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Hi ,

The answer is at a dental website, www.bioprobe.com . Composite fillings have no mercury.

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When you have your mercury fillings removed, what should you replace them with?

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At 07:17 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:

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> When you have your mercury fillings removed,

> what should you replace them with?

There are some hi-tech plastics out there, very strong. Ask about which ones

dentists use when you interview them. Also ask about what the dentist has done

to find the least toxic adhesive.

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In a message dated 5/16/00 10:49:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< When you have your mercury fillings removed,

what should you replace them with? >>

It seems we have been down this 'amalgam' road before and it basically led

to nowhere except for a few people. There are some zealots who think

mercury amalgams are the worst thing since DDT (or whatever chemical use

to be sprayed on vegies). However, I think many of you are wasting time and

energy looking for a quick fix. I have never had a filling and I had a very

bad

case of CFS which is now getting better (thankfully). But, anyone can spend

their money how they see fit. MHO

Mike

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There is a test called the Clifford Test that you can have done to

determine which fillings are compatitible with your body. It's a blood

test; the lab is in Colorado. I had mine down two years ago and received

the report that shows the ones both compatible and incompatible. There

are hundreds of them. I had no idea.

Phil

Al Melillo wrote:

> Hi , The answer is at a dental website, www.bioprobe.com .

> Composite fillings have no mercury.Al

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> Mercury Fillings

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> When you have your mercury fillings removed,

> what should you replace them with?

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There is a test called the Clifford Test that you can have done to

determine which fillings are compatitible with your body. It's a blood

test; the lab is in Colorado. I had mine down two years ago and received

the report that shows the ones both compatible and incompatible. There

are hundreds of them. I had no idea.I got my kit from my dentist. Most

mercury free dentists should be familar with it.

Phil

Al Melillo wrote:

> Hi , The answer is at a dental website, www.bioprobe.com .

> Composite fillings have no mercury.Al

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> Mercury Fillings

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> When you have your mercury fillings removed,

> what should you replace them with?

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Thanks Andy!

I agree with you that Amalgam fillings may not be the cause at all cases.

Actually I think that it is a cause at very little of the cases but it

starts increasing our problems as the illness progresses and your liver can

not remove heavy metals. Than we might turn out having mercury toxification

in addition to CFS.How can our bodies which can not even eliminate the food

preservatives or the fillers in supplements get rid of heavy metal. That is

why I lately have started thinking about amalgam removal.I am brain

storming. I would like to know your opinion. What do you think?

Nil

Mercury fillings

> I do not wish to come across as being dismissive of those

discussing the subject of removing mercury amalgam dental fillings, but as a

sufferer of CFS/ME from March 1985 onwards, the absence of mercury amalgam

fillings from my teeth has not made any difference. How can I state this so

clearly? Very simple, I have never needed, and never had any dental fillings

in my life to date, therefore it cannot have any influence on my ME/CFS

either as a trigger factor, or for continued symptoms.

> This does not mean that mercury amalgam is 100% safe and poses no

risk, but I cannot see why it could be responsible for causing CFS/ME, other

than to present another toxic burden. This suggests that if mercury toxicity

is a problem, then the removal of mercury amalgam fillings may help reduce

that burden, but I suspect it will not be the magic cure that we are all

seeking for this dreadful disease known as ME/CFS.

>

> Andy

>

>

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I believe that one of the main risks with mercury as a poison is

when it's presented in liquid form so that mercury vapour is present and

inhaled. In addition, it would appear that in a similar manner to many toxic

metals, it's a chronic build up or exposure that presents a serious problem.

If my memory serves me correctly, the major risk of poisoning

form mercury amalgam fillings is when mercury vapour is present. For obvious

reasons, that is being in the mouth, it provides a direct input into the

respiratory tract for mercury vapour to enter. What I do not know is whether

mercury amalgam fillings are able to produce vapour when fitted, or whether

it may only occur during dental procedures.

According to the British National Formulary, mercury poisoning

is reversed by using one or more drugs called Dimercaprol, Penicillamine,

and Sodium Calciumedetate. Apart from Penicillamine, they are delivered

using either intramuscular injection, or intravenous infusion.

I can only suggest that you have a test for traces of mercury

poisoning to see if it's presenting a problem, and possibly have your dental

fillings checked to see if they are still intact. If, for example, you do

show signs of mercury poisoning, and your fillings are not intact, then a

combined approach of removing your fillings and detoxifying your body may be

a valid approach. As a result, I can only recommend that you seek

professional medical guidance since it is probably relatively easy for the

necessary tests to be performed.

I hope this helps since mercury poisoning, if present, can be

dealt with thereby reducing a toxic burden, but please remember that, from

personal experience, the process of surgery including dental procedures can

be stressful and can add stress to a body already trying to deal with

CFS/ME.

Regards,

Andy

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>

>

> > I do not wish to come across as being dismissive of those

> discussing the subject of removing mercury amalgam dental fillings, but as

a

> sufferer of CFS/ME from March 1985 onwards, the absence of mercury amalgam

> fillings from my teeth has not made any difference. How can I state this

so

> clearly? Very simple, I have never needed, and never had any dental

fillings

> in my life to date, therefore it cannot have any influence on my ME/CFS

> either as a trigger factor, or for continued symptoms.

> > This does not mean that mercury amalgam is 100% safe and poses

no

> risk, but I cannot see why it could be responsible for causing CFS/ME,

other

> than to present another toxic burden. This suggests that if mercury

toxicity

> is a problem, then the removal of mercury amalgam fillings may help reduce

> that burden, but I suspect it will not be the magic cure that we are all

> seeking for this dreadful disease known as ME/CFS.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> >

> >

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Obviously none of us knows what factory mercury has. Is toxicity a side

effect of CFS, or one of the factors? I am pretty certain not everyone with

CFS has mercury toxicity.

However, the fact that you have no fillings does not mean that you don't

have mercury. I was under this mistaken impression for a long time too.

However, some people with no fillings still have high levels of mercury.

Mercury can be passed from the parents to the fetus, it can come from eating

fish, it is a byproduct of burning coal, it is prevelent in mining camps,

some people played with mercury from thermometers as children, etc.

The picture is complicated though by the fact that it is very difficult to

measure mercury within tissues where it is causing harm.

Doris

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> I do not wish to come across as being dismissive of those

discussing the subject of removing mercury amalgam dental fillings, but as a

sufferer of CFS/ME from March 1985 onwards, the absence of mercury amalgam

fillings from my teeth has not made any difference. How can I state this so

clearly? Very simple, I have never needed, and never had any dental fillings

in my life to date, therefore it cannot have any influence on my ME/CFS

either as a trigger factor, or for continued symptoms.

> This does not mean that mercury amalgam is 100% safe and poses no

risk, but I cannot see why it could be responsible for causing CFS/ME, other

than to present another toxic burden. This suggests that if mercury toxicity

is a problem, then the removal of mercury amalgam fillings may help reduce

that burden, but I suspect it will not be the magic cure that we are all

seeking for this dreadful disease known as ME/CFS.

>

> Andy

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Doris,

I'm sure you didn't mean to leave out innoculations. That's one way all

of us have gotten mercury. And before Neosporin, we all used Mecuricrome

and Merthiolate for cuts and scrapes.

When I was in high school, a classmate with beautiful skin shared a

beauty tip with me. She used to put Merthiolate on her pimples. That

night I dabbed Merthiolate here and there, anywhere there was a blemish.

Pretty soon it was all over my face. I woke up the next day with white

infected puss-like sores all over my face. On another occasion, just to

test my reaction, I put some Merthiolate on a small smoothe piece of

skin inside my elbow and broke out with white sores the same way, so I

knew that mercury was bad for me long ago. Whenever any medical

personnel has asked me what I was allergic to, I'd say mercury, but that

never stopped them from giving me shots. How would I have known what I

was doing to myself? I still got " silver " fillings after that.

I personally think that 20 years from now (I hope it doesn't take that

long) we'll realize that mercury is responsible for a lot of things. I

know it's hard to know what comes first, the chicken or the egg, or the

mercury or the CFS, but how many years have dentists been using mercury?

And how many years has it been used as a preservative in shots? So CFS

and other immune-type diseases (or groups of symptoms) are a product of

our generation(s) and so is mercury and probably other toxins that are

put in animals and food.

But since mercury is supposedly the most toxic, I think it causes an

awful lot of harm. I don't know how we can ever prove cause and effect

though.

Marsha

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Thanks for the warnings..My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

as she is using high speed driller. So,I am happy about this. Are there any

other stresses that are caused during amalgam removal?

Thanks..

Nil

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> >

> >

> > > I do not wish to come across as being dismissive of those

> > discussing the subject of removing mercury amalgam dental fillings, but

as

> a

> > sufferer of CFS/ME from March 1985 onwards, the absence of mercury

amalgam

> > fillings from my teeth has not made any difference. How can I state this

> so

> > clearly? Very simple, I have never needed, and never had any dental

> fillings

> > in my life to date, therefore it cannot have any influence on my ME/CFS

> > either as a trigger factor, or for continued symptoms.

> > > This does not mean that mercury amalgam is 100% safe and poses

> no

> > risk, but I cannot see why it could be responsible for causing CFS/ME,

> other

> > than to present another toxic burden. This suggests that if mercury

> toxicity

> > is a problem, then the removal of mercury amalgam fillings may help

reduce

> > that burden, but I suspect it will not be the magic cure that we are all

> > seeking for this dreadful disease known as ME/CFS.

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> > >

> > >

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on 2/16/02 9:05 AM, ng at ng2113@... wrote:

> I agree with you that Amalgam fillings may not be the cause at all cases.

> Actually I think that it is a cause at very little of the cases but it

> starts increasing our problems as the illness progresses and your liver can

> not remove heavy metals. Than we might turn out having mercury toxification

> in addition to CFS.How can our bodies which can not even eliminate the food

> preservatives or the fillers in supplements get rid of heavy metal. That is

> why I lately have started thinking about amalgam removal.I am brain

> storming. I would like to know your opinion. What do you think?

IMHO, central to CFS pathophysiology is indeed neurotoxicity due to toxins

which either are being generated too fast or not being eliminated fast

enough/properly. Maybe it doesn't really matter what the exact nature of

the toxin is, the end result might be CFIDS--a condition of 'brain injury'

due to longterm exposure to toxins (whether internally or externally

generated).

So in this view then I think it stands to reason that eliminating the

sources of toxicity which are amenable to such elimination is a good working

strategy. It's very hard to eliminated the normal toxicity of the gut and

the mouth but it is possible to rid the body of toxic heavy metals. I've

had all my mercury amalgams replaced but apparently mercury stays in the

body with great tenacity...

I certainly respect the opposing view here because I vaccillate on this

issue all the time!

--

Hud (8 >{D)

hudr@...

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Hud says

" > had all my mercury amalgams replaced but apparently mercury stays in the

> body with great tenacity... "

Or,is the brain damage permenant? Hope not!

Nil

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> on 2/16/02 9:05 AM, ng at ng2113@... wrote:

>

> > I agree with you that Amalgam fillings may not be the cause at all

cases.

> > Actually I think that it is a cause at very little of the cases but it

> > starts increasing our problems as the illness progresses and your liver

can

> > not remove heavy metals. Than we might turn out having mercury

toxification

> > in addition to CFS.How can our bodies which can not even eliminate the

food

> > preservatives or the fillers in supplements get rid of heavy metal. That

is

> > why I lately have started thinking about amalgam removal.I am brain

> > storming. I would like to know your opinion. What do you think?

>

> IMHO, central to CFS pathophysiology is indeed neurotoxicity due to toxins

> which either are being generated too fast or not being eliminated fast

> enough/properly. Maybe it doesn't really matter what the exact nature of

> the toxin is, the end result might be CFIDS--a condition of 'brain injury'

> due to longterm exposure to toxins (whether internally or externally

> generated).

>

> So in this view then I think it stands to reason that eliminating the

> sources of toxicity which are amenable to such elimination is a good

working

> strategy. It's very hard to eliminated the normal toxicity of the gut and

> the mouth but it is possible to rid the body of toxic heavy metals. I've

> had all my mercury amalgams replaced but apparently mercury stays in the

> body with great tenacity...

>

> I certainly respect the opposing view here because I vaccillate on this

> issue all the time!

> --

>

> Hud (8 >{D)

>

> hudr@...

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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Nil wrote:

> My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

> as she is using high speed driller.

NO anaesthetics?? Does that mean NO PAIN with this high speed driller??

Please, Nil, tell us more. . .

Many thanks,

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Well,yes.. She said so! I really don't know any other things about it..I may

get more info when I see her.I don't know when this will happen.I will

inform you if I get further info.

Take care..

Nil

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> Nil wrote:

> > My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

> > as she is using high speed driller.

>

> NO anaesthetics?? Does that mean NO PAIN with this high speed driller??

> Please, Nil, tell us more. . .

>

> Many thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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> Nil wrote:

> > My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

> > as she is using high speed driller.

My understanding of this is that the greatest risk is

from mercury vapour produced by the drilling. If you

breathe in mercury vapour a very high percentage (can't

remember, 50%?) of it ends up in your bloodstream - bad

news especially if it gets in your brain. Unlike swallowing it

e.g. a chunk of filling - which isn't so effective a way for

mercury to be absorbed.

When the dentist is drilling an amalgam, mercury vapour is

produced by the heat from the drill. High-speed drills

heat the mercury more, causing more vapour. So low-speed

drills are better. And best of all would be a dentist who first

chips out as much of the filling as possible with hand tools

before doing any drilling - though finding a dentist who does

that is nigh on impossible.

Unfortunately almost all dentists use high-speed drills,

so you probably won't have a choice about it. I managed

to find a dentist here in the UK who does low-speed drilling

but I was still very ill afterwards, I think from breathing mercury

vapour.

Anwar

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Anwar,

I can confirm, to the best of my knowledge, some industrial

chemists including toxicologists have stated that mercury vapour is the

highest risk factor in terms of toxicity and absorption. This is why

products containing liquid mercury are handled with such care since a

spillage of mercury will result in the release of some level of mercury

vapour. In addition, the application of heat will move the mercury closer

towards its vapour state, hence the use of heat generated by friction, such

as must happen when drilling unless a coolant is used, will present an

increased risk of mercury vapour being present.

Please note that if the work on mercury filling removal can be

carried out in a manner where all traces of amalgam including vapour can be

drawn away, all the better.

Regards,

Andy

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> > Nil wrote:

> > > My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

> > > as she is using high speed driller.

>

> My understanding of this is that the greatest risk is

> from mercury vapour produced by the drilling. If you

> breathe in mercury vapour a very high percentage (can't

> remember, 50%?) of it ends up in your bloodstream - bad

> news especially if it gets in your brain. Unlike swallowing it

> e.g. a chunk of filling - which isn't so effective a way for

> mercury to be absorbed.

>

> When the dentist is drilling an amalgam, mercury vapour is

> produced by the heat from the drill. High-speed drills

> heat the mercury more, causing more vapour. So low-speed

> drills are better. And best of all would be a dentist who first

> chips out as much of the filling as possible with hand tools

> before doing any drilling - though finding a dentist who does

> that is nigh on impossible.

>

> Unfortunately almost all dentists use high-speed drills,

> so you probably won't have a choice about it. I managed

> to find a dentist here in the UK who does low-speed drilling

> but I was still very ill afterwards, I think from breathing mercury

> vapour.

>

>

> Anwar

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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Anwar,

Thank you! Somehow I don't remember seeing your message..After reading your

answer I am confused again..What you say sounds logical.That was what I

heard before. I must continue searching.Thanks..Nil

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>

>

> > > Nil wrote:

> > > > My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

> > > > as she is using high speed driller.

> >

> > My understanding of this is that the greatest risk is

> > from mercury vapour produced by the drilling. If you

> > breathe in mercury vapour a very high percentage (can't

> > remember, 50%?) of it ends up in your bloodstream - bad

> > news especially if it gets in your brain. Unlike swallowing it

> > e.g. a chunk of filling - which isn't so effective a way for

> > mercury to be absorbed.

> >

> > When the dentist is drilling an amalgam, mercury vapour is

> > produced by the heat from the drill. High-speed drills

> > heat the mercury more, causing more vapour. So low-speed

> > drills are better. And best of all would be a dentist who first

> > chips out as much of the filling as possible with hand tools

> > before doing any drilling - though finding a dentist who does

> > that is nigh on impossible.

> >

> > Unfortunately almost all dentists use high-speed drills,

> > so you probably won't have a choice about it. I managed

> > to find a dentist here in the UK who does low-speed drilling

> > but I was still very ill afterwards, I think from breathing mercury

> > vapour.

> >

> >

> > Anwar

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

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Hi Nil

> Thank you! Somehow I don't remember seeing your message..After reading your

> answer I am confused again..What you say sounds logical.That was what I

> heard before. I must continue searching.Thanks..Nil

My mistake was to follow my dentists advice re. number

of fillings replaced in one go. I didn't agree to exactly what he

wanted (4 at the first appointment) but I was persuaded to have

two large ones replaced and it was a mistake - too toxic. With

hindsight it would have been better to begin with one small one

as a test. I've still got 3 left and am leaving them there!

Anwar

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Hi Andy

> I can confirm, to the best of my knowledge, some industrial

> chemists including toxicologists have stated that mercury vapour is the

> highest risk factor in terms of toxicity and absorption. This is why

> products containing liquid mercury are handled with such care since a

> spillage of mercury will result in the release of some level of mercury

> vapour. In addition, the application of heat will move the mercury closer

> towards its vapour state, hence the use of heat generated by friction, such

> as must happen when drilling unless a coolant is used, will present an

> increased risk of mercury vapour being present.

Yes. I think a good dentist will use a lot of water for cooling.

> Please note that if the work on mercury filling removal can be

> carried out in a manner where all traces of amalgam including vapour can be

> drawn away, all the better.

My dentist used a high-powered suction unit for removing vapour

plus separate air supply for me to breathe through a nose-piece.

But even with good precautions some mercury will still get

absorbed :-(

Anwar

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Though some of you may be interested in this.

http://www.hugnet.com/

click on `protocol` button.

Nil

Re: Mercury fillings

> > Nil wrote:

> > > My dentist says that she does not use anaesthetics

> > > as she is using high speed driller.

>

> My understanding of this is that the greatest risk is

> from mercury vapour produced by the drilling. If you

> breathe in mercury vapour a very high percentage (can't

> remember, 50%?) of it ends up in your bloodstream - bad

> news especially if it gets in your brain. Unlike swallowing it

> e.g. a chunk of filling - which isn't so effective a way for

> mercury to be absorbed.

>

> When the dentist is drilling an amalgam, mercury vapour is

> produced by the heat from the drill. High-speed drills

> heat the mercury more, causing more vapour. So low-speed

> drills are better. And best of all would be a dentist who first

> chips out as much of the filling as possible with hand tools

> before doing any drilling - though finding a dentist who does

> that is nigh on impossible.

>

> Unfortunately almost all dentists use high-speed drills,

> so you probably won't have a choice about it. I managed

> to find a dentist here in the UK who does low-speed drilling

> but I was still very ill afterwards, I think from breathing mercury

> vapour.

>

>

> Anwar

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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In a message dated 2/20/2002 1:11:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

<< Unfortunately almost all dentists use high-speed drills,

so you probably won't have a choice about it. I managed

to find a dentist here in the UK who does low-speed drilling

but I was still very ill afterwards, I think from breathing mercury

vapour.

Anwar

>>

Hi,

I am sorry if you have already explained your mercury filling experiences,

but could you share when you had your amalgams removed, how sick were you?

Did you do chelation afterward, how long ago was it, and have you had any

improvement since having it done.

If you have already shared this in another post, could you refer me to it?

Thanks,

jane

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Hi Jane

> In a message dated 2/20/2002 1:11:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> Hi,

>

> I am sorry if you have already explained your mercury filling experiences,

> but could you share when you had your amalgams removed,

Two large amalgams in Feb '00 and one small one by a

second dentist a few months later. The first dentist

is a friend of Hal Huggins, visits him in the US and

uses some of his protocol - separate air supply for

patient, high powered suction but unlike Huggins no

rubber dam. I had an adrenalin-free aneasthetic.

> how sick were you?

I had more neurological symptoms - pins and needles all

over, brainfog, more strange *physical* feelings in brain,

a lot more fatigue, constant headache and felt sick and posioned.

I wasn't sure why having those two removed made me more

ill, I wondered if it was the anaesthetic or not having a rubber

dam. So a few months later I saw a second dentist and

had one very small filling replaced with a rubber dam in place

and no anaesthetic but I had the same symptoms though not

as severe (presumably because it was a smaller filling). Again the

symptoms lasted about five weeks and mostly faded after about

4 months but I think I have more brainfog now than I would have

had if I hadn't had the fillings replaced.

I assume it's the mercury that made me more ill and am not having

any more amalgams removed while I still have ME which in my

case is probably viral. I don't believe mercury is the root cause of

my ME, but that the ME has made me unable to cope with mercury

from dental treatment in the same way that I can't tolerate lesser

toxins - perfume, paint fumes etc.

> Did you do chelation afterward, how long ago was it, and have you had any

> improvement since having it done.

I didn't have chelation, neither of my dentists prescribed it.

Also I read a lot on the " metals " and " Amalgam " lists by some

quite knowledgeable folk that chelation isn't a good idea

immediately after removal. IIRC it pulls mercury out of organs,

body tissue, wherever it has been deposited over many years,

and into the bloodstream which isn't helpful at a time when you've

more mercury anyway in your bloodstream from having had

fillings removed. Drug chelation e.g. DMSA isn't available in the

UK and I decided not to try chelation supplements like alpha lipoic

acid until at least four or five months after having all my amalgams

removed which didn't happen as I still have some left in.

hth

best wishes

Anwar

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In a message dated 2/14/2006 3:15:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, caughlindrc@... writes:

Looking for a denatl referal for a dentist familiar with removing mercury

fillings and hopefully a ppo for lifewise.

Be careful when removing these -w ithout the proper suction it is supposedly possible to ingest a ton of mercury dust.

Anglen

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Dr. Caruthers here in Portland does work removing mercury fillings. So

does Tim Chapman and Arthur . If you want to check out a statewide

listing of docs who do mercury removal check out web site of a doctor

McQuire DDS-author of Tooth Fitness.

Schneider

Portland

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From: " Dr. Charlie Caughlin DC " <caughlindrc@...>

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:29:47 -0800 (PST)

>Docs

>Looking for a denatl referal for a dentist familiar with removing mercury

>fillings and hopefully a ppo for lifewise. Preferably in Bend area but

>will travel to the other Oregon if needed! Thanks in advance for the

>help!!

>

>

>DR CHARLIE CAUGHLIN DC. CAC

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They continue to leak.

michelle0471 wrote:

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> Hi

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> Do old mercury fillings continue leaking or do they stop leaking after

> a certain time?

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