Re: Re: iodine at Autism One

[Guest guest]

Hey Jim,

You can write Dr. Kellman too with this observation, very intriguing. : )

I am an acupuncturist who works with infertility. Given my own thyroid/adrenal issues and knowledge I know that many of the women who come to see me have these undiagnosed situations that are underlying their inability to become pregnant. I do lots of dietary/lifestyle counseling with them.

If, in fact, an underfunctioning thyroid/adrenal situation is bypassed, as in when they persue IVF and other artificial means of becoming pregnant, it's a breeding box for all kinds of issues for these "forced into being" children. Problem is these women are obsessed with becoming pregnant, at any cost. When your body is healthy it will reproduce, when it's not, the brakes are on for good reasons.

Janet

www.womensacupuncture.net

iodine From: jdutchmanjim@...Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:48:24 +0000Subject: Re: iodine at Autism One

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim> > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...> > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.> > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.> > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)> > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)> > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...> > > > Anne> > > >>

[Guest guest]

I have 6 children. My oldest is healthy. My 2nd is autistic. I have had 4 more children and none of them are on the spectrum and are all healthy. There are an awful lot of families with more than one child on the spectrum. I'm probably an aspie myself. I have all of my children on iodine right now. 

However this obviously something much more going on with my autistic child. He has symptoms of mito dysfunction. He had serious digestive issues till I put him on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet at two. It drastically improved things. I mean hugely. He was a new child. It's discouraging that no matter what I do it seems there is always a piece of the puzzle missing. We are starting up regular vit D now and going to make sure his levels are optimal. 

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

 

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

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Children With Starving Brains: A Medical Treatment Guide for Autism Spectrum Disorder, Second Edition

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Marcella <saponaria@...> wrote:

 

I have 6 children. My oldest is healthy. My 2nd is autistic. I have had 4 more children and none of them are on the spectrum and are all healthy. There are an awful lot of families with more than one child on the spectrum. I'm probably an aspie myself. I have all of my children on iodine right now. 

However this obviously something much more going on with my autistic child. He has symptoms of mito dysfunction. He had serious digestive issues till I put him on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet at two. It drastically improved things. I mean hugely. He was a new child. It's discouraging that no matter what I do it seems there is always a piece of the puzzle missing. We are starting up regular vit D now and going to make sure his levels are optimal. 

Marcella

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

 

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

> > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...> > > > Anne> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Well, I was trying not to stray too far off topic...The doctor's point seemed to be that wide-spread hypothyroidism is a significant contributing factor to the autism epidemic. He did comment that the fetus uses the mother's thyroid hormone during the first trimester, since he cannot produce his own, & that seems to be a contributing factor to autism. (And, of course, even once the fetus starts making his own thyroid hormone, he can only make enough if mom is supplying him with enough iodine.)Jim, I don't know where you got your info on later children being more prone to autism, but what *I* have read & heard in autism circles is that first-borns are typically more at risk from autism. The rationale goes that the mother's body toxins go right into the fetus. (One of the big autism docs is prone to say that if a woman wants to detox, it is very effective to have a child. But unfortunately, the toxins she gets rid of move right into the child. This concept seems to be born out by studies of the orcas in Puget Sound. First born calves seem to die with disheartening regularity, & researchers believe that many of the mother's toxins go into the first calf. This is one of the reasons I urge women to address their own health before conceiving.)The fact is, of course, that there are all sorts of wrinkles to autism. Boys are 4-5 times more likely to get it than girls, so the gender of family members has an effect. Many parents believe that vaccines are often a triggering event for autism, & families report that children in their family who received few or no vaccines are more likely to be healthy. Toxic exposures seem to be a factor... There is no single profile of a family dealing with autism (except the part where the parents are bankrupting themselves trying to find answer, & living in stress & despair. That one seems to be universal!)Marcella, I share your despair about the long, slow slog of trying to recover a child with autism. The first therapies I stumbled across were neurodevelopmental movement therapy, vision therapy, & auditory integration training, & they were the best interventions I found with my kid. But he had a second major regression, & now refuses to DO movement therapy any more, so I went exploring biomed. When I first got connected to that community, people kept talking about "huge" gains with one supplement or another, one approach or another. But I gradually came to realize that parents are so thrilled with any tiny improvement that a kid can have lots of "huge" interventions, & still be seriously autistic. One of the alleged experts in our area has been doing biomed for 5 years, & when I met her child, I was horrified to see how autistic he still was. I am sure he has had great improvements, but he is a LONG way from recovered! I have also learned that a lot of families suffer heart-breaking regressions along the way, as we did.AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Marcella wrote:

I have 6 children. My oldest is healthy. My 2nd is autistic. I have had 4 more children and none of them are on the spectrum and are all healthy. There are an awful lot of families with more than one child on the spectrum. I'm probably an aspie myself. I have all of my children on iodine right now.

However this obviously something much more going on with my autistic child. He has symptoms of mito dysfunction. He had serious digestive issues till I put him on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet at two. It drastically improved things. I mean hugely. He was a new child. It's discouraging that no matter what I do it seems there is always a piece of the puzzle missing. We are starting up regular vit D now and going to make sure his levels are optimal.

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

People interested in this line of thinking may want to look into The Myth of Autism

by Goldberg and Goldberg. This book is part of what got me interested in the entire alternative medicine/iodine idea. I can't say Goldberg specifically goes there, but attributes at least some autism to autoimmune disorders in the mothers and believes that there are specific bacteria that cause all the problems that together equals what we now call autism. My daughter has Autism and Down syndrome and I was told she had a high chance of becoming hypo, in fact she ended up with Hashimoto's (like I had while pregnant). So, now I have her on iodine and a very small amount of Naturethroid (probably should be higher but this is what the doc was willing to give her) and we will see. She has a bald spot which is what led to going to the doctor in the first place and it was spreading but now the hair has not grown back in but the spread has stopped.

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: iodine at Autism One

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Kellman stated categorically that he had helped a lot of infertile women with thyroid therapy. (Too bad he is recommending insufficient iodine!)I take your point about couples desperate to conceive, but having been one of them, I feel a lot of sympathy. It is a bitter thing to watch the calendar pages slip away, with no baby coming along. And some women have already waited too long, & don't have time to do the optimal things... It is a difficult problem. I feel horrible when I tell some woman in her late 30s, say, that her risk of the autism tragedy goes way up if she doesn't detox first. But if she waits to detox, she may well be unable to conceive at all...AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Janet A wrote:

Hey Jim,

You can write Dr. Kellman too with this observation, very intriguing. : )

I am an acupuncturist who works with infertility. Given my own thyroid/adrenal issues and knowledge I know that many of the women who come to see me have these undiagnosed situations that are underlying their inability to become pregnant. I do lots of dietary/lifestyle counseling with them.

If, in fact, an underfunctioning thyroid/adrenal situation is bypassed, as in when they persue IVF and other artificial means of becoming pregnant, it's a breeding box for all kinds of issues for these "forced into being" children. Problem is these women are obsessed with becoming pregnant, at any cost. When your body is healthy it will reproduce, when it's not, the brakes are on for good reasons.

Janet

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iodine From: jdutchmanjim@...Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:48:24 +0000Subject: Re: iodine at Autism One

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim> > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...> > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.> > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.> > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)> > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information. > > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)> > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense. > > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...> > > > Anne> > > >>

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Anne, you have no idea who encouraging to me it is to hear that. I had huge improvements with my son at age 2. And I mean we as parents saw all the good things and honestly thought he was doing so well. We started the SCD and within 5 days he was a different kid. He went from staring in space, not calling us by name or responding to his name or pointing or interacting to doing all those things. I could not believe it when he sat down with me and started pointing at things in a book. I realized then that he was so much worse off than we had realized. And he had a slow constant series of improvements for years. 

But something happened a few years ago and I could never pin point what..but he's definitely regressed. He's reverted back to the unusual voice intonation. It's just different. We no longer kid ourselves that he passes as normal. He doesn't. He's a wonderful little boy and I love him to death. But it's so disheartening not being able to know what to do to to help him. I want to help him. But I also don't want to spend his whole childhood chasing cures because we couldn't accept him for who he is either. It's hard to figure out how to balance it. It means a lot to hear of someone whose child regressed after great gains. 

And I do find myself very skeptical of the parents who talk about how great their kids are doing and how they are cured and then I catch glimpses and think, " Cured?! I can tell he's autistic! " What concerns me so much is all the kids I see everywhere who are so clearly not " neurotypical " . I don't care what anyone says. There is a huge increase of autistic children and those somewhat on the spectrum and I do not believe it's better diagnosis going on here. I can spot kids on the spectrum a mile away...years before they parents are willing to face up to it. And there are a LOT of them. It's like when I was growing up and going to school. 25% of the kids in my class were not obese or overweight even. And there were not all these kids on spectrum locked away somewhere. 

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

Well, I was trying not to stray too far off topic...The doctor's point seemed to be that wide-spread hypothyroidism is a significant contributing factor to the autism epidemic. He did comment that the fetus uses the mother's thyroid hormone during the first trimester, since he cannot produce his own, & that seems to be a contributing factor to autism. (And, of course, even once the fetus starts making his own thyroid hormone, he can only make enough if mom is supplying him with enough iodine.)

Jim, I don't know where you got your info on later children being more prone to autism, but what *I* have read & heard in autism circles is that first-borns are typically more at risk from autism. The rationale goes that the mother's body toxins go right into the fetus. (One of the big autism docs is prone to say that if a woman wants to detox, it is very effective to have a child. But unfortunately, the toxins she gets rid of move right into the child. This concept seems to be born out by studies of the orcas in Puget Sound. First born calves seem to die with disheartening regularity, & researchers believe that many of the mother's toxins go into the first calf. This is one of the reasons I urge women to address their own health before conceiving.)

The fact is, of course, that there are all sorts of wrinkles to autism. Boys are 4-5 times more likely to get it than girls, so the gender of family members has an effect. Many parents believe that vaccines are often a triggering event for autism, & families report that children in their family who received few or no vaccines are more likely to be healthy. Toxic exposures seem to be a factor... There is no single profile of a family dealing with autism (except the part where the parents are bankrupting themselves trying to find answer, & living in stress & despair. That one seems to be universal!)

Marcella, I share your despair about the long, slow slog of trying to recover a child with autism. The first therapies I stumbled across were neurodevelopmental movement therapy, vision therapy, & auditory integration training, & they were the best interventions I found with my kid. But he had a second major regression, & now refuses to DO movement therapy any more, so I went exploring biomed. When I first got connected to that community, people kept talking about " huge " gains with one supplement or another, one approach or another. But I gradually came to realize that parents are so thrilled with any tiny improvement that a kid can have lots of " huge " interventions, & still be seriously autistic. One of the alleged experts in our area has been doing biomed for 5 years, & when I met her child, I was horrified to see how autistic he still was. I am sure he has had great improvements, but he is a LONG way from recovered! I have also learned that a lot of families suffer heart-breaking regressions along the way, as we did.

AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Marcella wrote:

 

I have 6 children. My oldest is healthy. My 2nd is autistic. I have had 4 more children and none of them are on the spectrum and are all healthy. There are an awful lot of families with more than one child on the spectrum. I'm probably an aspie myself. I have all of my children on iodine right now. 

However this obviously something much more going on with my autistic child. He has symptoms of mito dysfunction. He had serious digestive issues till I put him on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet at two. It drastically improved things. I mean hugely. He was a new child. It's discouraging that no matter what I do it seems there is always a piece of the puzzle missing. We are starting up regular vit D now and going to make sure his levels are optimal. 

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

 

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

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Anne,

I'm intrigued by your mentioning a pre conception detoxing. Can you share that with me?

Janet

[Guest guest]

I will get back to you off-list if I find more info about him.AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Barb wrote:

Thanks Anne for this fascinating info. I know I'm missing an enzyme that makes me highly reactive to sulfites, aspirin, yellow #5 food color, and sulfa drugs. Then I found this is something common to autistics (though never been diagnosed with that or had any trouble in school)! I do have autoimmune thyroid disease (Graves').

Do you know if this doc has written anything we can read? I would love to hear of his results with iodine. Sometimes they publish each speakers' speech.

He is misinformed about thyroid ratios in humans vs pigs though. If you're talking about the actual gland itself, the ratio of T4:T3 is more like 15:1 in a human. A normal thyroid produces about 100 mcg T4 and 6 mcg T3 daily. Daily T3 production averages 30 mcg, but 80% (24 mcg) of this is from conversion, and not directly from the thyroid gland. So IF one has good conversion, they may need to add some T4 to their Armour for a better ratio. I am, and feeling better.

Barb

>

> I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

>

> Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

>

> He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

>

> I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

>

> Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

>

> For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

>

> I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

>

> Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

My husband is the oldest child of three and the only one with AS.On May 31, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Anne Seals wrote:

Well, I was trying not to stray too far off topic...The doctor's point seemed to be that wide-spread hypothyroidism is a significant contributing factor to the autism epidemic. He did comment that the fetus uses the mother's thyroid hormone during the first trimester, since he cannot produce his own, & that seems to be a contributing factor to autism. (And, of course, even once the fetus starts making his own thyroid hormone, he can only make enough if mom is supplying him with enough iodine.)Jim, I don't know where you got your info on later children being more prone to autism, but what *I* have read & heard in autism circles is that first-borns are typically more at risk from autism. The rationale goes that the mother's body toxins go right into the fetus. (One of the big autism docs is prone to say that if a woman wants to detox, it is very effective to have a child. But unfortunately, the toxins she gets rid of move right into the child. This concept seems to be born out by studies of the orcas in Puget Sound. First born calves seem to die with disheartening regularity, & researchers believe that many of the mother's toxins go into the first calf. This is one of the reasons I urge women to address their own health before conceiving.)The fact is, of course, that there are all sorts of wrinkles to autism. Boys are 4-5 times more likely to get it than girls, so the gender of family members has an effect. Many parents believe that vaccines are often a triggering event for autism, & families report that children in their family who received few or no vaccines are more likely to be healthy. Toxic exposures seem to be a factor... There is no single profile of a family dealing with autism (except the part where the parents are bankrupting themselves trying to find answer, & living in stress & despair. That one seems to be universal!)Marcella, I share your despair about the long, slow slog of trying to recover a child with autism. The first therapies I stumbled across were neurodevelopmental movement therapy, vision therapy, & auditory integration training, & they were the best interventions I found with my kid. But he had a second major regression, & now refuses to DO movement therapy any more, so I went exploring biomed. When I first got connected to that community, people kept talking about "huge" gains with one supplement or another, one approach or another. But I gradually came to realize that parents are so thrilled with any tiny improvement that a kid can have lots of "huge" interventions, & still be seriously autistic. One of the alleged experts in our area has been doing biomed for 5 years, & when I met her child, I was horrified to see how autistic he still was. I am sure he has had great improvements, but he is a LONG way from recovered! I have also learned that a lot of families suffer heart-breaking regressions along the way, as we did.AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Marcella wrote:

I have 6 children. My oldest is healthy. My 2nd is autistic. I have had 4 more children and none of them are on the spectrum and are all healthy. There are an awful lot of families with more than one child on the spectrum. I'm probably an aspie myself. I have all of my children on iodine right now.

However this obviously something much more going on with my autistic child. He has symptoms of mito dysfunction. He had serious digestive issues till I put him on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet at two. It drastically improved things. I mean hugely. He was a new child. It's discouraging that no matter what I do it seems there is always a piece of the puzzle missing. We are starting up regular vit D now and going to make sure his levels are optimal.

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

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I am interested in pre-conception detoxing as well. If you wouldn't mind sharing.MeaghanOn May 31, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Janet A <seaofqi@...> wrote:

Anne,

I'm intrigued by your mentioning a pre conception detoxing. Can you share that with me?

Janet

[Guest guest]

Well, it is nothing too fancy -- just what we keep talking about here. Before a woman gets pregnant, I think her chances are a lot better if she does the iodine protocol for a while, to detox halides ( & everything else it helps detox) & improve her iodine/thyroid status. I would recommend that she do a complete colon detox, a complete liver detox, & just generally work on all her detox pathways. Get as much junk as possible out of her body, so it can't go to the baby. That would include supplements & good food to improve her nutritional status, detoxing baths, FIR sauna, etc., etc. so that she has the most possible nutrients & fewest possible toxins on board. This would also include cleaning up the household environment as much as possible -- no toxic air fresheners, cosmetics, soaps, furnishing, etc. Some kind of HEPA filter removing crud from the air.You don't want to be detoxing DURING pregnancy, because the baby himself becomes one of the detox pathways. And if you wait till AFTER pregnancy, that detoxes the mother, but leaves the baby in a mess. So you want to get it done before there is a conception. Believe me, NOBODY wants to have to deal with autism! It is hell on earth, & turns us all old before our time. My standard for the worst thing that ever happened to me also used to be the death of my youngest sister at age 20. But I think that even she would forgive me for saying that autism is even worse than that. Nobody can hurt now, but life can do cruel things to my son for as long as 60 years to come -- including after I am dead.AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Janet A wrote:

Anne,

I'm intrigued by your mentioning a pre conception detoxing. Can you share that with me?

Janet

[Guest guest]

Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part. Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were given in relation to the usual schedule...I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong, because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 11:18 AM, wrote:

People interested in this line of thinking may want to look into The Myth of Autism

by Goldberg and Goldberg. This book is part of what got me interested in the entire alternative medicine/iodine idea. I can't say Goldberg specifically goes there, but attributes at least some autism to autoimmune disorders in the mothers and believes that there are specific bacteria that cause all the problems that together equals what we now call autism. My daughter has Autism and Down syndrome and I was told she had a high chance of becoming hypo, in fact she ended up with Hashimoto's (like I had while pregnant). So, now I have her on iodine and a very small amount of Naturethroid (probably should be higher but this is what the doc was willing to give her) and we will see. She has a bald spot which is what led to going to the doctor in the first place and it was spreading but now the hair has not grown back in but the spread has stopped.

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: iodine at Autism One

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My last baby darn well better be healthy! LOL I did the iodine protocol for a while with supplemental nutrients. Then my adrenals crashed. I thought it was a reaction to the iodine but not sure. I did a cleanse with FIR sauna for two full weeks. Then a couple of months later got pregnant. For several months after the cleanse and before getting pregnant I also didn't eat one speck of junk. And I mean not one. I ate nothing but loads of vegetables, meats, eggs, nuts, raw cream and raw milk kefir, raw egg yolks as well the only fruits were blueberries and strawberries. I've never eaten healthier while pregnant or in my life except that time. I exercised pretty much every day. I went to sleep early and never felt better in my life. Never felt better while pregnant either.

My daughter however has gotten sick more times than any of my other kids have ever. I have no idea what to think of it! She got her first cold within weeks of birth! I did read something a few months back saying small children getting sick is a sign of their immune system working well. It's bad if they do not get sick. Is that likely? 

Now take my oldest. He had to have gotten the brunt of my toxins. I had severe morning sickness and ate crap most of the time because I was desperate for anything that I could keep down. I was on a vegan diet for several months before getting pregnant. So I'm sure I was actually fairly depleted in nutrients. I no longer think a vegan diet is smart personally. I'd also been avoiding iodized salt for years and had no real source of iodine in my diet at all. That kid never even had a sniffle the first year of his life. He almost never gets sick even now. If something comes through the house he is most likely to not get it. I was like that as a kid too. I almost never got sick. Didn't get colds etc. Until I hit puberty and my health deteriorated. He's also like I was and has a low body temp. His norm is 97's. He can't stand vegetables. I can only get them in some pureed. He prefers milk, eggs and starches and while never complaining about anything I serve he would easily just almost never eat to avoid foods he does not like. 

So why does *perfect diet and prep* baby get sick all the time and *junk food fed* baby never get sick? Now granted my baby only gets colds. She's otherwise happy and healthy and hearty and has no signs of anything serious or any food reactions etc. I know lots of people with kids who are clearly showing signs of poor immune function early on like food allergies, asthma, eczema etc. Are the colds really a sign of a good immune system? It baffles me. I thought I did it all right this time!

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

Well, it is nothing too fancy -- just what we keep talking about here. Before a woman gets pregnant, I think her chances are a lot better if she does the iodine protocol for a while, to detox halides ( & everything else it helps detox) & improve her iodine/thyroid status. I would recommend that she do a complete colon detox, a complete liver detox, & just generally work on all her detox pathways. Get as much junk as possible out of her body, so it can't go to the baby. That would include supplements & good food to improve her nutritional status, detoxing baths, FIR sauna, etc., etc. so that she has the most possible nutrients & fewest possible toxins on board. This would also include cleaning up the household environment as much as possible -- no toxic air fresheners, cosmetics, soaps, furnishing, etc. Some kind of HEPA filter removing crud from the air.

You don't want to be detoxing DURING pregnancy, because the baby himself becomes one of the detox pathways. And if you wait till AFTER pregnancy, that detoxes the mother, but leaves the baby in a mess. So you want to get it done before there is a conception. Believe me, NOBODY wants to have to deal with autism! It is hell on earth, & turns us all old before our time. My standard for the worst thing that ever happened to me also used to be the death of my youngest sister at age 20. But I think that even she would forgive me for saying that autism is even worse than that. Nobody can hurt now, but life can do cruel things to my son for as long as 60 years to come -- including after I am dead.

AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Janet A wrote:

 

Anne,

 

I'm intrigued by your mentioning a pre conception detoxing.  Can you share that with me?

Janet

 

[Guest guest]

I just want to tell you I got your email. I agree with you about the vaccines here. The whole decision really scares me. Until recently all 6 of my children had never received a vax. I've gone back and forth on whether to do the DTP and within the past month two of mine got the DTP or the Tdap. I'm very nervous about Pertussis. But despite my autistic child having never received any vax I do know people whose children very promptly deteriorated after a vaccine. So I don't care who is funding what study and what they manipulate it to say. No one can convince a parent who has seen otherwise and I believe those parents.

Marcella On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part. Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were given in relation to the usual schedule...

I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong, because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!

AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 11:18 AM, wrote:

 

People interested in this line of thinking may want to look into The Myth of Autism

by Goldberg and Goldberg.  This book is part of what got me interested in the entire alternative medicine/iodine idea.  I can't say Goldberg specifically goes there, but attributes at least some autism to autoimmune disorders in the mothers and believes that there are specific bacteria that cause all the problems that together equals what we now call autism.  My daughter has Autism and Down syndrome and I was told she had a high chance of becoming hypo, in fact she ended up with Hashimoto's (like I had while pregnant).  So, now I have her on iodine and a very small amount of Naturethroid (probably should be higher but this is what the doc was willing to give her) and we will see.  She has a bald spot which is what led to going to the doctor in the first place and it was spreading but now the hair has not grown back in but the spread has stopped.   

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: iodine at Autism One

 

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can't imagine any Dr prescribing thyroid hormone to my 10yob. It stinks. Even if I could pony up the gobs of money for visits and labs and beg them to dose based on symptom alone and I don't think they would. People are that much more cautious with prescribing anything to children.

MarcellaOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:52 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

 

Yes, and that supports what I'm saying; Thyroid hormone is used in all the cells of the body, hence would effect cognition, digestion, and other areas, as well.Jim

> > >

> > > > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, &

> > there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually

> > referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims

> > that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of

> > interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease

> > epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> > > >

> > > > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always

> > trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower

> > others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid

> > status.

> > > >

> > > > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women

> > (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but

> > said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read

> > Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it,

> > but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I

> > keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams

> > so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between

> > milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of

> > MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> > > >

> > > > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many

> > families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to

> > get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250.

> > Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula

> > contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives

> > their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned

> > Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more

> > information.

> > > >

> > > > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of

> > T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in

> > Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra

> > T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being

> > treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> > > >

> > > > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism

> > groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I

> > misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending

> > MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times

> > when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a

> > little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to

> > him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> > > >

> > > > Anne

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just to be sure I checked on this. He doesn't believe vaccines CAUSE autism but he does believe they can TRIGGER it. I don't believe you would find his reasoning insulting. He says giving vaccines to a sick child is irresponsible and that six or eight at once is also not something he approves. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 31, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part. Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were given in relation to the usual schedule...I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong, because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 11:18 AM, wrote:

People interested in this line of thinking may want to look into The Myth of Autism

by Goldberg and Goldberg. This book is part of what got me interested in the entire alternative medicine/iodine idea. I can't say Goldberg specifically goes there, but attributes at least some autism to autoimmune disorders in the mothers and believes that there are specific bacteria that cause all the problems that together equals what we now call autism. My daughter has Autism and Down syndrome and I was told she had a high chance of becoming hypo, in fact she ended up with Hashimoto's (like I had while pregnant). So, now I have her on iodine and a very small amount of Naturethroid (probably should be higher but this is what the doc was willing to give her) and we will see. She has a bald spot which is what led to going to the doctor in the first place and it was spreading but now the hair has not grown back in but the spread has stopped.

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: iodine at Autism One

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was talking to my dr today and holding her 3 month old son in my arms. She works from her home. One of the key issues of these 8 injections in one day is that the liver  is not sufficiently developed to handle it. She has not done any of them so far. She has had patients bring their 2 months old babies in after a day of 8 injections. She says that these babies would need only one injection if they were old enough to develop their own antibodies which will happen when their livers are old enough for a single injection to do that. Multiple injections for same disease would  be eliminated if the time table was more appropriate. Also since polio is nearly eliminated that could be pushed to a later date in infant's life. Timetables need to be changed. Pam

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Higgins <Luff2sail@...> wrote:

 

Just to be sure I checked on this.  He doesn't believe vaccines CAUSE autism but he does believe they can TRIGGER it.  I don't believe you would find his reasoning insulting. He says giving vaccines to a sick child is irresponsible and that six or eight at once is also not something he approves.  

Sent from my iPhoneOn May 31, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part. Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were given in relation to the usual schedule...

I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong, because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!

AnneOn May 31, 2011, at 11:18 AM, wrote:

 

People interested in this line of thinking may want to look into The Myth of Autism

by Goldberg and Goldberg.  This book is part of what got me interested in the entire alternative medicine/iodine idea.  I can't say Goldberg specifically goes there, but attributes at least some autism to autoimmune disorders in the mothers and believes that there are specific bacteria that cause all the problems that together equals what we now call autism.  My daughter has Autism and Down syndrome and I was told she had a high chance of becoming hypo, in fact she ended up with Hashimoto's (like I had while pregnant).  So, now I have her on iodine and a very small amount of Naturethroid (probably should be higher but this is what the doc was willing to give her) and we will see.  She has a bald spot which is what led to going to the doctor in the first place and it was spreading but now the hair has not grown back in but the spread has stopped.   

Higgins

http://becomingaspecialneedsadvocate.blogspot.com/

Re: iodine at Autism One

 

This comports with something I've been thinking for some time.What I would say is that POSSIBLY a Hypo while pregnant Mom, produces an autistic child.(Low iodine is only 1 cause of Hypo, not the only cause.)I've read numerous accounts from women who on their second or third child, develop hypo symptoms, although not diagnosed till much later.i.e earlier pregnancies; no problem loosing 'baby fat', no post partum blues, no fatigue.Then after this child; can't loose weight, and continue gaining, dpression, fatigue, even hair falling out.

And, I understand that MOST autistic children have an older sibling, that is not autistic.And, I see where researchers are saying that autism is a systemic condition; not just neurological; digestive problems, even differences at the mitochondrial level.

Thyroid hormones are necesary for ALL cells in the body.And, early in developement, it makes sence that Fetus would depend on Mom's thyroid hormone, until it could produce its own.So, if Mom were low, and baby didn't get enough, could well cause 'autism'with widespread, sytemic effects.And, of coarse, Dr.'s reliance on TSH test means that OB/GYN's are testing that, if anything, and telling pregnant mom's they are 'fine'.;-(

Also wondering about a pregnent Mom who's in early adrenal fatigue, where she's producing excess cortisol; resulting in 'HYPERACTIVE' or ADD kid? Would certainly make sense, as child would get 'addicted' to high levels of Cortisol, just as a heroin addicted Mom produces a heroin addicted child.Again, most OB/GYN's would only test with cortisol blood tests, or 24hr. urine tests, and would say adrenals of Mom are 'fine'.

And, unfortunately, the researchers are basing their work on what they learned in med school, and therefore aren't looking for Hypo or AF in Mom's.And, would be using wrong tests, even if they did look.Anyway, thats my thinking.Jim

>

> > I attended the Autism One conference in Chicago from May 25-29th, & there was a speaker there talking about thyroid & autism who actually referenced iodine. Unfortunately, either he misspoke, or I misheard...

> >

> > Anyway, the doc is Dr. Raphael Kellman of New York City, & he claims that 75% of the ASD kids he sees have thyroid disease. He had a lot of interesting stuff to say about how the autism epidemic & the thyroid disease epidemic have risen together, & he believes it is because they are related.

> >

> > He also commented on the fact that thyroid testing is not always trustworthy. He claims this is because toxins raise some values & lower others, so that the net result doesn't give a true picture of thyroid status.

> >

> > I was astounded when he recommended 250 mg of iodine for pregnant women (this is where I think I must have misheard or he must have mispoken), but said nothing about companion nutrients. I asked him if he had read Brownstein's work, & he said he had. He said there was much of value in it, but that he did not get the kind of success Brownstein has reported. ( I keep thinking that I must have misheard him because we talk about milligrams so much in this forum. Surely a doctor can tell the difference between milligrams & micrograms? But if he is using MICROgrams instead of MILLIgrams, that would certainly explain why he is not getting results...)

> >

> > Kirkman Laboratories is the manufacturer of supplements used by many families dealing with ASD, & the doc commented that he had been trying to get Kirkman to increase the iodine in their supplements from 150 to 250. Sure enough, when I went to the Kirkman site, their multivitamin formula contains 150 MICROgrams... I sincerely hope that nobody who was there gives their kid 250 mg without any companion nutrients! At least I mentioned Brownstein, & one woman came up to me afterwards to ask for more information.

> >

> > For those of you on thyroid meds, Dr. Kellman said that the ration of T4 to T3 in natural human thyroid hormone is 90 to 10, & that the ration in Armor is 80 to 20. In his practice, he prescribes Armor with a little extra T4 to improve the ration. (For what that is worth. I am not currently being treated for thyroid, so I don't know how common this practice is.)

> >

> > I am a bit worried that this man may be speaking before other autism groups, but I don't want to offend him by trying to correct him if I misheard... Although I am also worried that if he is only recommending MICROgrams, he is not helping his patients as he should... There are times when I speak up when I should probably keep my mouth shut (more than a little autistic myself) but I am wondering if I ought to say something to him... And how to say it so I don't give offense.

> >

> > Anyway, his talk was very interesting...

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have RA which is said to be auto immune but researchers since the 50s have said caused by mycoplasma-which is between virus and bacteria in size. I did test positive for lupus e. in my 20s and hopefully can keep up not developing that. Have dealt with way more than my share as it is. Have you had your D3 levels checked as many of these diseases like RA, MS and 8-9 forms of cancer all develop more easily with low D3 levels. Pain is also impacted quite substantially. Pam

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:34 PM, jtmk98.535597 <lysva29798-hlth@...> wrote:

 

Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, th

They're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses.

Medical " knowledge " is forever in a flux.

>

> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of

> > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part.

> > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how

> > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune

> > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That

> > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions

> > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were

> > given in relation to the usual schedule...

> >

> > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong,

> > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even

> > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!

> >

> > Anne

[Guest guest]

Pam, et al

Interesting to see this conversation move into the autoimmune arena. I have Hashi's, discovered it 5 years ago. Since then I have had my once vibrant healthy life become an endless stream of one thing after another which I had been blaming on the thyroid/adrenals/menopause.

I recently asked a very "holistic" minded western doctor what he thought about autoimmune thyroid. He believes autoimmune disease is not an immune system imbalance, etc. but rather the body trying to rid itself of "something" in the body tissues that doesn't belong.

What does he find in people with autoimmune thyroid? Viruses, bacteria, mycoplasma and tick borne infections, lyme, babesia, bartonella, etc. Lyme and tick disease are epidemic and go undiagnosed due to the inability of testing to confirm it and the WIDE range of symptoms that differ from person to person. One person is diagnosed with fibro, another with MS, another Parkinsons and it goes on and on.

With iodine being anti viral/bacterial it seems to me that these tick infections could be taking hold in such great numbers due to insufficient iodine protection. Could it be that a baby can pick up one of these virsuses/infections from mom in utero? I read somewhere, maybe on this group, that all the blood in the body moves through the thyroid every 17 minutes. That would give it lots of exposure to iodine, if there is iodine available, to cleanse the blood of bacteria and viral infection.

Janet

iodine From: 2007pams@...Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:47:18 -0700Subject: Re: Re: iodine at Autism One

I have RA which is said to be auto immune but researchers since the 50s have said caused by mycoplasma-which is between virus and bacteria in size. I did test positive for lupus e. in my 20s and hopefully can keep up not developing that. Have dealt with way more than my share as it is. Have you had your D3 levels checked as many of these diseases like RA, MS and 8-9 forms of cancer all develop more easily with low D3 levels. Pain is also impacted quite substantially. Pam

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:34 PM, jtmk98.535597 <lysva29798-hlth@...> wrote:

Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, thThey're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses.Medical "knowledge" is forever in a flux.

> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:> > >> >> > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of> > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part.> > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how> > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune> > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That> > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions> > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were> > given in relation to the usual schedule...> >> > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong,> > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even> > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!> >> > Anne

[Guest guest]

Anne, your eloquence is much appreciated. -

At 04:39 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:

>Well, it is nothing too fancy -- just what we keep talking about here.

>Before a woman gets pregnant, I think her chances are a lot better if she

>does the iodine protocol for a while, to detox halides ( & everything else

>it helps detox) & improve her iodine/thyroid status. I would recommend

>that she do a complete colon detox, a complete liver detox, & just

>generally work on all her detox pathways. Get as much junk as possible out

>of her body, so it can't go to the baby. That would include supplements &

>good food to improve her nutritional status, detoxing baths, FIR sauna,

>etc., etc. so that she has the most possible nutrients & fewest possible

>toxins on board. This would also include cleaning up the household

>environment as much as possible -- no toxic air fresheners, cosmetics,

>soaps, furnishing, etc. Some kind of HEPA filter removing crud from the air.

>

>You don't want to be detoxing DURING pregnancy, because the baby himself

>becomes one of the detox pathways. And if you wait till AFTER pregnancy,

>that detoxes the mother, but leaves the baby in a mess. So you want to get

>it done before there is a conception. Believe me, NOBODY wants to have to

>deal with autism! It is hell on earth, & turns us all old before our time.

>My standard for the worst thing that ever happened to me also used to be

>the death of my youngest sister at age 20. But I think that even she would

>forgive me for saying that autism is even worse than that. Nobody can hurt

> now, but life can do cruel things to my son for as long as 60 years

>to come -- including after I am dead.

>

>Anne

>

>

>On May 31, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Janet A wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>Anne,

>>

>>I'm intrigued by your mentioning a pre conception detoxing. Can you

>>share that with me?

>>Janet

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, autoimmune problems are the result of weak immune system, which

then leads to out-of-whack weird immune behaviors. I'm the person who

first brought up this issue on the LDN list, I haven't been reading it

regularly and didn't know it was being discussed again. But yes it's true.

Non-Western medicine modalities recognize that autoimmune is a result of

weak immune system. That is why they are uniformly more capable of

addressing autoimmune. Western doesn't get anywhere because it perceives

the problem incorrectly.

Even if it looks like overactive immune function (body attacking its own

tissues), the only treatment that works for the long term is building the

immune system. ANythng that tears it down does not build health and leads

to more sickness and permanent disease states.

--

At 07:34 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:

>Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with

>Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, th

>They're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but

>an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains

>my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a

>frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses.

>Medical " knowledge " is forever in a flux.

>

> >

> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with

> some of

> > > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no

> part.

> > > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how

> > > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An

> auto-immune

> > > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That

> > > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions

> > > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were

> > > given in relation to the usual schedule...

> > >

> > > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong,

> > > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get

> info even

> > > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!

> > >

> > > Anne

>

>

>

>

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>

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>group IodineOT/

>

>

>The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

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The thyroid quote of every 17 minutes  comes from a book that is sent out with J Crowe lugols from 1957 but still full of accurate information. I have tested negative generally again to the RA since using iodine at 50 mg consistently for four years which likely is caused by mycoplasma but I am not sure which one. It did take a couple of years to go negative. I am also off sugar and yeast and dairy which likely also helps strengthen immune system for me as they are allergies.

 I had an email from a friend to check on this info on mycoplasmas with a good researcher that follows these mycoplasmas in midwest. Apparently their are often different mycoplasmas that live comfortably in different parts of the body generally and give off lyme, RA and a host of other illness symptoms. So you could test negative for one type and have huge dose of different strand so makes it all quite maddening. Also Lyme is sexually transmitted so likely these can pass in various ways through body fluids so both would need to be treated.

Could be why healing seems to be interesting challenges for many of us. PamOn Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Janet A <seaofqi@...> wrote:

 

Pam, et al

Interesting to see this conversation move into the autoimmune arena.  I have Hashi's, discovered it 5 years ago.  Since then I have had my once vibrant healthy life become an endless stream of one thing after another which I had been blaming on the thyroid/adrenals/menopause.

 

I recently asked a very " holistic " minded western doctor what he thought about autoimmune thyroid.  He believes autoimmune disease is not an immune system imbalance, etc. but rather the body trying to rid itself of  " something " in the body tissues that doesn't belong.

 

What does he find in people with autoimmune thyroid?  Viruses, bacteria, mycoplasma and tick borne infections, lyme, babesia, bartonella, etc.  Lyme and tick disease are epidemic and go undiagnosed due to the inability of testing to confirm it and the WIDE range of symptoms that differ from person to person.  One person is diagnosed with fibro, another with MS, another Parkinsons and it goes on and on.

 

With iodine being anti viral/bacterial it seems to me that these tick infections could be taking hold in such great numbers due to insufficient iodine protection.  Could it be that a baby can pick up one of these virsuses/infections from mom in utero?  I read somewhere, maybe on this group, that all the blood in the body moves through the thyroid every 17 minutes.  That would give it lots of exposure to iodine, if there is iodine available, to cleanse the blood of bacteria and viral infection.

 

Janet

 

 

iodine From: 2007pams@...Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:47:18 -0700Subject: Re: Re: iodine at Autism One

 

I have RA which is said to be auto immune but researchers since the 50s have said caused by mycoplasma-which is between virus and bacteria in size. I did test positive for lupus e. in my 20s and hopefully can keep up not developing that. Have dealt with way more than my share as it is. Have you had your D3 levels checked as many of these diseases like RA, MS and 8-9 forms of cancer all develop more easily with low D3 levels. Pain is also impacted quite substantially. Pam

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:34 PM, jtmk98.535597 <lysva29798-hlth@...> wrote:

 

Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, thThey're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses.

Medical " knowledge " is forever in a flux.

> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:> > >> >> > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with some of

> > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no part.> > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how> > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An auto-immune

> > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That> > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions> > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were

> > given in relation to the usual schedule...> >> > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong,> > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get info even

> > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!> >> > Anne

[Guest guest]

I don't know about autoimmune problems being a weak immune system. I have 5 auto diseases. I've never had a stomach virus, the flu or a cold. Never and I am 48 years old.I always understood because of my auto diseases my immune system was always on high alert status thus why I don't catch viruses or colds. From: B <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 11:57:12 PMSubject: Re: Re: iodine at Autism One

Absolutely, autoimmune problems are the result of weak immune system, which

then leads to out-of-whack weird immune behaviors. I'm the person who

first brought up this issue on the LDN list, I haven't been reading it

regularly and didn't know it was being discussed again. But yes it's true.

Non-Western medicine modalities recognize that autoimmune is a result of

weak immune system. That is why they are uniformly more capable of

addressing autoimmune. Western doesn't get anywhere because it perceives

the problem incorrectly.

Even if it looks like overactive immune function (body attacking its own

tissues), the only treatment that works for the long term is building the

immune system. ANythng that tears it down does not build health and leads

to more sickness and permanent disease states.

--

At 07:34 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:

>Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with

>Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, th

>They're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but

>an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains

>my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a

>frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses.

>Medical "knowledge" is forever in a flux.

>

> >

> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with

> some of

> > > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no

> part.

> > > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how

> > > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An

> auto-immune

> > > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That

> > > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions

> > > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were

> > > given in relation to the usual schedule...

> > >

> > > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong,

> > > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get

> info even

> > > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!

> > >

> > > Anne

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list)

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>

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you do not catch a cold or viruses because the immune system works in your case in one direction.ldn modulate the immune system.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

 

I don't know about autoimmune problems being a weak immune system. I have 5 auto diseases. I've never had a stomach virus, the flu or a cold. Never and I am 48 years old.

I always understood because of my auto diseases my immune system was always on high alert status thus why I don't catch viruses or colds.

 

From: B <vbaker@...>iodine

Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 11:57:12 PMSubject: Re: Re: iodine at Autism One 

Absolutely, autoimmune problems are the result of weak immune system, which then leads to out-of-whack weird immune behaviors. I'm the person who first brought up this issue on the LDN list, I haven't been reading it

regularly and didn't know it was being discussed again. But yes it's true.Non-Western medicine modalities recognize that autoimmune is a result of weak immune system. That is why they are uniformly more capable of

addressing autoimmune. Western doesn't get anywhere because it perceives the problem incorrectly.Even if it looks like overactive immune function (body attacking its own tissues), the only treatment that works for the long term is building the

immune system. ANythng that tears it down does not build health and leads to more sickness and permanent disease states.--At 07:34 PM 5/31/2011, you wrote:>Actually, from what I've been reading lately (recently diagnosed with

>Lupus), I believe on the LDN group, th>They're saying now that autoimmune is not an overactive immune system but >an underactive one afterall. It makes sense to me as it finally explains >my decades long low white blood count (currently 2.3). Low wbc is a

>frequent symptom of autoimmune illnesses.>Medical " knowledge " is forever in a flux.>> >> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

> >> > >> > >> > > Well, I just checked out reviews of this book, & while I agree with > some of> > > what I read, I totally disagree with him saying that vaccines play no

> part.> > > Vaccines contain substances designed to PROVOKE the immune system, so how> > > can he say they are not implicated in an auto-immune problem? An > auto-immune> > > problem is by DEFINITION the result of an over-active immune system! That

> > > sounds just SILLY to me. Way too many parents have reported regressions> > > shortly after vaccines -- no matter how early or late those vaccines were> > > given in relation to the usual schedule...

> > >> > > I guess I will have to read his book when I am feeling REALLY strong,> > > because little details like that really piss me off! I like to get > info even> > > from people who disagree with me, but I am feeling fragile at the moment!

> > >> > > Anne>>>>>------------------------------------>>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/

>>>The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/

>