Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Rich, I mistakenly bought IP-6 and trying to make use of it. I tried it couple of times but everytime I tried it gave me a toxic feeling the next day. I also feel little depressed. Actually I did not like the feeling it gave me.I wonder if that means it is detoxing me or if it does not fit me.Could not decide if I should continue using it. Do you have any insights? Best wishes nil Re: Rich: magnesium stearate > Hi, Dan. > > I'm not aware of any ways that choline or inositol stimulate bile > function specifically, but they do play important roles in the body. > Choline is an essential nutrient, and is important for making cell > membrane phospholipids and acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter. > Inositol is important for cell signalling and is also thought to have > some anticancer activity. I have personally taken inositol > hexaphosphate and inositol to help head off recurrence of colorectal > cancer. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:04:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, brfifield@... writes: Straight calcium supplements also cause severe chest spasms, leg and feet cramps. I have gone as high as 3x the ratio of magnesium to try to offset these effects but it makes no difference. I have talked to numerous people about this in an attempt to understand why this happens and the significance of it but have never found anyone who could offer an explanation. There are other supplements that severely increase pain in me as well. MSM is one that comes to mind right now Barbara Have you tried a transdermal Magnesium? I was initially thinking of suggesting EPsom salt (Mg SO4) but the sulfate may be a challenge for you. Crushed Mag tablets made into a paste with water, applied to thin skin area and help in place by a large bandaid may be something you want to consider. Hope this helps mjh mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Hi, Nil. According to the PDR for Nutritional Supplements, inositol hexaphosphate (also called phytate, found naturally in grains) is a strong chelator for doubly positively charged ions, such as calcium, magnesium and zinc. If you took it together with food or mineral supplements, perhaps it was binding one or more of these and carrying them out in the stools, so that you were unable to absorb enough of them. That's the only thing I know of that IP-6 can do that could be a problem. I take mine between meals for that reason. Rich > > Rich, > > I mistakenly bought IP-6 and trying to make use of it. I tried it couple of > times but everytime I tried it gave me a toxic feeling the next day. I also > feel little depressed. Actually I did not like the feeling it gave me.I > wonder if that means it is detoxing me or if it does not fit me.Could not > decide if I should continue using it. Do you have any insights? Best wishes > nil > Re: Rich: magnesium stearate > > > > Hi, Dan. > > > > I'm not aware of any ways that choline or inositol stimulate bile > > function specifically, but they do play important roles in the body. > > Choline is an essential nutrient, and is important for making cell > > membrane phospholipids and acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter. > > Inositol is important for cell signalling and is also thought to have > > some anticancer activity. I have personally taken inositol > > hexaphosphate and inositol to help head off recurrence of colorectal > > cancer. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Hi Rich, Thanks for your answer. I was taking it just before retiring. Best wishes nil Re: Rich: /IP6 > Hi, Nil. > > According to the PDR for Nutritional Supplements, inositol > hexaphosphate (also called phytate, found naturally in grains) is a > strong chelator for doubly positively charged ions, such as calcium, > magnesium and zinc. If you took it together with food or mineral > supplements, perhaps it was binding one or more of these and > carrying them out in the stools, so that you were unable to absorb > enough of them. That's the only thing I know of that IP-6 can do > that could be a problem. I take mine between meals for that reason. > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Nil I think there might be some useful info on IP-6 on the hop alive site. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hi, Barbara. That's really strange. Have you had your parathyroid hormone measured? How about the level of calcium in your blood? Rich > > Hi Rich, > > I'm glad you replied. Thanks for your interest. > > The IP6 was from calcium magnesium phytate but any supplement with calcium in it at all significantly increases the overall pain that I'm in and within such a short time of taking it. It just keeps intensifying the longer I'm on it until it's unbearable and I have to give it up. It also makes me more and more tired. Straight calcium supplements also cause severe chest spasms, leg and feet cramps. I have gone as high as 3x the ratio of magnesium to try to offset these effects but it makes no difference. I have talked to numerous people about this in an attempt to understand why this happens and the significance of it but have never found anyone who could offer an explanation. There are other supplements that severely increase pain in me as well. MSM is one that comes to mind right now. But with MSM I also get freezing cold internally for hours (as I do with a lot of the sulphur supplements). > > As I am looking at Recuperation, the calcium content is a concern. It only contains a small amount but with me that is all it takes. > > Thanks Rich, > Barbara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Interesting idea, mjh as I do have a problem getting enough magnesium into me. I get about 500 mg magnesium citrate daily and have gone as high as 1500 mg. for short periods of time. Thanks for the suggestion. Barbara From: foxhillers@... Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Rich: /IP6 In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:04:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, brfifield@... writes: Straight calcium supplements also cause severe chest spasms, leg and feet cramps. I have gone as high as 3x the ratio of magnesium to try to offset these effects but it makes no difference. I have talked to numerous people about this in an attempt to understand why this happens and the significance of it but have never found anyone who could offer an explanation. There are other supplements that severely increase pain in me as well. MSM is one that comes to mind right now Barbara Have you tried a transdermal Magnesium? I was initially thinking of suggesting EPsom salt (Mg SO4) but the sulfate may be a challenge for you. Crushed Mag tablets made into a paste with water, applied to thin skin area and help in place by a large bandaid may be something you want to consider. Hope this helps mjh mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Rich, I only wish I knew where to go for any testing or knowledgeable medical practitioners up here in Ontario. Been searching for last couple of years. Barbara Re: Rich: /IP6 Hi, Barbara. That's really strange. Have you had your parathyroid hormone measured? How about the level of calcium in your blood? Rich > > Hi Rich, > > I'm glad you replied. Thanks for your interest. > > The IP6 was from calcium magnesium phytate but any supplement with calcium in it at all significantly increases the overall pain that I'm in and within such a short time of taking it. It just keeps intensifying the longer I'm on it until it's unbearable and I have to give it up. It also makes me more and more tired. Straight calcium supplements also cause severe chest spasms, leg and feet cramps. I have gone as high as 3x the ratio of magnesium to try to offset these effects but it makes no difference. I have talked to numerous people about this in an attempt to understand why this happens and the significance of it but have never found anyone who could offer an explanation. There are other supplements that severely increase pain in me as well. MSM is one that comes to mind right now. But with MSM I also get freezing cold internally for hours (as I do with a lot of the sulphur supplements). > > As I am looking at Recuperation, the calcium content is a concern. It only contains a small amount but with me that is all it takes. > > Thanks Rich, > Barbara > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Cs thanks.I will check the site. Rich, what about hg++? Is there a possibilty of binding it? best wishes nil Re: Re: Rich: /IP6 > Nil > > I think there might be some useful info on IP-6 on the hop alive site. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Hi, Nil. I suspect that IP6 (phytate) would bind mercuric ions (Hg++), because its ionic radius is only a little larger than that of calcium, and I know it binds calcium. I wasn't able to find anything on this is PubMed, but you might be interested in a study on wheat bran, which was low in phytate. It is below. In any case, the mercuric ions would have to be in the lumen of the gut for these things to bind them. For that, one needs glutathione to carry it out in the bile. I think the fiber can help once that has occured. Rich J Agric Food Chem. 1999 Nov;47(11):4714-7. An in vitro study of wheat bran binding capacity for Hg, Cd, and Pb. Ou S, Gao K, Li Y. Research Center of Food Science and Technology, Jinan University, Guangzhou 510632, People's Republic of China. Water-soluble dietary fiber (WSDF), water-insoluble dietary fiber (WIDF) from wheat bran, and the carboxymethylated product of WIDF (CIDF), all having low contents of protein, ash, and phytic acid, were evaluated for their scavenging capacity for three heavy metals, Hg, Cd, and Pb. The results showed that WIDF had higher BC(max) (maximum amount of bound heavy metal ions) and BC(min) values (minimum concentration of heavy metal ions below which the ions cannot be bound by dietary fibers) than WSDF at two pH conditions (pH 2.0 and 7.0). Carboxymethylation of WIDF improved its binding capacity for heavy metals (increase in BC(max) and decrease in BC (min)). The pH value significantly affected the binding capacity for heavy metals; BC(max) sharply increased and BC(min) sharply decreased for each heavy metal ion for all of the dietary fibers when the pH was raised from 2.0 to 7.0. The binding capacity of dietary fibers for heavy metals was slightly affected by amino acids, calcium, iron, and zinc but significantly affected by copper. Colon fermentation released part of the heavy metal ions from dietary fibers. From the results it can be concluded that dietary fibers from wheat bran can effectively bind all three tested metal ions to prevent the body from being affected by their toxicity. PMID: 10552878 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > Rich, > > what about hg++? Is there a possibilty of binding it? > > best wishes > nil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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