TMJ, dental

[Guest guest]

I am wondering if anyone has done work on their jaw joint (TMJ) or had surgery

to clean up cavitations which are bone infections known as osteonecrosis that

occur especially where wisdom teeth are pulled. These are two separate but

related problems. A little background:

Cavitations/ osteonecrosis are infections in the bone that make the bone go

soft. Reasons this happens are because the immune system is low, calcium and

minerals are low, and blood is over coagulating. In the case of tooth

extractions, if the tooth ligament is not removed the bones do not get the

signal to heal the remaining hole. The infection causes problems by producing

toxic by products, thioethers, which inhibit at least five enzymes necessary for

the product of ATP/energy in the cells. That is how the effects can be felt

throughout the body. These infection can also spread and you can loose your

teeth.

I have talked to people who experience immediate energy upon removing

cavitations and, similarly, root canals. Each is removed surgically by a

dentist.

The jaw problem is a very fascinating. With crowded teeth our bite becomes

uneven and inefficient putting strain on the jaw muscles. The trauma in this

area affects the trigeminal nerve, which is the largest nerve in the body. The

symptoms can range from migranes, MS, immune disfunction and brain and organ

disfunctions. The importance of the trigeminal nerve in CFS has been discussed

by Goldstein who focuses on brain disorders and treats it with drugs. The

treatment I am looking into is by a dentist specializing in jaw orthopedics. The

treament involves wearing bite splints that are very precisely designed.

Orthodontics can also be used. This dentist claims you can also grow the

jaw--in young people I assume. An inefficient bite also traumatizes the mouth

and can lead to pain, recessed gums and dieing teeth. For a great website see

http://www.dentalphysician.com

How we got into this mess was researched in the 20-40's by the dentist Weston A.

Price. Basically malnutrition is making our bones form improperly so that our

jaws are not big enough to fit all our teeth, so wisdom teeth have to be removed

and other teeth are crowded, leading the jaw and nervous system problems. Price

travelled around the world to examine how different cultures ate and what

results they got. He visited North Ameircan natives, Europeans, South Pacific

Islanders, South Americans, Africans, and more. He found that most traditional

diets made people virtually free from disease and dental problems. He found a

correlation between general health and dental health. When he began he thought

he was going to prove that the best diet was vegetarian--but the evidience

changed his mind. It's all in a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.

There is a website about his work and lessons for today at www.westonaprice.org

..

H.

[Guest guest]

I have been treated for TMJ, ongoing for about 3 years. I wear the

appliances, upper and lower (probably the same as the bite splints

mentioned). When my jaw is particularly unstable, my tinnitus

is a lot worse, and my TMJ doctor is currently working on modifying

my bite appliances to help with that. A couple of weeks ago, the

tinnitus in my right ear was so bad it felt like a knife was piercing

my ear, and the modifications have helped tremendously. I had an

injury to my right jaw as a child, and this may have contributed to

the instability in my jaw joint.

I wonder if we get into problems with wisdom teeth because many of us

in the States have a broad range of ethnic backgrounds, resulting in

teeth that may not fit the jaw, although I don't dispute what

has written. I'm going to take a look at the website mentioned,

thanks!

The appliances are comfortable and can make a huge difference in

quality of life.

Laurie L.

[Guest guest]

Re: TMJ, dental

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> I wonder if we get into problems with wisdom teeth because many of us

> in the States have a broad range of ethnic backgrounds, resulting in

> teeth that may not fit the jaw, although I don't dispute what

> has written.

That's funny. When Weston Price did his research the theory had been that

racial mixing was causing health problems. He wanted to show that the new

modern diet was the cause. So it was racial mixing in terms of natives

eating whites food! I think the profounded statement on this subject comes

from the Rolling Stones in the song Brown Sugar.

I'm going to take a look at the website mentioned,

> thanks!

> The appliances are comfortable and can make a huge difference in

> quality of life.

That's encouraging.

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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>

[Guest guest]

I have a very small mouth and had 8 teeth removed for braces when I was a

teenager. In moving my teeth so much (wearing rubber bands, etc), and by

leaving my teeth in a position where there was constant stress on my TM

joints, they damaged them. A car accident 14 years ago made it even worse

and my joints were really bad. But it's not good to have surgery on them.

So I ended up having jaw surgery where they cut my lower jaw and moved it

forward, and cut my upper jaw in three pieces and realligned them to take

the stress off the joints. Within a few years of that several of my teeth

died from the trauma and had root canals.

I had considered the cavitations from the root canals, but never

considered the fact that maybe there are cavitations that were created by

the surgery???

Aaahh, so many possibilities. So much to consider. A dozen fillings.

Thick blood. Bewilders the mind sometimes.

Cindi

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07/25/00 11:44 PM

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Subject: TMJ, dental

I am wondering if anyone has done work on their jaw joint (TMJ) or had

surgery to clean up cavitations which are bone infections known as

osteonecrosis that occur especially where wisdom teeth are pulled. These

are two separate but related problems. A little background:

Cavitations/ osteonecrosis are infections in the bone that make the bone

go soft. Reasons this happens are because the immune system is low,

calcium and minerals are low, and blood is over coagulating. In the case

of tooth extractions, if the tooth ligament is not removed the bones do

not get the signal to heal the remaining hole. The infection causes

problems by producing toxic by products, thioethers, which inhibit at

least five enzymes necessary for the product of ATP/energy in the cells.

That is how the effects can be felt throughout the body. These infection

can also spread and you can loose your teeth.

I have talked to people who experience immediate energy upon removing

cavitations and, similarly, root canals. Each is removed surgically by a

dentist.

The jaw problem is a very fascinating. With crowded teeth our bite becomes

uneven and inefficient putting strain on the jaw muscles. The trauma in

this area affects the trigeminal nerve, which is the largest nerve in the

body. The symptoms can range from migranes, MS, immune disfunction and

brain and organ disfunctions. The importance of the trigeminal nerve in

CFS has been discussed by Goldstein who focuses on brain disorders and

treats it with drugs. The treatment I am looking into is by a dentist

specializing in jaw orthopedics. The treament involves wearing bite

splints that are very precisely designed. Orthodontics can also be used.

This dentist claims you can also grow the jaw--in young people I assume.

An inefficient bite also traumatizes the mouth and can lead to pain,

recessed gums and dieing teeth. For a great website see

http://www.dentalphysician.com

How we got into this mess was researched in the 20-40's by the dentist

Weston A. Price. Basically malnutrition is making our bones form

improperly so that our jaws are not big enough to fit all our teeth, so

wisdom teeth have to be removed and other teeth are crowded, leading the

jaw and nervous system problems. Price travelled around the world to

examine how different cultures ate and what results they got. He visited

North Ameircan natives, Europeans, South Pacific Islanders, South

Americans, Africans, and more. He found that most traditional diets made

people virtually free from disease and dental problems. He found a

correlation between general health and dental health. When he began he

thought he was going to prove that the best diet was vegetarian--but the

evidience changed his mind. It's all in a book called Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration. There is a website about his work and lessons for

today at www.westonaprice.org .

H.

[Guest guest]

Come to think of it, my TMJ doctor has suggested that one of my

problems (along with the accident to my jaw as a child), could be

because I had orthodontia from an orthodontist who didn't realize

what complications had been caused by the accident. The orthodontia

likely made the jaw instability worse.

Laurie L.

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In a message dated 7/26/00 4:44:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

canderson@... writes:

<< oints, they damaged them. A car accident 14 years ago made it even worse

and my joints were really bad. But it's not good to have surgery on them.

So I ended up having jaw surgery where they cut my lower jaw and moved it

forward, and cut my upper jaw in three pieces and realligned them to take

the stress off the joints. Within a few years of that several of my teeth

died from the trauma and had root canals.

I had considered the cavitations from the root canals, but never

considered the fact that maybe there are cavitations that were created by

the surgery???

Aaahh, so many possibilities. So much to consider. A dozen fillings.

Thick blood. Bewilders the mind sometimes.

Cindi

>>

Hi Cindi, I had the same surgery done but only on my upper jaw. I am now

left with many titanium screws in my upper jaw that I am now trying to get

taken out. They bother me and the surgery didn't go to well anyway. My jaw

alignment is worse now then it was before I got the surgery. Plus, I am

doing all of this detoxing that goes along with treating CFS and I don't know

if I might be pulling the titanium out and into the rest of my body. For

instance, when I take immunopro the glutathione might be pulling titanium

from my screws and into the rest of my body. Do you have screws in your jaw?

Are you going to have them taken out? Does your jaw ever ache?

[Guest guest]

Hi

Despite their assurances that titanium is inert and wouldn't cause any

problems, the screws in my upper jaw drove me crazy. They were in my

sinuses, always hurt and my sinuses were always getting infected. I made

them take them out a few years after the surgery. I still have the ones

in my lower jaw/chin but they don't bug me (although who knows if they are

making me sick). I should probably be tested for reaction to titanium

when I get tested for nickel and mercury. I honestly never thought about

it until someone posted that the other day. (FYI, I don't know about you,

but I had wires in addition to screws... got those yanked out when they

did the screws) And I don't know if it's always possible to get the out

easily because they said the bone forms around them.

At least my surgery worked. I'm sorry yours didn't. But how many other

problems it caused! I had a deviated septum after it that I had surgery

to fix, I had the screws removed, I had root canals from teeth dying. Then

only a few years ago I realized I couldn't smile on one side of my face,

they said the muscles weren't put back together right and did outpatient

surgery to fix that. And they left my upper teeth pointing inward too

much thinking it would relax back out and didn't, so I had my teeth bonded

to try to make it look better (I wasn't about to get braces for the third

time!) (It made me mad they can do surgery, screw stuff up and you have

to pay again to have it corrected.) But at least my joints don't hurt

except occassionally when they get inflamed for some reason.

Also I got much much better with ImmunePro, not worse, so I don't think it

pulled the titanium out unless it did and it just doesn't bother me.

Cindi

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" Hi Cindi, I had the same surgery done but only on my upper jaw. I am now

left with many titanium screws in my upper jaw that I am now trying to get

taken out. They bother me and the surgery didn't go to well anyway. My

jaw

alignment is worse now then it was before I got the surgery. Plus, I am

doing all of this detoxing that goes along with treating CFS and I don't

know

if I might be pulling the titanium out and into the rest of my body. For

instance, when I take immunopro the glutathione might be pulling titanium

from my screws and into the rest of my body. Do you have screws in your

jaw?

Are you going to have them taken out? Does your jaw ever ache? "

[Guest guest]

Laurie and all -

Just wanted to let you know that I also had severe TMJ

from a botched bridge about 10 years ago. I tried

chiropractric and acupuncture and I have to say they

helped tremendously with this! I rarely have the pain

now, and if I get it the chiropractor adjusts my jaws

and it usually goes away in a day or so.

Something else to consider! Best, Jennie

--- " Laurie L. " <laurie@...> wrote:

> I have been treated for TMJ, ongoing for about 3

> years. I wear the

> appliances, upper and lower (probably the same as

> the bite splints

> mentioned). When my jaw is particularly

> unstable, my tinnitus

> is a lot worse, and my TMJ doctor is currently

> working on modifying

> my bite appliances to help with that. A couple of

> weeks ago, the

> tinnitus in my right ear was so bad it felt like a

> knife was piercing

> my ear, and the modifications have helped

> tremendously. I had an

> injury to my right jaw as a child, and this may have

> contributed to

> the instability in my jaw joint.

>

> I wonder if we get into problems with wisdom teeth

> because many of us

> in the States have a broad range of ethnic

> backgrounds, resulting in

> teeth that may not fit the jaw, although I don't

> dispute what

> has written. I'm going to take a look at the

> website mentioned,

> thanks!

>

> The appliances are comfortable and can make a huge

> difference in

> quality of life.

> Laurie L.

>

>

>

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