Re: Testosterone, DHEA - Steve

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I have been taking DHEA transdermal now for quite a few years.

One thing I noticed was thgat it affected my aletness. I was always 1/2

alseep when I was awake & 1/2 awake when I was asleep. When I tried to go off

it the problem returned. I have my levels checked regularily but I am on 25

mg which is high for a woman.

So I find it helps me a lot. I am also on Thyroid, (synthroid & cytomel)

I am perimenopausal & am having my hormones monitored & am now taking

transdermal progesterone which is helping minimize my symptoms a lot.

I find that the hormonal affects cause the most exacerbation with the

symptoms of my illnesses, CFIDS Fibro & MCS.

[Guest guest]

I',m sure CHenney knows what he is talking about.

BUT

I find it HARD to believe that one would not feel real bad if they were

Chronically Low on DHEA.

Anyone else have any thoughts ?

What test is used to tell if " they can't sulfate it " ?

Testosterone, DHEA - Steve

Steve, great post on testosterone replacement! Very well said. (Jan 6,

message 1, digest 551)

Cheney ran a complete hormone panel on me in 1998. I had a testosterone

deficiency and Cheney recommended DHEA since it's a precursor or something. I

took it for almost a year and wasn't sure if it helped or not.

This past October when reviewing my supplements, he commented that he's

learned over the years that DHEA makes sicker patients even sicker because they

can't sulfate it, and the " weller " patients usually don't need it. It's no

longer something he recommends very much, though there is a subset it will help.

He advised me to listen to my body and use my own judgement in deciding whether

to stay on it or not.

Take care. Carol

[Guest guest]

Dr. Rigden tested me for DHEA about a year ago. My tests showed I was quite

low, so he prescribed 20 mg DHEA for me (Rx as he said that some of the

over-the-counter DHEA doesn't always have the amount they say they do). I was

pleasantly surprised to have what I perceived as more energy - not alot, but at

least I was feeling at the " high end " of my reduced energy fluctuations for a

few weeks.

But then, like soooooooo many of the things I have tried over the years, the

positive effects seemed to fade away. I tried higher doses, but all that seemed

to produce was acne and some irritability. I tried another trial of it several

months later, but it didn't seem to do anything the second time. I still think

the DHEA helped me at first (maybe 10%), but maybe it was just placebo effect.

I don't know, but DHEA is no longer in my handful of vitamins, drugs and

supplements.

--

Testosterone, DHEA - Steve

Steve, great post on testosterone replacement! Very well said. (Jan 6,

message 1, digest 551)

Cheney ran a complete hormone panel on me in 1998. I had a testosterone

deficiency and Cheney recommended DHEA since it's a precursor or something. I

took it for almost a year and wasn't sure if it helped or not.

This past October when reviewing my supplements, he commented that he's

learned over the years that DHEA makes sicker patients even sicker because they

can't sulfate it, and the " weller " patients usually don't need it. It's no

longer something he recommends very much, though there is a subset it will help.

He advised me to listen to my body and use my own judgement in deciding whether

to stay on it or not.

Take care. Carol

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the role of these hormones in women is different than in men. I have no opinions

or knowledge about these issues. I am just say every man with cfs should have

his testosterone level checked. If the

test show no problem then he may indeed want to try DHEA or other supplements.

But such supplements are not a substitute for hormone replace therapy when

clinical evidence indicates such therapy is

necessary.

As far as women are concerned several of by ex-girl friends will attest I have

no knowledge on this subject.

LOL

Steve

Cbuf1920@... wrote:

> I have been taking DHEA transdermal now for quite a few years.

> One thing I noticed was thgat it affected my aletness. I was always 1/2

> alseep when I was awake & 1/2 awake when I was asleep. When I tried to go off

> it the problem returned. I have my levels checked regularily but I am on 25

> mg which is high for a woman.

> So I find it helps me a lot. I am also on Thyroid, (synthroid & cytomel)

> I am perimenopausal & am having my hormones monitored & am now taking

> transdermal progesterone which is helping minimize my symptoms a lot.

> I find that the hormonal affects cause the most exacerbation with the

> symptoms of my illnesses, CFIDS Fibro & MCS.

>

> ---------------------------

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Carol,

you use the term " sulfate " and today I picked up MSM

(methyl-sulfonyl-methane) ... I've read the odd post about it helping CFS: Well,

because of H2SO4 (Sulfuric acid (aka battery acid)) and alkaline blood pH, I

decided to try one of my little experiment (using pH meter to judge its effect

on my urine) -- have not started yet... but that was my idea [just working off

the model]...

So -- comments from anyone? Predictions (to be scientific)?

Ken

Testosterone, DHEA - Steve

Steve, great post on testosterone replacement! Very well said. (Jan 6,

message 1, digest 551)

Cheney ran a complete hormone panel on me in 1998. I had a testosterone

deficiency and Cheney recommended DHEA since it's a precursor or something. I

took it for almost a year and wasn't sure if it helped or not.

This past October when reviewing my supplements, he commented that he's

learned over the years that DHEA makes sicker patients even sicker because they

can't sulfate it, and the " weller " patients usually don't need it. It's no

longer something he recommends very much, though there is a subset it will help.

He advised me to listen to my body and use my own judgement in deciding whether

to stay on it or not.

Take care. Carol

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[Guest guest]

HI, the same was here. I took DHEA for several months. I sprayed it under my

tongue. I didn't notice any improvement.(It didn't hurt me ). Regarding it's

high price...

DHEA is precursor of ALL hormones. It is supposed to be safe. With high doses

anabolic effect can appear (muscles, hairs..). When you stop it, it disappears

again. It is a natural substance which slows down aging. The level of DHEA in

your body naturally lowers as you age.

What your body needs is the sulfate (SO4), as Carol said which transports DHEA

througout your body.

Way of biotransformation: Squalin-cholesterol

EHDL-17alphaHP-DHEA-progesteron/androstenedion-all other anabolic steroids

Consumers are recommended to have two blood test done twice a year: a level of

PSA (prostate specific antigen) and a level of DHEA sulfate

Contraindications: pragnancy, prostate disease

I hoped it could help me. I thought it is much safer than taking cortisol. I

wonder why PWC cannot sulfate it.

Stania

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Steve, great post on testosterone replacement! Very well said. (Jan 6,

message 1, digest 551)

Cheney ran a complete hormone panel on me in 1998. I had a testosterone

deficiency and Cheney recommended DHEA since it's a precursor or something. I

took it for almost a year and wasn't sure if it helped or not.

This past October when reviewing my supplements, he commented that he's

learned over the years that DHEA makes sicker patients even sicker because they

can't sulfate it, and the " weller " patients usually don't need it. It's no

longer something he recommends very much, though there is a subset it will help.

He advised me to listen to my body and use my own judgement in deciding whether

to stay on it or not.

Take care. Carol

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Hi,

I have taken this also - no rusults. But perhaps a tablespoon of

blackstrap

molassas would do just as well? I do know that MSM has helped people

- mostly who are healthy to stay healthy: sort of like a thin. toned

person going to the gym. This is what I was told by lupus doc while I

was in a study, and we know that docs don't know everything even if

they think they do......

Christie

Lassesen wrote:

> Carol, you use the term " sulfate " and today I picked up MSM

> (methyl-sulfonyl-methane) ... I've read the odd post about it helping

> CFS: Well, because of H2SO4 (Sulfuric acid (aka battery acid)) and

> alkaline blood pH, I decided to try one of my little experiment (using

> pH meter to judge its effect on my urine) -- have not started yet...

> but that was my idea [just working off the model]... So --

> comments from anyone? Predictions (to be scientific)?

> Ken

>

>

> Testosterone, DHEA - Steve

> Steve, great post on testosterone replacement! Very well

> said. (Jan 6, message 1, digest 551) Cheney ran a complete

> hormone panel on me in 1998. I had a testosterone

> deficiency and Cheney recommended DHEA since it's a

> precursor or something. I took it for almost a year and

> wasn't sure if it helped or not. This past October when

> reviewing my supplements, he commented that he's learned

> over the years that DHEA makes sicker patients even sicker

> because they can't sulfate it, and the " weller " patients

> usually don't need it. It's no longer something he

> recommends very much, though there is a subset it will

> help. He advised me to listen to my body and use my own

> judgement in deciding whether to stay on it or not. Take

> care. Carol

> -------------------------------------------------------------

> [

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have taken this also - no rusults. But perhaps a tablespoon of

blackstrap

molassas would do just as well? I do know that MSM has helped people

- mostly who are healthy to stay healthy: sort of like a thin. toned

person going to the gym. This is what I was told by lupus doc while I

was in a study, and we know that docs don't know everything even if

they think they do......

Christie

Lassesen wrote:

> Carol, you use the term " sulfate " and today I picked up MSM

> (methyl-sulfonyl-methane) ... I've read the odd post about it helping

> CFS: Well, because of H2SO4 (Sulfuric acid (aka battery acid)) and

> alkaline blood pH, I decided to try one of my little experiment (using

> pH meter to judge its effect on my urine) -- have not started yet...

> but that was my idea [just working off the model]... So --

> comments from anyone? Predictions (to be scientific)?

> Ken

>

>

> Testosterone, DHEA - Steve

> Steve, great post on testosterone replacement! Very well

> said. (Jan 6, message 1, digest 551) Cheney ran a complete

> hormone panel on me in 1998. I had a testosterone

> deficiency and Cheney recommended DHEA since it's a

> precursor or something. I took it for almost a year and

> wasn't sure if it helped or not. This past October when

> reviewing my supplements, he commented that he's learned

> over the years that DHEA makes sicker patients even sicker

> because they can't sulfate it, and the " weller " patients

> usually don't need it. It's no longer something he

> recommends very much, though there is a subset it will

> help. He advised me to listen to my body and use my own

> judgement in deciding whether to stay on it or not. Take

> care. Carol

> -------------------------------------------------------------

> [