re: Vitamin D & Immune system

[Guest guest]

I'm doing much better on a high dose of vitamin D.

I'm even getting up and cooking breakfast in the morning if you can believe

that. My MRI showed no demyelination on my spine, only one brain lesion. The

muscle spasms in my legs and left eyelid have completely stopped. My muscle

strength is much improved, and I did not think that was possible because my

muscles are so infiltrated with scar tissue. My blood is starting to look a

little less like molasses and more like blood.

There are several reasons why it might help PWC's. It's a blood thinner potent

enough to be used as rat poison (so DON " T take it with heparin). It's

anti-inflammatory, especially in the intestine. It has an effect on the calpain

in lymphocytes that isn't well understood. By regulating calcium it also has a

calming effect and helps normalize nerve conductivity. BUT....

No one should take a high dose of vitamin D without evaluating the phosphorous/

calcium/ magnesium ratio you're getting. I believe the potential for toxicity is

exaggerated by those who don't think anyone should take supplements, but you do

need to take it in a proper proportion to calcium. You can create a whole new

set of problems. Take only the natural lipid soluble vitamin D. If you take

3,000 units, for example, you will need 1500 mg each of calcium and phosphorous,

and 750 mg of magnesium. So in a way, the amount of vitamin D you can take is

somewhat limited by your bowel tolerance for magnesium. Phosphorous is so

abundant in whole foods it's not necessary to supplement, and if you drink soda

you're probably getting way too much. That amount of calcium can be supplied

half by foods and half by supplements. There is no way to get adequate magnesium

from commercially grown foods. Some studies done in the 1960's indicated that

taking vitamin C with vitamin D would prevent toxicity.

The RDA for vitamin D, 400 IU won't help you any more than the RDA of 15 IU of

vitamin E or 75mg of vitamin C will. And remember too, that getting vitamin D

from sunshine might be ideal, but not realistic for most of us. If you're

walking around naked several hours a day in a temperate climate (without

bathing) then you probably do get all the vitamin D you need from sunshine : )

Message: 25

Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:36:32 -0000

From: feige2see@...

Subject: Vitamin D & immune system

Reuters article yesterday,vitamin D useful in M.S. patients by having

effect on cytokines.What do the people out there think of vit. D

supplements for CFS?

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting because my condition has always improved between

May and September and then begins to decline in October. Maybe it's the

extra Vit. D I'm getting from the sunshine?

Re: re: Vitamin D & Immune system

> In a message dated 4/12/01 8:01:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> faerytails@... writes:

>

>

> > If you're walking around naked several hours a day in a temperate

climate

> > (without bathing) then you probably do get all the vitamin D you need

from

> > sunshine : )

> >

>

> Could explain though why I have always done better in the summertime.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In article I posted about Vit.D the study for M.S.patients was

25mcg.a day How does that come out to when measured in I.U. on

vitamin bottles.

> This is very interesting because my condition has always improved

between

> May and September and then begins to decline in October. Maybe

it's the

> extra Vit. D I'm getting from the sunshine?

> Re: re: Vitamin D & Immune system

>

>

> > In a message dated 4/12/01 8:01:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > faerytails@w... writes:

> >

> >

> > > If you're walking around naked several hours a day in a

temperate

> climate

> > > (without bathing) then you probably do get all the vitamin D

you need

> from

> > > sunshine : )

> > >

> >

> > Could explain though why I have always done better in the

summertime.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi all -

> In article I posted about Vit.D the study for M.S.patients was

> 25mcg.a day How does that come out to when measured in I.U. on

> vitamin bottles

according to Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible 40 IU = 1 mcg.. Life Extension Mix

Powder ( a multi) has 300 IU, my can of Sparx has D3 as 800 IU.

this raises another question, if there is a D3, is there a D1,2, and 4?

Judith

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/12/01 5:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

feige2see@... writes:

> In article I posted about Vit.D the study for M.S.patients was

> 25mcg.a day How does that come out to when measured in I.U. on

>

My Advanced Daily by NutriNeeds has 400iu. Is 400 4/10 of 1mcg or a totally

different measurement altogether?

[Guest guest]

Judith Gilbert wrote:

>

> hi all -

>

> > In article I posted about Vit.D the study for M.S.patients was

> > 25mcg.a day How does that come out to when measured in I.U. on

> > vitamin bottles

>

> according to Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible 40 IU = 1 mcg.. Life Extension Mix

> Powder ( a multi) has 300 IU, my can of Sparx has D3 as 800 IU.

>

> this raises another question, if there is a D3, is there a D1,2, and 4?

I know there is D2 which is supposed to be made from yeast. D3 is made

from bovine whatever, which I prefer to avoid. Did (sorry, can't

remember name) who posted about the " natural lipid soluble VitD " ever

say what brand? I need to go researching. TIA

MA

[Guest guest]

Snap on the seasonal variation of symptoms. Bell has

commented on the " October Factor " before. Perhaps we

should all pay more attention to this illness

moderator. One early theory I had was mould

sensitivity but I have discounted this now. Currently

I think that it is to do with hypercoagulation. The

incidence of strokes goes up in cold weather due to

the coagulating effect this has on the blood. I have

also noticed a clear correlation with low pressure

weather systems and symptoms patterns. In a

depression I feel alot worse and energy levels bottom

out. This could be to do with the barrow receptors in

the nose.

Bob

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Message: 11

Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:19:49 -0700

From: " Bullock " <bullocks@...>

Subject: Re: re: Vitamin D & Immune system

This is very interesting because my condition has

always improved

between

May and September and then begins to decline in

October. Maybe it's

the

extra Vit. D I'm getting from the sunshine?

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[Guest guest]

> I have

> also noticed a clear correlation with low pressure

> weather systems and symptoms patterns. In a

> depression I feel alot worse and energy levels bottom

> out. This could be to do with the barrow receptors in

> the nose.

>

> Bob

I get horrible headaches when the barometric pressure drops. I am

just getting over one. I put 'barometric pressure and headache'

into a search engine last night and came up with a ton of URLs,

so a lot of other non CFS types get these too. One doc referred to

" baroreceptors " in the neck which are glands (?) that work to keep

pressure in the head normalized. This info isn't related to this

thread, but I thought I would throw it in.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Sometimes I wonder how many " non CFS " types have the same things going on

as us but not to the degree. My " barometric pressure " headaches still

went away with heparin and abx. Maybe other people have hypercoag blood

and don't know it. Or some other type of thing like that.

Cindi

kmcamp22@...

04/13/01 02:33 PM

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Subject: Re: Vitamin D & Immune system

> I have

> also noticed a clear correlation with low pressure

> weather systems and symptoms patterns. In a

> depression I feel alot worse and energy levels bottom

> out. This could be to do with the barrow receptors in

> the nose.

>

> Bob

I get horrible headaches when the barometric pressure drops. I am

just getting over one. I put 'barometric pressure and headache'

into a search engine last night and came up with a ton of URLs,

so a lot of other non CFS types get these too. One doc referred to

" baroreceptors " in the neck which are glands (?) that work to keep

pressure in the head normalized. This info isn't related to this

thread, but I thought I would throw it in.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> Sometimes I wonder how many " non CFS " types have the same things

going on

> as us but not to the degree. My " barometric pressure " headaches

still

> went away with heparin and abx. Maybe other people have hypercoag

blood

> and don't know it. Or some other type of thing like that.

> Cindi

That is interesting. My sed rate runs 0-1, but i haven't done the

ISAC yet. I will bring up the heparin tx w/ my pain doc.

Mike