Re: Ideas?

[Guest guest]

Charmayne,

Will your son refuse to eat if you tell him no food without taking

the enzymes in some liquid?

Here are a few things that have been mentioned for mixing (I know

you've already tried some of them):

juice (he'll be able to taste them in this one for sure)

frozen juice concentrate

honey (I use this to mix supplements sometimes)

maple syrup (sometimes has casein in it)

peanutbutter

pop

Below is something I posted about a masking syrup. You might also

try your local pharmacy.

A friend sent me the following information on a masking syrup:

" Just an FYI....I ordered this compounding-grade supplement mask (in

raspberry)

from Humco (1-800-662-3435) -- it's great!!! I just open up the

capsules

and mix w/ 1 tsp. of this syrup and she takes it fine (a pretty big

accomplishment since I'm trying to make B-complex palatable!) With

S & H, tax,

the total came to 12.80 for a 16-oz bottle. (I also verified w/ the

owner that

it is GFCF/soy/yeast/egg free). "

Please post again if you need more advice. Maybe we can brainstorm

and come up with something. Does bribery work?! My son has a reward

system using colored links that connect to make a chain. When the

chain touches the floor, he gets a reward.

> I need ideas for giving the enzymes. My son is VERY PICKY and not

on

> the gfcf. I managed to get 3 doses in on Friday and 2 on

Saturday.

> The forcing is out of the question; he's 7 weighs 72 lbs so can put

> up a pretty good fight. Nor do I want him to get hurt in a fight.

> He's one that if you end up pissing him off in a fight you can just

> hang it up until another day.

>

> He will drink water, lemonade, and pretty much any soft drink. He

> will not take them in capsule form. Will take med in liquid or

> chewable very easily, but is really balking on this.

>

> I need ideas fast. We frequent a local pizza buffet every Sunday

> after church. Normally Pepperoni pizza is the only thing you have

to

> put on Tyler's plate. Yesterday he was stealing white cheese pizza

> from my husband and my plate. He also nearly gave his Dad a heart

> attack when he asked if he could have a piece of cheese bread, and

ATE

> IT. He even lied to us. I asked him where the capsule that

> was laying on the counter was and he said, " I don't know. " I

> found it in the trash. He's manipulative, but has never lied.

> Needless to say this stuff works!

>

> He is stimming (hand flapping) twice as much and HYPER. I know

these

> are both reactions to the enzymes, but just from 1 1/2 days worth.

I

> need answers quick so I can continue the process.

>

> I tried mixing with pudding and it became chocolate milk. That

stuff

> works FAST. Have also given it in lemonade and tried coke, but he

got

> wise to it. Even mixed it when he wasn't looking.

>

> Really at a loss for ideas here. Thanks in advance, and Devin

thanks

> for creating such a wonderful products.

>

> Charmayne

[Guest guest]

I'm going to give Jolene credit for the masking syrup since she is

now a member here. Thanks!

> > I need ideas for giving the enzymes. My son is VERY PICKY and

not

> on

> > the gfcf. I managed to get 3 doses in on Friday and 2 on

> Saturday.

> > The forcing is out of the question; he's 7 weighs 72 lbs so can

put

> > up a pretty good fight. Nor do I want him to get hurt in a

fight.

> > He's one that if you end up pissing him off in a fight you can

just

> > hang it up until another day.

> >

> > He will drink water, lemonade, and pretty much any soft drink.

He

> > will not take them in capsule form. Will take med in liquid or

> > chewable very easily, but is really balking on this.

> >

> > I need ideas fast. We frequent a local pizza buffet every Sunday

> > after church. Normally Pepperoni pizza is the only thing you

have

> to

> > put on Tyler's plate. Yesterday he was stealing white cheese

pizza

> > from my husband and my plate. He also nearly gave his Dad a

heart

> > attack when he asked if he could have a piece of cheese bread,

and

> ATE

> > IT. He even lied to us. I asked him where the capsule that

> > was laying on the counter was and he said, " I don't know. " I

> > found it in the trash. He's manipulative, but has never lied.

> > Needless to say this stuff works!

> >

> > He is stimming (hand flapping) twice as much and HYPER. I know

> these

> > are both reactions to the enzymes, but just from 1 1/2 days

worth.

> I

> > need answers quick so I can continue the process.

> >

> > I tried mixing with pudding and it became chocolate milk. That

> stuff

> > works FAST. Have also given it in lemonade and tried coke, but

he

> got

> > wise to it. Even mixed it when he wasn't looking.

> >

> > Really at a loss for ideas here. Thanks in advance, and Devin

> thanks

> > for creating such a wonderful products.

> >

> > Charmayne

[Guest guest]

If it were me, I would say, " No enzyme, no pizza (or anything else). "

And let him go hungry until he got hungry enough to coorperative.

Otherwise, peanut butter hides a lot of stuff if he will have it on a

spoon or peanut butter cracker. The boys usually take capsules over

mixing so I haven't had to be so creative. We put it in diet coke or

Diet Rite has a new red raspberry with no aspartame, and that is

okay. In milk or water doesn't go over well here. I have mixed the

enzyme in a couple of tablespoons of applesauce and immediately fed

it to them. You are right, they enzymes work FAST, so at least you

know what is happening in your stomach! Maybe if you do the pudding

thing again, but only use a small amount to mix and then feed him the

one or two spoonfuls FAST.

The sneaking is a pain. Sorry to hear he is not being so cooperative.

Hope this gets you through the day. Let us know how it works.

.

> I need ideas for giving the enzymes. My son is VERY PICKY and not

on

> the gfcf. I managed to get 3 doses in on Friday and 2 on

Saturday.

> The forcing is out of the question; he's 7 weighs 72 lbs so can put

> up a pretty good fight. Nor do I want him to get hurt in a fight.

> He's one that if you end up pissing him off in a fight you can just

> hang it up until another day.

>

> He will drink water, lemonade, and pretty much any soft drink. He

> will not take them in capsule form. Will take med in liquid or

> chewable very easily, but is really balking on this.

>

> I need ideas fast. We frequent a local pizza buffet every Sunday

> after church. Normally Pepperoni pizza is the only thing you have

to

> put on Tyler's plate. Yesterday he was stealing white cheese pizza

> from my husband and my plate. He also nearly gave his Dad a heart

> attack when he asked if he could have a piece of cheese bread, and

ATE

> IT. He even lied to us. I asked him where the capsule that

> was laying on the counter was and he said, " I don't know. " I

> found it in the trash. He's manipulative, but has never lied.

> Needless to say this stuff works!

>

> He is stimming (hand flapping) twice as much and HYPER. I know

these

> are both reactions to the enzymes, but just from 1 1/2 days worth.

I

> need answers quick so I can continue the process.

>

> I tried mixing with pudding and it became chocolate milk. That

stuff

> works FAST. Have also given it in lemonade and tried coke, but he

got

> wise to it. Even mixed it when he wasn't looking.

>

> Really at a loss for ideas here. Thanks in advance, and Devin

thanks

> for creating such a wonderful products.

>

> Charmayne

[Guest guest]

My kids were standing right there when I mixed it in applesauce, but

I wasn't having to be sneaky. I thought of chocolate milk, but again

the enzymes will act on it pretty fast so he would need to be there

and drink it up.

How about a tablespoon of chocolate syrup? I don't know if he would

need to be there. Since this may become a routine, you might just

want to have a " talk " with him and say, " Look, you need to take this.

It keeps you from getting sick. You choose how you want to take

this. "

When my kids complain or forget, I say very frankly " Either take the

enzyme OR eat the weird GFCF stuff from the health food store. Your

choice. " That usually ends it. Maybe bring home a loaf of GF bread

and let him try it. (I better stop here before I get myself in

trouble. LOL)

If I think of anything else, I let you know.

.

> The peanut butter is a good idea. Will have to try that. He will

eat

> peanut butter crackers, but isn't very fond of them. Hey, I'll try

> anything.

>

> Giving the pudding fast after mixing is a good idea as well, but as

> fast as it diluted the pudding yesterday I'm afraid he would have

to

> be standing right there in order for me to give it and that kind of

> does away with the whole idea of sneaking.

>

> I may just have to buy a rainbow of Kool-Aide and frozen juices and

> keep trying.

>

> I won't be doing this until supper time. I work full time and my

MIL

> keeps him during the day. I usually try to do all the mean stuff

and

> come up with a plan before having her give supplements, etc. She's

> good with him, but won't be cruel. I guess that's Mom's job.

>

> We tried Diet Coke (I'm an addict), but he wasn't fooled. Guess I

> could have put it in the can rather than pouring some in a cup, but

> that would have been hard to mix up.

>

> Boy isn't it fun being a Mom sometimes. This autism business is

just

> trial and error. Guess that's why God blessed me with an autistic

> child, to teach me more patience and to give my life some more

trial

> and error.

>

> Thank you for your responses. If you come up with anymore ideas

let

> me know.

>

> Charmayne

[Guest guest]

LOL. Three of the main reason I haven't done the gfcf are: his picky

eating habits, the food would taste bad, and we live in a very rural

area. I would have to purchase the food off of the internet. I don't

do the grocery store (my husband is good for something) at all. The

selections here are near to impossible. I guess you do what you have

to do, but was just fixing to jump on the gfcf train when I ran across

some info on the enzymes and decided to give them a try.

Chocolate syrup? Could start giving a med cup full before a meal, and

get in the habit then slip in the enzymes. Might work. We'll have to

try that.

I'm probably going to have the best luck with the Kool-Aide.

I could be mean and tell him he wasn't going to eat til.... My

husband nor my MIL would be able to do that. They are both softies,

but very good with him.

Thanks for the additional ideas. I appreciate them.

Charmayne

-- In @y..., kjorn@t... wrote:

> My kids were standing right there when I mixed it in applesauce, but

> I wasn't having to be sneaky. I thought of chocolate milk, but again

> the enzymes will act on it pretty fast so he would need to be there

> and drink it up.

>

> How about a tablespoon of chocolate syrup? I don't know if he would

> need to be there. Since this may become a routine, you might just

> want to have a " talk " with him and say, " Look, you need to take this.

> It keeps you from getting sick. You choose how you want to take

> this. "

>

> When my kids complain or forget, I say very frankly " Either take the

> enzyme OR eat the weird GFCF stuff from the health food store. Your

> choice. " That usually ends it. Maybe bring home a loaf of GF bread

> and let him try it. (I better stop here before I get myself in

> trouble. LOL)

>

> If I think of anything else, I let you know.

> .

>

>

>

> > The peanut butter is a good idea. Will have to try that. He will

> eat

> > peanut butter crackers, but isn't very fond of them. Hey, I'll

try

> > anything.

> >

> > Giving the pudding fast after mixing is a good idea as well, but

as

> > fast as it diluted the pudding yesterday I'm afraid he would have

> to

> > be standing right there in order for me to give it and that kind

of

> > does away with the whole idea of sneaking.

> >

> > I may just have to buy a rainbow of Kool-Aide and frozen juices

and

> > keep trying.

> >

> > I won't be doing this until supper time. I work full time and my

> MIL

> > keeps him during the day. I usually try to do all the mean stuff

> and

> > come up with a plan before having her give supplements, etc.

She's

> > good with him, but won't be cruel. I guess that's Mom's job.

> >

> > We tried Diet Coke (I'm an addict), but he wasn't fooled. Guess I

> > could have put it in the can rather than pouring some in a cup,

but

> > that would have been hard to mix up.

> >

> > Boy isn't it fun being a Mom sometimes. This autism business is

> just

> > trial and error. Guess that's why God blessed me with an autistic

> > child, to teach me more patience and to give my life some more

> trial

> > and error.

> >

> > Thank you for your responses. If you come up with anymore ideas

> let

> > me know.

> >

> > Charmayne

[Guest guest]

Charmayne,

My son did not complain about taking the enzymes in Kool-Aid, but

then he's giddy to be off the diet after a year of it. He begged for

that new Kool-Aid that changes colors and has a flavor that doesn't

match the color.

> > > The peanut butter is a good idea. Will have to try that. He

will

> > eat

> > > peanut butter crackers, but isn't very fond of them. Hey, I'll

> try

> > > anything.

> > >

> > > Giving the pudding fast after mixing is a good idea as well,

but

> as

> > > fast as it diluted the pudding yesterday I'm afraid he would

have

> > to

> > > be standing right there in order for me to give it and that

kind

> of

> > > does away with the whole idea of sneaking.

> > >

> > > I may just have to buy a rainbow of Kool-Aide and frozen juices

> and

> > > keep trying.

> > >

> > > I won't be doing this until supper time. I work full time and

my

> > MIL

> > > keeps him during the day. I usually try to do all the mean

stuff

> > and

> > > come up with a plan before having her give supplements, etc.

> She's

> > > good with him, but won't be cruel. I guess that's Mom's job.

> > >

> > > We tried Diet Coke (I'm an addict), but he wasn't fooled.

Guess I

> > > could have put it in the can rather than pouring some in a cup,

> but

> > > that would have been hard to mix up.

> > >

> > > Boy isn't it fun being a Mom sometimes. This autism business

is

> > just

> > > trial and error. Guess that's why God blessed me with an

autistic

> > > child, to teach me more patience and to give my life some more

> > trial

> > > and error.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your responses. If you come up with anymore

ideas

> > let

> > > me know.

> > >

> > > Charmayne

[Guest guest]

Hey Charmayne!!

First thing you already know because of my previous email, but I will

remind you because it is still very much on my mind, these enzymes can

make you feel NASTY. So if your son is hiding them etc, and actually

LYING to you when he never did that before, you might want to keep it

to only one meal a day for a while, so he can adjust or something. I

crashed BAD after only lunch and dinner one day and breakfast the next

day, so same as your 1-1/2 days worth. That was ALL I could handle,

well, I could not even handle that much, and still 2 weeks later I am

feeling the effects.

Okay for my #2 son, I mix his enzyme with honey and spread it on a

small corner of his pancakes or sandwich or whatever, then he eats

that piece first. I am completely at a loss as to this quick reaction

everyone here sees when mixing it, but maybe that is because honey is

so thick? I don't know, but I don't see much breakdown of the honey

at all, even tho I use 2 capsules and even a few minutes later when he

starts eating it, I don't see much difference, if any, in the surface

of the food. You might want to consider trying a little honey if your

son will eat honey.

Or maybe they don't work very well with honey and that is why I have

to use two capsules?

Otherwise I give my son a choice, either I put the whole capsules on

the back of his tongue a few minutes before he eats, or he eats it

mixed in the first few bites of his food. He generally chooses mixed

in the first few bites of food, but he is not really a picky eater and

so that is not generally a problem.

Well I am glad to see that enzymes might help your son. Good luck!!

[Guest guest]

Some research I did a year or so ago into my own son's problems suggested

that JRA is sometimes linked to the presence of rubella (German measles)

virus. Did your son have rubella or the rubella vaccination?

Anne

ideas?

> on cannot have dairy. He got juvenile rheumatoid arthritis at age

three (he only ever had cheese and butter anyway and soy milk). When dairy

was completely eliminated he went into remission -and treated for leaky gut.

When, 6 months later he was re-challenged, same thing happened - three hot

joints. I have been giving him dairy since we've been on enzymes and seemed

to be going OK, but now he has a hot joint (maybe 2) again. I'm so upset. Do

you think it will get better as his gut heals more or is there something

else (ie virus causing autoimmune reaction) that I should be looking at?

> Thanks a lot

> Prue

>

>

>

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r u giving him liver? i have been a week without it and am noticing

it.

am i singing to the sky or something?

lamb brains

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u can supplement until the cows come home but you will never get

suplements 100th of a percent as good as these foods.

joints can be autoimmune which some midday sun would help but you

still have to wait until the ozone hill over the bottom half of

australia falls a little. another couple of weeks at least. i am not

going to spend the next winter in tasmania unless i am dead.

the other thing about joints is heavy metals impairement of sulphur.

nutra-sense arthro-aid which is glucosamine hydrochloride can help

but its not cheap.

yeah the whole business is depressing.

> on cannot have dairy. He got juvenile rheumatoid arthritis at

age three (he only ever had cheese and butter anyway and soy milk).

When dairy was completely eliminated he went into remission -and

treated for leaky gut. When, 6 months later he was re-challenged,

same thing happened - three hot joints. I have been giving him dairy

since we've been on enzymes and seemed to be going OK, but now he has

a hot joint (maybe 2) again. I'm so upset. Do you think it will get

better as his gut heals more or is there something else (ie virus

causing autoimmune reaction) that I should be looking at?

> Thanks a lot

> Prue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> on cannot have dairy. He got juvenile rheumatoid arthritis at

age three (he only ever had cheese and butter anyway and soy milk).

When dairy was completely eliminated he went into remission

My son tolerates milk with enzymes, but if I give too much [more than

just a lesser ingredient in a product] he will get major ear wax.

Nothing else, no diarrhea or behaviors, but major ear wax. I have not

tried challenging this recently, this was last summer. But you might

want to consider chelation or virus, to help with this.

Dana