Re: DMPS please reply if you know anyone who'se done it

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>

> HI everyone;

> I am looking for people who've tried or know someone who'se tried IV

DMPS;

I know lots and lots of people who made this mistake.

> if they got good results or if it hurt them.

One in 6 turn out as described at www.dmpsbackfire.com , I know some

of those people and their stories are accurate, also I know many other

people who had similar or worse experiences and are not reported there.

> I read these horror stories on

> there; but a couple of things stick out; one is that many seem to

have still

> had their fillings in;

The 1 in 6 counts only those who had no fillings or other exposure at

the time of the DMPS injection. I know of several life threatening

reactions to iv DMPS in people with no fillings. " life threatening "

is not my judgment, it was their doctor's prognosis when they called

me up to ask what to do now. One was an experienced emergency room

doctor who clearly has pretty good judgment as to what is and isn't

life threatening.

> next is that if they were gonna have a bad reaction it

> usually happened with the first IV.

Unforttunatley this is not true. Many people have it blow up on them

after several apparently fine iv's. The risks do not appear to

decline with continued use.

> Also I

> figure that if something real bad does happen from the IV's say more

than

> once per 50 people; these docs who give it would be out of business

wouldn't

> they?

No.

Mostly patients don't complain to medical boards, espeically in

alterantive medicine where the patients are really desparate for

anything that might help and usually really appreciate the doc being

willing to do this.

The adverse reaction rate is about 1 in 6 people.

The adverse reaction rate to lots of mainstream medical therapies is

much more than 1 in 50, medical licensure really doesn't protect the

public as much as you'd expect.

> The DMPS backfire people should all be millionairs after what they've

> gone through;

Apparently you are not aware of how malpractice law works.

Some of them ARE suing the doctor. It takes 5-10 years to get to a

judgment. The legal standard is thus:

permanent disability or death resulted

AND

the doctor did something no other doctor would have done in that

situation (not just that it was abad choice or hurt the patient)

AND

the doctor had reasonable reason to know better.

Pain and suffering are very hard to collect for.

Then after 5-10 years if you get a judgment it is not easy to collect it.

E. g. in a case I know of locally, a chiropractor inappropriately

adjusted a woman's neck, caused a stroke, and permanently disabled her

from anything but basically being a janitor. The court found he was

at fault but awarded no monetary damages since she was still able to

do something for a living. In order to qualify for damages disability

has to be total.

in order to qualify for pain and suffering you generally need pain of

the sort that requires narcotics to stop you from screaming.

> since the docs; according to the AMA should never give DMPS except

> in acute mercury poisoning.

The AMA doesn't try the cases. Judges and juries do under the

standards above.

> I personally know 2 people who've done DMPS who

> had fibro or CFS and they both got significant benefit from it.

I'm glad. I know dozens, about 6 in person as friends or

acquaintances, who had very careful doctors prepare them as well as

possible who then had horrible permanent worsenings.

Andy

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> >

> > HI everyone;

> > I am looking for people who've tried or know someone who'se tried IV

>DMPS;

>

In 2001 I was sure that I was starting to develop Parkinson Disease........a

24 hour heavy metal urine test turned up lots of problems. I had the

mercury fillings replaced and had about 12 IV DMPS treatments and my

Parkinson symptoms disappeared. I followed each DMPS treatment several days

later with a Vitamin and Mineral IV. I am positive for Lyme, Stealth,

Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus.

Wishing you better health,

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Hi, Andy.

I'm confused when I read this message together with your earlier one

about DMPS and DMSA. In that one, you recommended DMPS. Was that

oral, and here it's I.V.?

Rich

> >

> > HI everyone;

> > I am looking for people who've tried or know someone who'se

tried IV

> DMPS;

>

> I know lots and lots of people who made this mistake.

>

> > if they got good results or if it hurt them.

>

> One in 6 turn out as described at www.dmpsbackfire.com , I know

some

> of those people and their stories are accurate, also I know many

other

> people who had similar or worse experiences and are not reported

there.

>

> > I read these horror stories on

> > there; but a couple of things stick out; one is that many seem to

> have still

> > had their fillings in;

>

> The 1 in 6 counts only those who had no fillings or other exposure

at

> the time of the DMPS injection. I know of several life threatening

> reactions to iv DMPS in people with no fillings. " life

threatening "

> is not my judgment, it was their doctor's prognosis when they

called

> me up to ask what to do now. One was an experienced emergency room

> doctor who clearly has pretty good judgment as to what is and isn't

> life threatening.

>

> > next is that if they were gonna have a bad reaction it

> > usually happened with the first IV.

>

> Unforttunatley this is not true. Many people have it blow up on

them

> after several apparently fine iv's. The risks do not appear to

> decline with continued use.

>

> > Also I

> > figure that if something real bad does happen from the IV's say

more

> than

> > once per 50 people; these docs who give it would be out of

business

> wouldn't

> > they?

>

> No.

>

> Mostly patients don't complain to medical boards, espeically in

> alterantive medicine where the patients are really desparate for

> anything that might help and usually really appreciate the doc

being

> willing to do this.

>

> The adverse reaction rate is about 1 in 6 people.

>

> The adverse reaction rate to lots of mainstream medical therapies

is

> much more than 1 in 50, medical licensure really doesn't protect

the

> public as much as you'd expect.

>

> > The DMPS backfire people should all be millionairs after what

they've

> > gone through;

>

> Apparently you are not aware of how malpractice law works.

>

> Some of them ARE suing the doctor. It takes 5-10 years to get to a

> judgment. The legal standard is thus:

>

> permanent disability or death resulted

>

> AND

>

> the doctor did something no other doctor would have done in that

> situation (not just that it was abad choice or hurt the patient)

>

> AND

>

> the doctor had reasonable reason to know better.

>

> Pain and suffering are very hard to collect for.

>

> Then after 5-10 years if you get a judgment it is not easy to

collect it.

>

> E. g. in a case I know of locally, a chiropractor inappropriately

> adjusted a woman's neck, caused a stroke, and permanently disabled

her

> from anything but basically being a janitor. The court found he

was

> at fault but awarded no monetary damages since she was still able

to

> do something for a living. In order to qualify for damages

disability

> has to be total.

>

> in order to qualify for pain and suffering you generally need pain

of

> the sort that requires narcotics to stop you from screaming.

>

> > since the docs; according to the AMA should never give DMPS

except

> > in acute mercury poisoning.

>

> The AMA doesn't try the cases. Judges and juries do under the

> standards above.

>

> > I personally know 2 people who've done DMPS who

> > had fibro or CFS and they both got significant benefit from

it.

>

> I'm glad. I know dozens, about 6 in person as friends or

> acquaintances, who had very careful doctors prepare them as well as

> possible who then had horrible permanent worsenings.

>

>

> Andy

>

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Hi Andy,

Thank you so much for this link.

www.dmpsbackfire.com

If I ever again hear of anyone planning to use DMPS I will scream and

holler until they read that site.

Sue ,

Upstate New York

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Sue, I am planning to get genovations testing, get my methylation

cycle in order, and then do transdermal DMPS. Even tho I've read a lot

of parents doing Cutler's protocol of low dose DMSA every 3-4 hours

for their kids, with my sleep disorder from lyme it is a terrible idea

for my health to wake myself up every 4 hours. If I can get 6 hours of

uninterrupted sleep that is really good and I always have a hard time

falling back asleep since lyme. So. The half life is very important.

If you do DMSA you do have to do it every 3-4 hours. If you do DMPS

you can do it every eight hours. The problem, to me, with the IV is

that you are getting a huge amount. With oral or transdermal, you can

start low and slow and keep low constant amounts in the body, which

hoepflly will limit redistribution. But you want your methylation

cycle in order first. PRobably the folks who did really badly on DMPS

shots had poor methylation, made worse by the metals, and couldn't

detox any metals, and then the DMPS grabbed a lot and redistributed

some, which just repoisoned them. So there is a logic to my thinking

and in truth DMPS Is a bit of a stronger chelator, until we get Boyd

Haley's in what, 3-5 years, whatever, that's the best we've got.

>

> Hi Andy,

>

> Thank you so much for this link.

>

> www.dmpsbackfire.com

>

> If I ever again hear of anyone planning to use DMPS I will scream and

> holler until they read that site.

>

> Sue ,

> Upstate New York

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

What is Boyd Haley going to have (in time)!?

Your description fits me well. I don't have Lyme, but I do have

disordered sleep. DMPS in IV or oral form overwhelms me. With DMSA,

I'll do everything, multiple alarms, pills under my pillow, etc.. in

order to try and get the every 3-4 hours with the DMSA/ALA. Yet I

find myself waking up, still clutching the pill in my hand hours

after the alarms have been turned off.

I'd like to try the transdermal, but I've experienced how critical

the Cutler protocol timeline is for me, (three hours works best), so

I don't trust something that doesn't take that half-life into

consideration.

I have done some genomics testing and my methylation pathway is

blocked, along with other issues. I think it is par for the course

among " us. "

Here's to new options!!

Jess

> >

> > Hi Andy,

> >

> > Thank you so much for this link.

> >

> > www.dmpsbackfire.com

> >

> > If I ever again hear of anyone planning to use DMPS I will scream

and

> > holler until they read that site.

> >

> > Sue ,

> > Upstate New York

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

What is Boyd Haley going to have (in time)!?

Your description fits me well. I don't have Lyme, but I do have

disordered sleep. DMPS in IV or oral form overwhelms me. With DMSA,

I'll do everything, multiple alarms, pills under my pillow, etc.. in

order to try and get the every 3-4 hours with the DMSA/ALA. Yet I

find myself waking up, still clutching the pill in my hand hours

after the alarms have been turned off.

I'd like to try the transdermal, but I've experienced how critical

the Cutler protocol timeline is for me, (three hours works best), so

I don't trust something that doesn't take that half-life into

consideration.

I have done some genomics testing and my methylation pathway is

blocked, along with other issues. I think it is par for the course

among " us. "

Here's to new options!!

Jess

> >

> > Hi Andy,

> >

> > Thank you so much for this link.

> >

> > www.dmpsbackfire.com

> >

> > If I ever again hear of anyone planning to use DMPS I will scream

and

> > holler until they read that site.

> >

> > Sue ,

> > Upstate New York

> >

>

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My diagnosis is CFIDS. About six years ago my doctor realized I had a

significant mercury level and I started chelating with DMPS. At the

clinic where I am being treated, patients get a DMPS infusion every

other week, with an IV of vitamins and minerals and a glutathione push

forty-eight hours later.

It's been an arduous journey but I feel significantly better than I

used to. For the first couple of years on the DMPS I felt much worse

after each infusion, and by the time I climbed out of the yuck it was

time for another dose. Now, though, it's much easier and I hardly

notice. Occasionally I seem to get depleted and I take a break from

the routine, skipping the DMPS and just getting IV vitamins and/or

glutathione until I feel better, then I resume chelation.

The vast majority of patients in the clinic clear their mercury in

well under a year. Two other patients and I, however, have neeeded a

great deal more time than that. My doctor told me that they are

finding that people with CFIDS or a CFIDS-like situation who have been

ill a long time generally take longer to lose their heavy metals than

people who suddenly become ill and immediately begin to chelate.

I have tried DMSA and did not tolerate it at all. I got neurological

symptoms (dizziness and ringing in the ears) so I am going to do as

much as I can with DMPS and see where we go from there.

[Guest guest]

Hey !

> I had two DMPS IV's. They were a disaster for me...

How are you doing these days?

Sue ,

Upstate New York

[Guest guest]

I don't know. I just know he's working on a strong chelator, in which

I think he is adding glutathione which is a good idea.

Can you get your methylation pathways corrected with the right

supplements?

DMPS has an 8 hour half life. I also would like to reply as to

how he's doing. Clearly he can handle IV.

With transdermal, you could start with very small amounts. Of course

there is controversy about it. Those who follwo Cutler's oral DMSA

preotocol are against DMPS and say the transdermal is ineffective or

that kids regress on it ultimately or that you can't monitor uptake.

Then those who are having success with it, are thrilled. So. It's

individual. I think it would depend on an individual's body chemistry

and what their worst metals are. ALA never had an effect on me. DMSA

had a really bad effect (redsitribution--after a 50 mg challenge dose)

One thing I do know is Cutler was smart to talk about half life of a

chelator. Trying to avoid distribution is really important I think,

but also, having the right stuff to mop up distribution is important.

> > >

> > > Hi Andy,

> > >

> > > Thank you so much for this link.

> > >

> > > www.dmpsbackfire.com

> > >

> > > If I ever again hear of anyone planning to use DMPS I will scream

> and

> > > holler until they read that site.

> > >

> > > Sue ,

> > > Upstate New York

> > >

> >

>

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Hi Sue!!

At the moment I'm doing quite well - not working yet, but closing in

on it, I hope. I am taking more active care of my children, and

hopefully helping my beleagured husband out a bit.

I had been doing equally well, (maybe even a bit better on sleep

issues), last fall. But then I chelated twice, and messed the second

round up. This caused me to go backwards, and may have combined to

cause some strange drug interaction or SOMETHING, as I wound up with

scary visual hallucinations. Extremely weird, not to mention

unsettling. Now we're sure I'm okay with all that, and I'm feeling

pretty good. I can engage in some real exercise and not collapse or

even need a nap!

So I am feeling optomistic, as I am far better than I was even a year

ago.

How about you? What is happening there?

Thanks for the note..

Jess

>

> Hey !

>

> > I had two DMPS IV's. They were a disaster for me...

>

> How are you doing these days?

>

> Sue ,

> Upstate New York

>