Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > Hi, all. > > There have been three items in the news here involving mercury > lately. > > The first was the story about the European parliament proposing to > restrict the use of mercury for various purposes, one being the use > in amalgams for filling teeth. > ***Hi Rich - What do you suggest for someone who has a mouth full of amalgam? I would be looking at approximately $3,500 to get my amalgams replaced which I just cannot afford anymore. I barely have the money to have a cleaning done. I have already spent over $15,000 on my teeth since coming down with CFS, with three of those ending up being pulled. My dentist keeps insisting that the amalgams are not dangerous and she doesn't see any reason to replace them. I'm at the point now where I don't know what to believe about dental amalgam. Are they really dangerous, or are we with CFS so desparate for a cure, that we will do anything in hope of a cure?? Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > >I think there is no question of that, mercury is so toxic, no one can dispute that. However, if a person is robustly healthy, amalgams may not cause health issues in those people, they can detox it out. Any med professional that has a sick patient with a mouthful of mercury that says its not harmful isn't paying attention. > > Marcia Hi Marcia - Mercury is definitely toxic, however, is amalgam?? Supposedly when it is mixed with the other metals, it becomes stable. Next time I'm in at my doctors I going to see if she will send me for a blood test to test for mercury. I'm just not sure if she will do this or not as I don't get the impression that she really believes in CFS. Unfortunately there isn't a doctor in my area that specializes in CFS and I have doctor shopped so much lately, I've run out of new doctors I can try. From my research that I have done on amalgam, according to the " medical " professionals, dentists usually have twice the mercury readings on testing, however, even they aren't considered to be at risk as their readings are well within the " normal " range considered safe. The test where a person chews for 10 minutes and then their breath vapour is measured, is considered bogus as it is known that chewing does release some amalgam vapour, however, almost all of it is expelled with a person's breathing. Then the other test where the amalgam is provoked with a chelating agent is also considered bogus as it would be expected that there would be higher than normal concentrations of mercury because of the chelating. Under normal circumstances the mercury level would NOT be higher. Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi, Bernie. I understand the dilemma you are facing. What I would suggest is to try to get your glutathione levels back up. I realize that that can be a difficult process, because of sulfur metabolism blocks, but I think it's necessary. Glutathione is normally what takes out the mercury that gets into your body. A person who has normal glutathione levels usually doesn't notice any effects of the mercury, because it more or less keeps up with what's coming in, as least well enough to avoid any frank symptoms. I want to offer some history. The American Dental Association was originally born out of a dispute among dentists over whether it was safe to use amalgams. Those who believed it was safe formed the ADA, and they became the dominant group in American dentistry. At this point, they have put a very large number of amalgams into people's teeth, and if it were shown conclusively that this is harmful, they would face a huge liability. They used the argument for a long time that when mercury was put into an amalgam, somehow it was made inert. As someone with a fair background in physical chemistry and metallurgy, I can tell you that this is not true. Forming an alloy does lower the vapor pressure of the mercury, but it does not reduce it to zero. Furthermore, the older amalgam formula was a two-phase mixture that preferentially corroded the phase that was high in mercury and tin because of the galvanic effect with the saliva. I think it is a good possibility that the rise in Alzheimer's disease in the elderly is at least partly a result of amalgams. As people become older, it is observed that their glutathione production decreases. It may be that at some point it goes too low to take out the mercury that is coming in from their amalgams fast enough, and that may be what brings on the neurotoxicity. Replacing amalgams in a person with low glutathione is a risky proposition, because it can put more mercury into the brain, as well as the kidneys and other organs. I advocate raising the glutathione levels before removing amalgams. Rich > ***Hi Rich - What do you suggest for someone who has a mouth full of > amalgam? I would be looking at approximately $3,500 to get my > amalgams replaced which I just cannot afford anymore. I barely have > the money to have a cleaning done. I have already spent over $15,000 > on my teeth since coming down with CFS, with three of those ending up > being pulled. > > My dentist keeps insisting that the amalgams are not dangerous and > she doesn't see any reason to replace them. I'm at the point now > where I don't know what to believe about dental amalgam. Are they > really dangerous, or are we with CFS so desparate for a cure, that we > will do anything in hope of a cure?? > > Take care. > > Bernie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > Hi, Bernie. > > I understand the dilemma you are facing. What I would suggest is to > try to get your glutathione levels back up. I realize that that can > be a difficult process, because of sulfur metabolism blocks, but I > think it's necessary. Glutathione is normally what takes out the > mercury that gets into your body. A person who has normal > glutathione levels usually doesn't notice any effects of the > mercury, because it more or less keeps up with what's coming in, as > least well enough to avoid any frank symptoms. > ***Thanks for your reply Rich. I am now taking Immunocal, and once that runs out I am switching over to ImmunoPro. I decided on the ImmunoPro because it has more Lactoferrin and Immunoglobulins than RenewPro. I'm also being sure to eat on a daily basis vegetables that are known for raising glutathione (ie broccoli, asparagus, cabbage, etc.). Like CS, I'm also taking Tumeric, and was also considering adding NAC once or twice a week. I'll have to rethink replacing my amalgams. Even if I only do a few a year, that will be better than nothing. I'll wait and see what my blood test shows first. Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi, Bernie. I would suggest being cautious about taking NAC if you have elevated mercury levels, since it has been shown in rats by Aposhian et al. that it can move mercury into the brain. Rich Like CS, I'm also taking Tumeric, and was also considering > adding NAC once or twice a week. > Bernie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Here's a couple more items about autism and mercury from an editorial I read this week: According to the California Public Schools Autism Prevalence Report for the School Years 1992-2003, the increase in autism prevalence is systemic across the entire United States " and should be an urgent public health concern… *The disease frequency of autism now surpasses that of all types of cancer combined.* " The report notes a 1,086% cumulative growth rate of autism over the period, with a 23% average annual growth rate. ***** A recent study published in the Spring 2006 volume of the peer-reviewed Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons shows that the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders in children has **decreased following the removal of thimerosal** from most American childhood vaccines. However, only about a third of the 11 million children vaccinated for influenza this year will receive mercury-free vaccines. Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi bernie Im sure Rich has advise you to build up your Glutathione levels first before going down the amalgam replacement route. Im actually looking at different pathways to build my Glutathione as I have a feeling that many Glutathione pathways in CFS get screwed up. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi Continued antiobitics is what helped caused my dysbosis. Perhaps you would consider looking into building your Glutathione levels once you have finished your antibiotcs course. I spent almost 2 months on Whey protein isolate and then added lactoferrin to kill of the bugs in my gut. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi At the same time as building Glutathione it may be a good idea to add some supplements that will help bulk up your stools and carry the toxins out of your body . ie probiotics. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Thanks for your reply Rich. I am now taking Immunocal, and once that runs out I am switching over to ImmunoPro. I decided on the ImmunoPro because it has more Lactoferrin and Immunoglobulins than RenewPro. I'm also being sure to eat on a daily basis vegetables that are known for raising glutathione (ie broccoli, asparagus, cabbage, etc.). Like CS, I'm also taking Tumeric, and was also considering adding NAC once or twice a week. Hi bernie ***I took Whey protein isolate for a year ( i took Lactoferrin seperately and a few other things to kill off pathogens ) and when this plateau'd this is when I added other supps to try and detangle the blockages of the different Glutathione pathways ie. Turmeric. Once I have plateau'd on Turmeric I will add Selenium and the once I have plateau'd on Selenium I will add Milk Thistle. At the same time Ill also be increasing garlic and probiotics in my diet! Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 > > ***I took Whey protein isolate for a year ( i took Lactoferrin seperately > and a few other things to kill off pathogens ) and when this plateau'd this is > when I added other supps to try and detangle the blockages of the different > Glutathione pathways ie. Turmeric. > Once I have plateau'd on Turmeric I will add Selenium and the once I have > plateau'd on Selenium I will add Milk Thistle. At the same time Ill also be > increasing garlic and probiotics in my diet! > > Hi CS - I already take Selenium and probiotics on a daily basis. I also put garlic in most everything I cook so I should be good there!! I was taking Milk Thistle a while back and was actually considering taking this again as I still have one bottle left. Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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