Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 My late son and I did this iodine test and his lasted at least a couple of days.... mine was gone within 24 hours even with 2 grains of Armour. mjh In a message dated 3/5/06 12:01:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, orchidwish@... writes: I've read this numerous times, but I'm skeptical. Does anyone know if it is really true? I wonder if the iodine doesn't just sublimate (essentially, evaporate) - no matter how long I've tried to do it, even while taking kelp supplements and T3 itself, which contains iodine, the spot of iodine on my skin always disappears, long before 24 hours is out. >If you want to check your iodine status, you can get a bottle of >tincture of iodine and make a spot on your arm with it about the size >of a quarter. Look at it 24 hours later. If it's gone, you are short >of iodine. If it's still there, you have sufficient iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I've read this numerous times, but I'm skeptical. Does anyone know if it is really true? I wonder if the iodine doesn't just sublimate (essentially, evaporate) - no matter how long I've tried to do it, even while taking kelp supplements and T3 itself, which contains iodine, the spot of iodine on my skin always disappears, long before 24 hours is out. >If you want to check your iodine status, you can get a bottle of >tincture of iodine and make a spot on your arm with it about the size >of a quarter. Look at it 24 hours later. If it's gone, you are short >of iodine. If it's still there, you have sufficient iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Rich See , MD, Tahoma Clinic and Brownstein, MD, somewhere in Michigan _http://www.drbrownstein.com/iodine.shtml_ (http://www.drbrownstein.com/iodine.shtml) In a message dated 3/5/06 8:10:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, richvank@... writes: Hi, , Bernie and the group. Well, for what it's worth, my experience has been different. I tried it repeatedly, and about the third time the spot remained after 24 hours. I don't know of any experiment done together with lab tests, though, to evaluate the iodine level. I think the chemistry would be different for fruit or vegetable dyes. It's interesting that you got this result, . How do your thyroid hormones test out? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > > I've read this numerous times, but I'm skeptical. Does anyone know if > it is really true? I wonder if the iodine doesn't just sublimate > (essentially, evaporate) - no matter how long I've tried to do it, > even while taking kelp supplements and T3 itself, which contains > iodine, the spot of iodine on my skin always disappears, long before > 24 hours is out. Hi - There is no truth to the theory of being iodine deficient if the spot disappears. If your skin gets stained by fruit or veggie dyes (ie blueberries or beets), the stain has usually disappeared by the next day. Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Hi, , Bernie and the group. Well, for what it's worth, my experience has been different. I tried it repeatedly, and about the third time the spot remained after 24 hours. I don't know of any experiment done together with lab tests, though, to evaluate the iodine level. I think the chemistry would be different for fruit or vegetable dyes. It's interesting that you got this result, . How do your thyroid hormones test out? Rich > > > > I've read this numerous times, but I'm skeptical. Does anyone know if > > it is really true? I wonder if the iodine doesn't just sublimate > > (essentially, evaporate) - no matter how long I've tried to do it, > > even while taking kelp supplements and T3 itself, which contains > > iodine, the spot of iodine on my skin always disappears, long before > > 24 hours is out. > > > Hi - There is no truth to the theory of being iodine deficient if > the spot disappears. If your skin gets stained by fruit or veggie dyes > (ie blueberries or beets), the stain has usually disappeared by the next > day. > > Take care. > > Bernie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > > Hi, , Bernie and the group. > > Well, for what it's worth, my experience has been different. I tried > it repeatedly, and about the third time the spot remained after 24 > hours. I don't know of any experiment done together with lab tests, > though, to evaluate the iodine level. > > I think the chemistry would be different for fruit or vegetable dyes. > > It's interesting that you got this result, . How do your > thyroid hormones test out? Hi Rich - I'm basing my info partly on what my doctor had told me. I had tried the iodine test for several days, and each time the stain would be gone in less than 24 hours. I also had several family members try this and they also had the same results. I didn't have any signs of having a thyroid problem and tests confirmed this. It was this same doctor who pointed out that any type of dye being painted on the skin would eventually disappear without it having any medical significance. Dr. Derry, a well known thyroid doctor here in BC had this to say about the iodine test. Just for the record this doctor was not known for following standard medical practice and eventually had his license pulled. " The 'test' of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything. The iodine disappearance rate is unrelated to thyroid disease or even iodine content of the body.(1-2) Meticulous research by Nyiri and Jannitti in 1932 showed clearly when iodine is applied to the skin in almost any form, 50% evaporates into the air within 2 hours and between 75 and 80 percent evaporates into the air within 24 hours. (1) A total of 88 percent evaporates within 3 days and it is at this point that the evaporation stops. The remaining 12 percent that is absorbed into the skin has several fates. Only 1-4% of the total iodine applied to the skin is absorbed into the blood stream within the first few hours. The rest of the iodine within the skin (8-11%) is slowly released from the skin into the blood stream. " http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Hi, Bernie. Thank you. I'm going to try to track down those references the next time I'm at the medical library. That's cool that somebody actually tested this! Maybe the rate of disappearance of the spot has more to do with the skin temperature, if it's evaporating. I'm sorry if I passed on inaccurate information. I'll check it out. Rich > > > > Hi, , Bernie and the group. > > > > Well, for what it's worth, my experience has been different. I > tried > > it repeatedly, and about the third time the spot remained after 24 > > hours. I don't know of any experiment done together with lab > tests, > > though, to evaluate the iodine level. > > > > I think the chemistry would be different for fruit or vegetable > dyes. > > > > It's interesting that you got this result, . How do your > > thyroid hormones test out? > > Hi Rich - I'm basing my info partly on what my doctor had told me. I > had tried the iodine test for several days, and each time the stain > would be gone in less than 24 hours. I also had several family > members try this and they also had the same results. I didn't have > any signs of having a thyroid problem and tests confirmed this. It > was this same doctor who pointed out that any type of dye being > painted on the skin would eventually disappear without it having any > medical significance. > > Dr. Derry, a well known thyroid doctor here in BC had this to > say about the iodine test. Just for the record this doctor was not > known for following standard medical practice and eventually had his > license pulled. > > " The 'test' of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it > disappears is not an indicator of anything. The iodine disappearance > rate is unrelated to thyroid disease or even iodine content of the > body.(1-2) Meticulous research by Nyiri and Jannitti in 1932 showed > clearly when iodine is applied to the skin in almost any form, 50% > evaporates into the air within 2 hours and between 75 and 80 percent > evaporates into the air within 24 hours. (1) A total of 88 percent > evaporates within 3 days and it is at this point that the evaporation > stops. The remaining 12 percent that is absorbed into the skin has > several fates. Only 1-4% of the total iodine applied to the skin is > absorbed into the blood stream within the first few hours. The rest > of the iodine within the skin (8-11%) is slowly released from the > skin into the blood stream. " > > http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm > > Take care. > > Bernie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Bernie, , et al, There seems some controversy about the iodine test. Please consider: if you paint your arm with red enamel, I am certain it will remain for several days unless mechanically removed. If you paint your arm with iodine it will disappear in a day or two, depending on the cellular level of iodine and osmotic pressure. If Iodine is low, the osmotic differential will literally draw the iodine thru the permeable skin. The rate of absorption should give you a relative measure of your iodine load. Please keep in mind that most Americans are iodine deficient, that iodine is necessary for onversion of T3 to T4...which accounts for much of the low grade thyroid problems that no one wants treat because your TSH is below 2 ...in spite of the fact the T3 is low ...if they even bother to test free T3. Many endocrinologists will disagree, but I believe the minimum assessment requires T4, free T3 (active form you use) ahd TSH. If TSH above 2 and free T3 low or borderline, treatment is needed. I like Armour thyroid best as it has both T3 and T4. If you can't do Armour, the best form of T4 is Levoxyl. Many believe that the iodine added to our highly adultrated salt is adequate, but iodine is a halogen and it is disabled by other halogens, including the chlorine in NaCl. Others believe they can meet their need for iodine from kelp, but the is not standardized, dosage is variable and generally too small. I have decided to buy lugols solution (potassium iodide) and use a dropper to measure a precise amount in water to insure that I am getting what my body actually requires. I believe that half or more of thyroid problems are only iodine deficiency in disguise. Mel PS: Even the chlorine is drinking water will bind the body stores of iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 > > > > > > Hi, , Bernie and the group. > > > > > > Well, for what it's worth, my experience has been different. I > > tried > > > it repeatedly, and about the third time the spot remained after > 24 > > > hours. I don't know of any experiment done together with lab > > tests, > > > though, to evaluate the iodine level. > > > > > > I think the chemistry would be different for fruit or vegetable > > dyes. > > > > > > It's interesting that you got this result, . How do your > > > thyroid hormones test out? > > > > Hi Rich - I'm basing my info partly on what my doctor had told me. > I > > had tried the iodine test for several days, and each time the > stain > > would be gone in less than 24 hours. I also had several family > > members try this and they also had the same results. I didn't have > > any signs of having a thyroid problem and tests confirmed this. It > > was this same doctor who pointed out that any type of dye being > > painted on the skin would eventually disappear without it having > any > > medical significance. > > > > Dr. Derry, a well known thyroid doctor here in BC had this > to > > say about the iodine test. Just for the record this doctor was not > > known for following standard medical practice and eventually had > his > > license pulled. > > > > " The 'test' of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it > > disappears is not an indicator of anything. The iodine > disappearance > > rate is unrelated to thyroid disease or even iodine content of the > > body.(1-2) Meticulous research by Nyiri and Jannitti in 1932 > showed > > clearly when iodine is applied to the skin in almost any form, 50% > > evaporates into the air within 2 hours and between 75 and 80 > percent > > evaporates into the air within 24 hours. (1) A total of 88 percent > > evaporates within 3 days and it is at this point that the > evaporation > > stops. The remaining 12 percent that is absorbed into the skin has > > several fates. Only 1-4% of the total iodine applied to the skin > is > > absorbed into the blood stream within the first few hours. The > rest > > of the iodine within the skin (8-11%) is slowly released from the > > skin into the blood stream. " > > > > http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm > > > > Take care. > > > > Bernie > > I am unsure of this test also. I found mine went away really fast(I have Hashi) and my sisters stayed for days and she also has Hashi. Nothing seems straightforward. This past year my TSH has soared(over 11 recently) and antibodies have increased but I dont feel any bad reactions at present, except unusual for me weight gain beyond belief. Dianne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 One thing I have found relates to where you do the spot test. Try doing it on your inner thigh and outer thigh. The results will usually be different because the skin is thinner on the inner thigh. Lee -- Re: Digest Number 4940 I've read this numerous times, but I'm skeptical. Does anyone know if it is really true? I wonder if the iodine doesn't just sublimate (essentially, evaporate) - no matter how long I've tried to do it, even while taking kelp supplements and T3 itself, which contains iodine, the spot of iodine on my skin always disappears, long before 24 hours is out. >If you want to check your iodine status, you can get a bottle of >tincture of iodine and make a spot on your arm with it about the size >of a quarter. Look at it 24 hours later. If it's gone, you are short >of iodine. If it's still there, you have sufficient iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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