kids in the general population.

>

> , I can't imagine a treatment center or group home that

> encourages smoking as a way of managing the patients/clients. In fact

> the homes that were associated with the treatment center where I worked

> was smoke free as was the day care facility.

> My observation was that those who lived at home with their own families

> or had an otherwise healthy support system didn't smoke or use illegal

> drugs or alcohol.

> Didn't mean to rant it but I guess it upset me to hear all people with

> this terrible illness lumped together as smokers. As with any illness

> the victims come from all kinds of lifestyles and with all kinds of

> personalities.

> Gail

>

> davidhall2020 wrote:

> >

> > Hi, Edy.

> >

> > > <edyrayfield@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> > > with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> > > suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> > > to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> > > say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

> > >

> >

> > ***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with

> > schizophrenia is encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine

> > in chewing gum may not deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in

> > the brain as potently as cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the

> > toxins and health risk in these, but I guess that's what you get with

> > a commitment to mere custodial mangagement rather than getting at the

> > roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I understand the choice

> > for both the schizophrenic and

> > facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too

> > much trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical

> > estimate for what eventually happens for all those in the homes

> > provided them.

> >

> > ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

> > schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played

> > in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination

> > to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many

> > years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several

> > symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

> >

> > ***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants

> > predisposing detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can

> > eventually develop with such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the

> > fact that all three of the people in my childhood neighborhood that

> > that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD that I'm aware of all

> > had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their mouths by Jr

> > High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at such

> > a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

> > dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

> > dysfunction.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Edy, No offense taken. I am kind of sensitive I guess as I worked

closely with the population for so long. I saw so many lives wasted.

Kind of like CFS-not enough research being done and not fast enough. I

read through posts pretty fast so I probably missed the context a bit.

The words 100% of schizophrenics smoke jumped out at me. No I have not

heard of the Pfieffer Center, but I have been retired on disability for

7 years and have not kept up with treatment centers etc.

Gail .

Edy Rayfield wrote:

>

> Hi Gail, Nothing I said was meant to malign. My point was that the

> smoking hit sights in the brain that tend to calm the schizophrenic

> mind. I truly meant it as a positive observation, not as a

> recommendation. I think the thread of the topic was how can we use

> things to feel better and it came to mind. It isn't my idea, I've read

> this somewhere. I wish I could give you the reference.

>

> Are you familiar with the Pfieffer Center? From what I understand they

> are doing some remarkable things with autism, which is another hot

> topic under discussion on this board. But my nephew saw them for his

> schizophrenia. He's lucky and lives here at home, but has been violent

> and is court ordered now to get medication injections. Like I said, I

> couldn't get him to take the supplements consistantly enough. And you

> are right, it hit him in his early teens. I believe a few others

> posted that they, too, know schizophrenics that smoke. I think it may

> be more common than you think.

> It's not that I'm lumping them into a box, just an observation.

> Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsemsurewest (DOT) net

> <mailto:gmilsem%40surewest.net>> wrote:

> Edy, I was surprised to see you say 100 % of schizophrenics smoke.Just

> because your nephew is a heavy smoker doesn't mean all people with

> schizophrenia smoke I worked for many years in a mental health facility

> with many people who have schizophrenia. Some of those people smoke and

> some do not. I have never seen smoking suggested even subtly by

> treatment providers.I have seen many smoke but they also use alcohol and

> illegal drugs to self medicate. Some drink huge amounts of coffee which

> has the opposite affect, it makes them wired. Unfortunately many become

> ill when they are in their teens-a time when many began experimenting

> with smoking, drugs and alcohol. Young people with a lot of youthful

> energy trapped with a brain that doesn't allow them to be successful in

> society so they sit around and smoke, drink coffee or use alcohol or

> illegal drugs,.It becomes a culture born out of boredom for these young

> people who are trapped with a sickness that makes difficult to function

> in society. I believe some young people use substances as a way of

> fitting in not unlike kids in the general population.

>

> , I can't imagine a treatment center or group home that

> encourages smoking as a way of managing the patients/clients. In fact

> the homes that were associated with the treatment center where I worked

> was smoke free as was the day care facility.

> My observation was that those who lived at home with their own families

> or had an otherwise healthy support system didn't smoke or use illegal

> drugs or alcohol.

> Didn't mean to rant it but I guess it upset me to hear all people with

> this terrible illness lumped together as smokers. As with any illness

> the victims come from all kinds of lifestyles and with all kinds of

> personalities.

> Gail

>

> davidhall2020 wrote:

> >

> > Hi, Edy.

> >

> > > <edyrayfield@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> > > with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> > > suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> > > to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> > > say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

> > >

> >

> > ***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with

> > schizophrenia is encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine

> > in chewing gum may not deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in

> > the brain as potently as cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the

> > toxins and health risk in these, but I guess that's what you get with

> > a commitment to mere custodial mangagement rather than getting at the

> > roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I understand the choice

> > for both the schizophrenic and

> > facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too

> > much trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical

> > estimate for what eventually happens for all those in the homes

> > provided them.

> >

> > ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

> > schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played

> > in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination

> > to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many

> > years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several

> > symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

> >

> > ***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants

> > predisposing detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can

> > eventually develop with such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the

> > fact that all three of the people in my childhood neighborhood that

> > that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD that I'm aware of all

> > had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their mouths by Jr

> > High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at such

> > a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

> > dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

> > dysfunction.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah Gail, I know we're all hurting. Good for you that you tried so much to help

others when you could. We need all the input we can get and I mean all of us

that suffer from whatever. I'm glad you're so strong and willing to defend

others. Peace Out, Friend. Edy

Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsem@...> wrote: Hi Edy, No offense

taken. I am kind of sensitive I guess as I worked

closely with the population for so long. I saw so many lives wasted.

Kind of like CFS-not enough research being done and not fast enough. I

read through posts pretty fast so I probably missed the context a bit.

The words 100% of schizophrenics smoke jumped out at me. No I have not

heard of the Pfieffer Center, but I have been retired on disability for

7 years and have not kept up with treatment centers etc.

Gail .

Edy Rayfield wrote:

>

> Hi Gail, Nothing I said was meant to malign. My point was that the

> smoking hit sights in the brain that tend to calm the schizophrenic

> mind. I truly meant it as a positive observation, not as a

> recommendation. I think the thread of the topic was how can we use

> things to feel better and it came to mind. It isn't my idea, I've read

> this somewhere. I wish I could give you the reference.

>

> Are you familiar with the Pfieffer Center? From what I understand they

> are doing some remarkable things with autism, which is another hot

> topic under discussion on this board. But my nephew saw them for his

> schizophrenia. He's lucky and lives here at home, but has been violent

> and is court ordered now to get medication injections. Like I said, I

> couldn't get him to take the supplements consistantly enough. And you

> are right, it hit him in his early teens. I believe a few others

> posted that they, too, know schizophrenics that smoke. I think it may

> be more common than you think.

> It's not that I'm lumping them into a box, just an observation.

> Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsemsurewest (DOT) net

> <mailto:gmilsem%40surewest.net>> wrote:

> Edy, I was surprised to see you say 100 % of schizophrenics smoke.Just

> because your nephew is a heavy smoker doesn't mean all people with

> schizophrenia smoke I worked for many years in a mental health facility

> with many people who have schizophrenia. Some of those people smoke and

> some do not. I have never seen smoking suggested even subtly by

> treatment providers.I have seen many smoke but they also use alcohol and

> illegal drugs to self medicate. Some drink huge amounts of coffee which

> has the opposite affect, it makes them wired. Unfortunately many become

> ill when they are in their teens-a time when many began experimenting

> with smoking, drugs and alcohol. Young people with a lot of youthful

> energy trapped with a brain that doesn't allow them to be successful in

> society so they sit around and smoke, drink coffee or use alcohol or

> illegal drugs,.It becomes a culture born out of boredom for these young

> people who are trapped with a sickness that makes difficult to function

> in society. I believe some young people use substances as a way of

> fitting in not unlike kids in the general population.

>

> , I can't imagine a treatment center or group home that

> encourages smoking as a way of managing the patients/clients. In fact

> the homes that were associated with the treatment center where I worked

> was smoke free as was the day care facility.

> My observation was that those who lived at home with their own families

> or had an otherwise healthy support system didn't smoke or use illegal

> drugs or alcohol.

> Didn't mean to rant it but I guess it upset me to hear all people with

> this terrible illness lumped together as smokers. As with any illness

> the victims come from all kinds of lifestyles and with all kinds of

> personalities.

> Gail

>

> davidhall2020 wrote:

> >

> > Hi, Edy.

> >

> > > <edyrayfield@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks, Another interesting thing about smoking. 100% of people

> > > with schizophrenia smoke cigarettes. I know this because my nephew

> > > suffers with this and is a heavy smoker so I looked into it. It goes

> > > to some receptor sight or sights in the brain that calm these kids. I

> > > say kids, but I mean in their 20s.

> > >

> >

> > ***Yes, I've heard smoking among those at homes for those with

> > schizophrenia is encouraged and provided for as I guess the nicotine

> > in chewing gum may not deliver this drug to the nicotinic receptors in

> > the brain as potently as cigarettes(a ridiculous trade off given the

> > toxins and health risk in these, but I guess that's what you get with

> > a commitment to mere custodial mangagement rather than getting at the

> > roots of a problem). Nicotine is a relaxant so I understand the choice

> > for both the schizophrenic and

> > facility management in wanting to subdue anxious people from being too

> > much trouble and something approaching 100% sounds like a practical

> > estimate for what eventually happens for all those in the homes

> > provided them.

> >

> > ***I can only speak of one close childhood friend who came down with

> > schizphrenia at around age 17. Before this he had great grades, played

> > in sports, played in a band, had a girl friend and had no inclination

> > to ever smoke. He smokes like a chimney now and has been for many

> > years along with taking a plethera of pharmaceuticals for several

> > symptoms which truthfully do little for him.

> >

> > ***Given what I'm learning in CFS with regard to gene variants

> > predisposing detox issues and the heavy metal accumulation that can

> > eventually develop with such vulnerabilities, I'm suspicious of the

> > fact that all three of the people in my childhood neighborhood that

> > that came down with schizophrenia and severe OCD that I'm aware of all

> > had braces and who knows how many metal amalgams in their mouths by Jr

> > High, before symptom onset. Thats a lot of metal in ones mouth at such

> > a young age and I can't help wondering if the innovations of modern

> > dentistry might be an important factor to their eventual neurological

> > dysfunction.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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