RE: Re: Hair salon chemicals and transdermal absorption

January 23, 2006

I guess I'm shocked that people with toxic problems do things like hair color

and or/smoking. I would think the place to begin trying to heal would be to

avoid toxins at all cost, and hair colorings are so toxic. Kinda amazes me,

thats one thing we 'can' avoid, the things hidden in our foods, air, etc, we

can't do much about. I've always been shocked also at the people that will only

eat a pure diet of certain foods but continue smoking. Doesn't make sense to

me.

Marcia

Re: Re: winter colds and viruses

>

> I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia. I've never done

> this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems and standing in

> the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have a " good

> potential " for this too.

>

> I'll meet with him tomorrow afternoon, I plan to share the results

with the list, yes will be interesting to see just how many metals

they found and what levels!

>

> Marcia

>

January 23, 2006

On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Marcia wrote:

> I guess I'm shocked that people with toxic problems do things like

> hair color and or/smoking. I would think the place to begin trying

> to heal would be to avoid toxins at all cost, and hair colorings

> are so toxic. Kinda amazes me, thats one thing we 'can' avoid,

> the things hidden in our foods, air, etc, we can't do much about.

> I've always been shocked also at the people that will only eat a

> pure diet of certain foods but continue smoking. Doesn't make

> sense to me.

Not all of us with ME have " toxic problems. " Or, if we do, they're

limited to a handful of substances. The subgroup with multiple

chemical sensitivities or environmental allergies is indeed large;

but there are still a great many of us for whom this is a minor

problem (or no problem at all) in the great scheme of things.

So, yeah. I color my hair, use makeup and hair spray (and even

occasionally perfume), and it's been 15 years since I left the house

without nail polish. And, while I try to eat organic and mostly eat

at home, my food fussiness pretty much stops at avoiding soy and not

overdoing wheat. I can even have caffeine and alcohol, sparingly and

rarely, once in a while.

The disease hits different people in different ways; and we all find

our own accommodations to it. What's right for you may not be right

for me -- so judging each others' choices strikes me as rather

useless. We're all just living within our envelopes -- and those

envelopes have highly individual shapes.

Sara

January 23, 2006

Well its an overall balance. I filter my water, I use austin and iq

air filters (high end), I eat organic foods whenever I can, I never

use synthetics, I tend to get used furniture (beautiful stuff actually

locally) etc etc. But I live in NYC what are you going to do about

that? I breathe in stuff daily and have for decades. Everybody's

polluted even the arctic whales. Now there is also psychology to be

considered (and I " m going to highlight my hair again soon...I haven't

in ages). That is, if I go out with grey hair then all the men will

probably ignore me (unless I go out with a pushup bra in the middle of

winter). There is a psychological deficit to being invisible. If you

get your hair colored and blow dried and dress up a little and look

good you get a lot of positive feedback and that lifts your mood and

that affects your immune system. So I have just decided, I want my

hair colored and that's that.

Haha, good reasoning tho about the psycological factors, and the air in New

York will probably kill you before the hair color. I wasn't trying to 'judge'

people really, just pointing out that avoiding chemicals that are known to be

toxic (to the whole world, not just cfs patients) would seem like the place to

begin as far elimating sources of our problem that we do have any control over,

sounds like you've targeted and eliminated a lot of sources and weighed the

balance on the hair color.

Marcia

January 23, 2006

Well Jill, I agree with you. Glad to see a PWC with a sense of humor. Just

be careful how long they leave the gunk on. I got CFS/FM after treatment

for HCV 7 years ago. Killed the Hep but talk about toxic! SO, I guess I'll

just hang it all and go on a boat to the middle of nowhere. I live in New

Jersey and it's filthy here too. THis has happened before to my hair and it

grew in. I have to go darker. So much for vanity! I wish we could all get

together and really compare notes, see what may be going on. PS I have been

coloring my hair since I'm 16. Never had problems until I got sick.

Carole

Re: Re: winter colds and viruses

>> >

>> > I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia. I've never

> done

>> > this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems and

> standing in

>> > the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have a " good

>> > potential " for this too.

>> >

>> > I'll meet with him tomorrow afternoon, I plan to share the results

>> with the list, yes will be interesting to see just how many metals

>> they found and what levels!

>> >

>> > Marcia

>> >

January 23, 2006

Sara, Thank you for your attitude. My husband has CFS and has been highly

careful living in the UK his whole life. He met me on this site, I visited,

he came back to the US with me, we got married over 3 1/2 yrs ago. He did

everything right and still got sick, I guess is the point. Funny thing, now

he is Much, much better than he was in a better environment!

Carole

Re: Re: Hair salon chemicals and transdermal

absorption

>

> On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Marcia wrote:

>

>> I guess I'm shocked that people with toxic problems do things like

>> hair color and or/smoking. I would think the place to begin trying

>> to heal would be to avoid toxins at all cost, and hair colorings

>> are so toxic. Kinda amazes me, thats one thing we 'can' avoid,

>> the things hidden in our foods, air, etc, we can't do much about.

>> I've always been shocked also at the people that will only eat a

>> pure diet of certain foods but continue smoking. Doesn't make

>> sense to me.

>

> Not all of us with ME have " toxic problems. " Or, if we do, they're

> limited to a handful of substances. The subgroup with multiple

> chemical sensitivities or environmental allergies is indeed large;

> but there are still a great many of us for whom this is a minor

> problem (or no problem at all) in the great scheme of things.

>

> So, yeah. I color my hair, use makeup and hair spray (and even

> occasionally perfume), and it's been 15 years since I left the house

> without nail polish. And, while I try to eat organic and mostly eat

> at home, my food fussiness pretty much stops at avoiding soy and not

> overdoing wheat. I can even have caffeine and alcohol, sparingly and

> rarely, once in a while.

>

> The disease hits different people in different ways; and we all find

> our own accommodations to it. What's right for you may not be right

> for me -- so judging each others' choices strikes me as rather

> useless. We're all just living within our envelopes -- and those

> envelopes have highly individual shapes.

>

> Sara

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

January 24, 2006

,

I worked for vet clinics for years and the rec. for very sick dogs was lamb and

rice. I never heard about giving them potatoes. Maybe thats changed in these

last years tho.

Marcia

Re: Re: winter colds and

> > viruses

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia.

I've

> > never

> > > done

> > > > > this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems

and

> > > standing in

> > > > > the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have

a " good

> > > > > potential " for this too.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'll meet with him tomorrow afternoon, I plan to share

the

> > results

> > > > with the list, yes will be interesting to see just how many

> > metals

> > > > they found and what levels!

> > > > >

> > > > > Marcia

> > > > >

January 24, 2006

Marcia wrote:

> ,

>

> I worked for vet clinics for years and the rec. for very sick dogs was lamb

and rice. I never heard about giving them potatoes. Maybe thats changed in these

last years tho.

>

> Marcia

> Re: Re: winter colds and

> > > viruses

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'd like to hear your metals test results, Marcia.

> I've

> > > never

> > > > done

> > > > > > this and certainly, between the teeth/bridge problems

> and

> > > > standing in

> > > > > > the yard soaking in pesticide to kill fleas, I have

> a " good

> > > > > > potential " for this too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'll meet with him tomorrow afternoon, I plan to share

> the

> > > results

> > > > > with the list, yes will be interesting to see just how many

> > > metals

> > > > > they found and what levels!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marcia

> > > > > >

January 24, 2006

Hi Marcia et al,

I like these sort of girlie issues - if a little off topic. I too have

tried every natural colourant under the sun but even if I use a blonde

they still go black on my very dark brown hair - weird - and they don't

cover the grey. I too have reverted to the rather more chemically

saturated colours but looking back over the last 30 years of colouring

my hair (not that often though) I see absolutely no correlation with

doing so and ill health. Of course I realise that there could be a

longer more discreet accumulation of toxicity from these products, but

on balance I too agree that the feel-good 'babe' factor (I wish!) is so

much more important for our overall wellbeing. IF I noticed a definite

adverse correlation then obviously I would make different choices, but

as it is vanity wins hands down!

Rosie