Re: immunoglobin & prozac / Rich?...Jill?...anyone?

[Guest guest]

These are the areas what helped me and Glutathione building was the primary

and fundamanetal way to get things working right!

My regime:

1)raising glutathione & thyroid

2)killing off infections

3)improving adrenals

4)improvin digestion

5)balancing phase 1

6)antioxidants

7)dealing with toxins

8)immune regulation

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the explanation. Aren't we all so interesting...

I don't know much about the nicotinic receptors in the brain, so I'm

afraid I can't help in that area (except to note that I know there is

research to suggest that tobacco smoking helps some neurological

things, e.g., some cases of Parkinson's). You need a much bigger

brain than mine, I'm afraid. Rich or Jill or someone else?

I'm pretty new at this myself, Steve, and I spend large amounts of

time grappling in the dark with my, ahem, physical doings, as well.

From what you've said, though, it seems as if you do have a gut

problem with a yeast of some sort. Have you tried working on your

gut? I think that would be what I would work on first. It's pretty

basic. (No carbs, no sugars, no stuff you're allergic to, go

probiotics, use real coconut oil and real butter, no margarine, use

plain non-pasteurized yogurt, e.g., Dannon, at least 2 cups per day,

and essential oil of oregano diluted 1:9 with virgin olive oil

several times a day.)

I hope some others pipe up. Some folks will come back on to the list

after the weekend, so don't give up hope too soon. And definitely

stay away from that Rx for Prozac!

Hang in there...help is on the way...

in Champaign IL

>

> My symptoms started about seven years ago while in college. I got

> sick with strep throat, took antibiotics, got it again right away,

> took other antibiotics, then got a chronic sinus problem (which drs

> attempted to relieve with more antibiotics and nasal spray) and

felt

> fatigued like never before after that. Since then, I have never

been

> the same, the main symptom being an inability to exercise. Prior to

> this happening, I was very athletic. Since then, I have tried every

> form of exercise: light sit-ups, push-ups, light jogs, hiking,

yoga,

> etc. The end result is pretty much always the same. I feel ultra-

> dizzy right after, and then get progressively worse over the next

> few hours until I can barely think anymore. Following exercise, I

> feel really depressed and irritable, physically exhausted, have dry

> eyes and mouth, get thirsty, have a headache and sometimes a sore

> throat, feel confused and socially inept, and just need to sleep.

My

> cognitive abilities become severely impaired, and it lasts for up

to

> 2 days. I really miss exercising, so I have been doing my best to

> get back into it for a long time, but always have the same result

no

> matter how hard or soft the form of exercise. In fact, I have tried

> to push myself a few times, thinking I would get over that " hump " ,

> but it only gets worse the harder I push.

>

> Oddly enough, I have had brief periods where I've had to take

> physical labour jobs. After 2 weeks or so I start to cope a little

> better, but I still can't think during downtime (only sleep!). The

> really weird part is, if I smoke cigarettes while I'm working a

> labour job, my symptoms all but disappear. That really stumps me!

> But I have quit smoking again and have no desire to go back to it,

> and no longer work a physical job (I have smoked while not working

> labour jobs in the past and all the symptoms remained...). I have

> quit and started smoking many times, and think this somehow fits

> into the picture, like the cigarettes actually helped my brain to

> get blood sugar or something. Weird, I know.

>

> Anyway, I get colds and flus a lot, have sinus flare-ups following

> the eating of some foods (namely wheat, dairy, beer), have fairly

> poor sleeps and lots of headaches, and I seem to have constant

> stomach problems (gas, bloating, indigestion, constipation, and

> diarrea). I am otherwise ok, happy, and relatively positive, so

long

> as I don't allow my heart to pound (experience has shown me that as

> little as 15 minutes of heart-rate-accelerating exercise can lead

to

> as much as 36-48 hours of suffering and mental impairment). Because

> of this, I've gone from being very athletic and active to having a

> general aversion to exercise.

>

> cheers,

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

" Sometimes one real simple solution for stomachs is digestive enzymes- at

least the right ones. Although I do not profit materially from doing so, I do

everything I can to promote the ones I use, because they seem to help

everybody.

My stomach was messed up for years before I started taking them so it took a

while for me to notice improvement, but maybe investing in one large size

bottle would reveal something. Not that they are especially expensive. The

brand is Tyler, the name is Gastric Complex. I don't believe they are ever found

in stores but they are online.

Adrienne "

****I dont think digestive enzymes are that beneficial if we dont understand

why our enzymes are malfuntioning in the first place! ( Rich will have more

on this Im sure. )

For me everything has started to click into place when i started to raise

glutathione - my pancreas was undoubtedly gummed up with toxins hence low output

of digestive enzymes.

I take digestive enzymes with protein dense meals.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just curious... is this a regime that a specialist put together for

you, or something you just pieced together on your own. Also, thanks

for this info, but I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to do any

of the things listed in your regime below, least of all #1! Are you

fully or partially recovered from ME/CFS?

Stev

> These are the areas what helped me and Glutathione building was

the primary

> and fundamanetal way to get things working right!

>

> My regime:

> 1)raising glutathione & thyroid

> 2)killing off infections

> 3)improving adrenals

> 4)improvin digestion

> 5)balancing phase 1

> 6)antioxidants

> 7)dealing with toxins

> 8)immune regulation

>

>

> Regards

> CS

*****Let me blunt - NO ONE HAS HELPED ME besides the people on this board and

my own efforts! I have pieced together what works for me as I want to get

to the ROOT OF THE PROBLEM and move on with my life !! . Im at stage 7 on MY

list so not far to go

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , for your input. I appreciate it. I have treated my

gut several times, especially for candida, but unfortunately have

lacked the consistency and self-discipline to really make a

difference, I think. I made it pretty strictly for about 2.5 - 3

months once, but noting little improvement, I gave up. I do believe

that my stomach plays a big part in this. I do eat fairly well, but

tend to indulge in the drink on fridays after work... something my

CFS doc told me to stop doing! Living in a new nation with a

different language and a completely different diet makes it pretty

tough to maintain such a limited and specialised diet, too (i.e.anti-

yeast diet), although I found and purchased heaps of organic veg and

fruit today. I've been eating a moderate anti-candida diet for a

couple of years now, with a rare bending of the rules, but perhaps

you are right, and I need to address my stomach more seriously.

Well, thanks again.

Steve

>

> Hi Steve,

>

> Thanks for the explanation. Aren't we all so interesting...

>

> I don't know much about the nicotinic receptors in the brain, so

I'm

> afraid I can't help in that area (except to note that I know there

is

> research to suggest that tobacco smoking helps some neurological

> things, e.g., some cases of Parkinson's). You need a much bigger

> brain than mine, I'm afraid. Rich or Jill or someone else?

>

> I'm pretty new at this myself, Steve, and I spend large amounts of

> time grappling in the dark with my, ahem, physical doings, as

well.

> From what you've said, though, it seems as if you do have a gut

> problem with a yeast of some sort. Have you tried working on your

> gut? I think that would be what I would work on first. It's

pretty

> basic. (No carbs, no sugars, no stuff you're allergic to, go

> probiotics, use real coconut oil and real butter, no margarine,

use

> plain non-pasteurized yogurt, e.g., Dannon, at least 2 cups per

day,

> and essential oil of oregano diluted 1:9 with virgin olive oil

> several times a day.)

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just curious... is this a regime that a specialist put together for

you, or something you just pieced together on your own. Also, thanks

for this info, but I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to do any

of the things listed in your regime below, least of all #1! Are you

fully or partially recovered from ME/CFS?

Steve

> These are the areas what helped me and Glutathione building was

the primary

> and fundamanetal way to get things working right!

>

> My regime:

> 1)raising glutathione & thyroid

> 2)killing off infections

> 3)improving adrenals

> 4)improvin digestion

> 5)balancing phase 1

> 6)antioxidants

> 7)dealing with toxins

> 8)immune regulation

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes one real simple solution for stomachs is digestive enzymes- at least

the right ones. Although I do not profit materially from doing so, I do

everything I can to promote the ones I use, because they seem to help everybody.

My stomach was messed up for years before I started taking them so it took a

while for me to notice improvement, but maybe investing in one large size bottle

would reveal something. Not that they are especially expensive. The brand is

Tyler, the name is Gastric Complex. I don't believe they are ever found in

stores but they are online.

Adrienne

Re: immunoglobin & prozac /

Rich?...Jill?...anyone?

Thanks, , for your input. I appreciate it. I have treated my

gut several times, especially for candida, but unfortunately have

lacked the consistency and self-discipline to really make a

difference, I think. I made it pretty strictly for about 2.5 - 3

months once, but noting little improvement, I gave up. I do believe

that my stomach plays a big part in this. I do eat fairly well, but

tend to indulge in the drink on fridays after work... something my

CFS doc told me to stop doing! Living in a new nation with a

different language and a completely different diet makes it pretty

tough to maintain such a limited and specialised diet, too (i.e.anti-

yeast diet), although I found and purchased heaps of organic veg and

fruit today. I've been eating a moderate anti-candida diet for a

couple of years now, with a rare bending of the rules, but perhaps

you are right, and I need to address my stomach more seriously.

Well, thanks again.

Steve

>

> Hi Steve,

>

> Thanks for the explanation. Aren't we all so interesting...

>

> I don't know much about the nicotinic receptors in the brain, so

I'm

> afraid I can't help in that area (except to note that I know there

is

> research to suggest that tobacco smoking helps some neurological

> things, e.g., some cases of Parkinson's). You need a much bigger

> brain than mine, I'm afraid. Rich or Jill or someone else?

>

> I'm pretty new at this myself, Steve, and I spend large amounts of

> time grappling in the dark with my, ahem, physical doings, as

well.

> From what you've said, though, it seems as if you do have a gut

> problem with a yeast of some sort. Have you tried working on your

> gut? I think that would be what I would work on first. It's

pretty

> basic. (No carbs, no sugars, no stuff you're allergic to, go

> probiotics, use real coconut oil and real butter, no margarine,

use

> plain non-pasteurized yogurt, e.g., Dannon, at least 2 cups per

day,

> and essential oil of oregano diluted 1:9 with virgin olive oil

> several times a day.)

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

No fruit, I'm sorry to say. Also, unfortunately, you're gonna have

to deep-six the booze too.

I started working with my gut problems early this past spring and had

much the same problems you reported. The usual stuff -- gas,

bloating, diarrhea, constipation alternating sometimes.

The first thing I did was stop eating any wheat, which I knew I had

an allergy to, but I had thought it was " minimal. " That alone made

big difference. Then I stopped the carbs and sugars, and started

having a good unpasteurized PLAIN yogurt at least twice per day. Oh

sure, I've messed up and been a " bad doggy " a few times, but overall

I've been pretty religious about it.

The payoff is really amazing. Usually in the spring and early fall I

am doubled over with gastro symptoms that match irritable colon or

IBS. The pattern has always meshed with what I'd read about people

who have ulcers.

This spring, however, since starting the yogurt after throwing out

carbs and sugars, none of that previous discomfort and

inconvenience. It's made a remarkable difference in overall

feeling. Every little thing, or what seems like a little thing,

added to your overall feeling of illness (or wellness), is only going

to add to your picture -- of either illness (or wellness).

Adding in the essential oil of oregano and virgin olive oil 1:9, 6-8

drops (toss on your food) several times per day, is helping further.

Toss the margarine and go to coconut oil and butter. I don't know

whys and wherefores of all this, just that it works.

One thing I learned from Rich (you'll see him soon) recently was

about vegetables. " Below the ground " vegetables, in general, are the

high carb ones (carrots, potatoes), and " above the ground " veggies

are the ones that are okay to eat (green beans, broccoli). I think

that corn and shelled peas are exceptions to this, however, as they

are above the ground and also high carb, so use your head when you

figure this out.

I'm following mjh's recommendations on the herbal things and also on

using milk of magnesia, used in 1/2-1 tsp amounts periodically during

the day, to help with magnesium and pain. Small stuff that doesn't

cost an arm and a leg and that makes a big difference. My head pain

is clearing and something better physically is going on, with very

little expense for me and no Big Pharma.

Take it slow and be thoughtful. I didn't get " this way " overnight,

so it's not going to be overnight that I get better. You too,

probably. Be as patient with yourself as possible. Don't get

discouraged if you screw up -- you're human, you're gonna make

mistakes. Whatever you do, take heart that you're learning.

I just last night tried my first 1/2 tablet of L-tryptophan, and it

helped me with settling in to where I could fall asleep. I have huge

problems with sleeping for various reasons, and I had been relying on

melatonin to help get me to sleep. Last night I forgot my melatonin

and decided to try a 1/2 tablet (250 mg) of the tryptophan (500 mg

long white tablets). Now I can try the tryptophan WITH melatonin on

the same night, and see if that helps get me to sleep and also keep

me asleep for a longer time.

It's a big puzzle, and you have to figure out what your

specific " missing pieces " are and then go from there. Take it slow,

so you learn each step and what it does or doesn't do. You're not

going to get anywhere by using 6000 things at once and hitting

yourself with a biophysical or biochemical sledgehammer of an

experience, good or bad, that you can't learn from.

And for heaven's sake, whatever you do, if you don't have problems

with something that a pharmaceutical is supposedly designed to treat,

don't use it. Translation: Stay away from the Prozac.

in Champaign IL

>

> Thanks, , for your input. I appreciate it. I have treated my

> gut several times, especially for candida, but unfortunately have

> lacked the consistency and self-discipline to really make a

> difference, I think. I made it pretty strictly for about 2.5 - 3

> months once, but noting little improvement, I gave up. I do believe

> that my stomach plays a big part in this. I do eat fairly well, but

> tend to indulge in the drink on fridays after work... something my

> CFS doc told me to stop doing! Living in a new nation with a

> different language and a completely different diet makes it pretty

> tough to maintain such a limited and specialised diet, too

(i.e.anti-

> yeast diet), although I found and purchased heaps of organic veg

and

> fruit today. I've been eating a moderate anti-candida diet for a

> couple of years now, with a rare bending of the rules, but perhaps

> you are right, and I need to address my stomach more seriously.

> Well, thanks again.

>

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure glad I haven't had to wait until the theory is all fixed up and in

place. I am healthier and happier with enzymes!!! I digest my food and suffer so

much less. For goodness sake!!! How could that be not " beneficial, " huh?

Besides, even in non-pts. digestive enzymes decrease with age.

Adrienne

****I dont think digestive enzymes are that beneficial if we dont understand

why our enzymes are malfuntioning in the first place! ( Rich will have more

on this Im sure. )

For me everything has started to click into place when i started to raise

glutathione - my pancreas was undoubtedly gummed up with toxins hence low output

of digestive enzymes.

I take digestive enzymes with protein dense meals.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Well, I know nicotine has an affinity for acetylcholine receptors. I

would suggest buying nicotine gum and using it.

> >

> > My symptoms started about seven years ago while in college. I got

> > sick with strep throat, took antibiotics, got it again right away,

> > took other antibiotics, then got a chronic sinus problem (which drs

> > attempted to relieve with more antibiotics and nasal spray) and

> felt

> > fatigued like never before after that. Since then, I have never

> been

> > the same, the main symptom being an inability to exercise. Prior to

> > this happening, I was very athletic. Since then, I have tried every

> > form of exercise: light sit-ups, push-ups, light jogs, hiking,

> yoga,

> > etc. The end result is pretty much always the same. I feel ultra-

> > dizzy right after, and then get progressively worse over the next

> > few hours until I can barely think anymore. Following exercise, I

> > feel really depressed and irritable, physically exhausted, have dry

> > eyes and mouth, get thirsty, have a headache and sometimes a sore

> > throat, feel confused and socially inept, and just need to sleep.

> My

> > cognitive abilities become severely impaired, and it lasts for up

> to

> > 2 days. I really miss exercising, so I have been doing my best to

> > get back into it for a long time, but always have the same result

> no

> > matter how hard or soft the form of exercise. In fact, I have tried

> > to push myself a few times, thinking I would get over that " hump " ,

> > but it only gets worse the harder I push.

> >

> > Oddly enough, I have had brief periods where I've had to take

> > physical labour jobs. After 2 weeks or so I start to cope a little

> > better, but I still can't think during downtime (only sleep!). The

> > really weird part is, if I smoke cigarettes while I'm working a

> > labour job, my symptoms all but disappear. That really stumps me!

> > But I have quit smoking again and have no desire to go back to it,

> > and no longer work a physical job (I have smoked while not working

> > labour jobs in the past and all the symptoms remained...). I have

> > quit and started smoking many times, and think this somehow fits

> > into the picture, like the cigarettes actually helped my brain to

> > get blood sugar or something. Weird, I know.

> >

> > Anyway, I get colds and flus a lot, have sinus flare-ups following

> > the eating of some foods (namely wheat, dairy, beer), have fairly

> > poor sleeps and lots of headaches, and I seem to have constant

> > stomach problems (gas, bloating, indigestion, constipation, and

> > diarrea). I am otherwise ok, happy, and relatively positive, so

> long

> > as I don't allow my heart to pound (experience has shown me that as

> > little as 15 minutes of heart-rate-accelerating exercise can lead

> to

> > as much as 36-48 hours of suffering and mental impairment). Because

> > of this, I've gone from being very athletic and active to having a

> > general aversion to exercise.

> >

> > cheers,

> > Steve

> >

>