Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine~Question

April 27, 2001

An alert reader pointed out to me that thimerasol is not in MMR and she was

right. There is a mistake in the article. I had also meant to mention that

the statement " Thimerosal is unrelated to the autism question. " was

incorrect, and also made no sense in the context of this article, where the

author had just said it did. Just goes to show we need to be careful, no

matter whose side they seem to be on. Lots of mistakes seem to float

around.

I do not believe it is true, however, as the alert reader noted, that " the

issue was Hg in most vaccines and measles virus causing neuro problems in

kids w/ weak immune systems " . I don't think it is known why some people

seem to have neurological and other probems with vaccines, mercury,e tc. and

others don't (at least don't obviously have them).

There are probably all sorts of ways these vaccines cause their damage.

Threshhold effects of mercury. Combined vaccines. Effects of suppressed

illness. Etc. Anyone?

Sandy from Alaska

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> I was wondering two things about this article:

> 1. do you have the link?

> 2. According to Dr. Wakefield, and as far as I can tell, there is no,

> and has never been Thimerosal in the MMR because it is too toxic (dug)

> for the live viruses (but evidently not for our kids, according to the

> manufacturers). All government info I can find supports that as well as

> some books. But this doesn't jive w/ this article, is it just a mistake?

> I thought the issue was Hg in most vaccines and measles virus causing

> neuro problems in kids w/ weak immune systems.

> Thanks!

> Subject: [ORAutismSupport] Fw: Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over

> Vaccine

> Message-ID: <016201c0cf47$ac373220$e96b323f@oemcomputer>

>

> Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine

>

> > Friday April 27 11:06 AM ET

> > Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine

> >

> > By Todd Zwillich

> >

> > WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - The chair of the House Government

> > Reform Committee (news - web sites) Thursday blasted federal science

> > and health officials for not recalling combination childhood vaccines

> > that he says may be causing autism in children who receive them.

> >

> > An Institute of Medicine (news - web sites) (IOM) panel earlier this

> > week issued a report concluding that there was no causal connection

> > between combination measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and an

> > increased risk of autism in children.

> >

> > Still, Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) confronted officials from the Food

> > and Drug Administration (news - web sites) (FDA), Centers for Disease

> > Control and Prevention (news - web sites), and the National

> > Institutes of Health (news - web sites) (NIH) over the vaccine on two

> > fronts.

> >

> > Besides its proposed link to autism, the combination MMR vaccine

> > contains thimerosal, a preservative that uses the toxic element

> > mercury as an active ingredient.

> >

> > Thimerosal is unrelated to the autism question. But the FDA has said

> > that in order to cut children's overall exposure to mercury, future

> > lots of MMR vaccine will contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts.

> > The NIH has just begun a 2-year, 10-center trial looking at blood and

> > urine mercury levels in children who receive the childhood

> > immunization schedule.

> >

> > But Burton expressed outrage that the agency is allowing two lots of

> > thimerosal-containing vaccine comprising thousands of doses to go to

> > market before mercury-free vaccine is produced.

> >

> > ``If there's any doubt whatsoever...and you're taking mercury out as

> > a precautionary measure, then why in the heck don't you get that

> > stuff off the market,'' he said.

> >

> > Dr. Midthun, who directs FDA's office of vaccine research and

> > review, told the committee that the agency lacks the authority to

> > force a recall of vaccines unless it can verify that the product

> > represents a clear and imminent threat to public safety.

> >

> > ``The preponderance of the evidence finds no causal relationship

> > between vaccines and autism,'' she said.

> >

> > The FDA contends that the premarket testing required of all vaccines

> > showed no increased risk of autism in children who got MMR shots.

> >

> > Midthun and others told the committee that the benefits of MMR and

> > other childhood vaccines in preventing infectious diseases in

> > children far outweighed the risk that the immunizations might be

> > linked to autism. They said that pulling available MMR doses from the

> > market would cause shortages in available vaccine and would also send

> > unjustified panic throughout the public about the safety of

> > immunizations.

> >

> > Burton, despite the IOM report and testimony on vaccine-preventable

> > diseases, maintained that MMR vaccine containing thimerosal should

> > not remain on the market. He called attention to his own grandson,

> > whom he says developed autism shortly after receiving recommended

> > vaccination shots.

> >

> > ``If you at the federal health agencies think this issue is going to

> > go away, you guys are blowing smoke,'' he said. ``If the health

> > agencies don't deal with this and deal with it quickly, you're going

> > to have a big problem over there.''

> >

April 27, 2001

I think you're right about different vaccines causing different sorts

of damage in different people. For some it might be a

straightforward allergic reaction that triggers anaphylaxis (the only

official contraindication in Canada). That would most likely

implicate specific ingredients. For others it might be the

accumulation of heavy metals like mercury and aluminium in the

brain. Still others who don't suffer obvious neurological damage but

develop what modern medicine vaguely (and conveniently) describes as

autoimmune conditions might be responding to viral contamination from

other species.

For children like my son, I think a likely explanation is that the

vaccine induces some form of mild (or not so mild depending on the

case) encephalitis, a common complication of the febrile illnesses

vaccines purportedly prevent. Perhaps, the vaccine induces an

atypical immune response which mimics that triggered by the actual

disease and brings on variants of the complications traditionally

associated with the disease. For some children the damage is minimal,

for others, it is considerable.

At the root of all these possible explanations is a real lack of

understanding of how the human immune system works. There isn't

anyone in the scientific community who would claim that modern

science has any more than a rudimentary understanding of human

immunity. Yet, almost without exception, they claim to know with

absolute certainty that vaccines are effective and totally safe. It's

arrogance, plain and simple.

Just my thoughts.

Nicola

Calgary, Alberta

Just some of my thoughts.

Nicola

Calgary, Alberta

> An alert reader pointed out to me that thimerasol is not in MMR and

she was

> right. There is a mistake in the article. I had also meant to

mention that

> the statement " Thimerosal is unrelated to the autism question. " was

> incorrect, and also made no sense in the context of this article,

where the

> author had just said it did. Just goes to show we need to be

careful, no

> matter whose side they seem to be on. Lots of mistakes seem to

float

> around.

>

> I do not believe it is true, however, as the alert reader noted,

that " the

> issue was Hg in most vaccines and measles virus causing neuro

problems in

> kids w/ weak immune systems " . I don't think it is known why some

people

> seem to have neurological and other probems with vaccines,

mercury,e tc. and

> others don't (at least don't obviously have them).

>

> There are probably all sorts of ways these vaccines cause their

damage.

> Threshhold effects of mercury. Combined vaccines. Effects of

suppressed

> illness. Etc. Anyone?

>

> Sandy from Alaska

>

> ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR

PROVIDED

> HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED

> AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS

NOT TO

> BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION

> WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE

> AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR

> HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

>

> > I was wondering two things about this article:

> > 1. do you have the link?

> > 2. According to Dr. Wakefield, and as far as I can tell, there

is no,

> > and has never been Thimerosal in the MMR because it is too toxic

(dug)

> > for the live viruses (but evidently not for our kids, according

to the

> > manufacturers). All government info I can find supports that as

well as

> > some books. But this doesn't jive w/ this article, is it just a

mistake?

> > I thought the issue was Hg in most vaccines and measles virus

causing

> > neuro problems in kids w/ weak immune systems.

> > Thanks!

> > Subject: [ORAutismSupport] Fw: Congressman, Health Officials Spar

Over

> > Vaccine

> > Message-ID: <016201c0cf47$ac373220$e96b323f@oemcomputer>

> >

> > Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine

> >

> > > Friday April 27 11:06 AM ET

> > > Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine

> > >

> > > By Todd Zwillich

> > >

> > > WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - The chair of the House Government

> > > Reform Committee (news - web sites) Thursday blasted federal

science

> > > and health officials for not recalling combination childhood

vaccines

> > > that he says may be causing autism in children who receive them.

> > >

> > > An Institute of Medicine (news - web sites) (IOM) panel earlier

this

> > > week issued a report concluding that there was no causal

connection

> > > between combination measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine

and an

> > > increased risk of autism in children.

> > >

> > > Still, Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) confronted officials from the

Food

> > > and Drug Administration (news - web sites) (FDA), Centers for

Disease

> > > Control and Prevention (news - web sites), and the National

> > > Institutes of Health (news - web sites) (NIH) over the vaccine

on two

> > > fronts.

> > >

> > > Besides its proposed link to autism, the combination MMR vaccine

> > > contains thimerosal, a preservative that uses the toxic element

> > > mercury as an active ingredient.

> > >

> > > Thimerosal is unrelated to the autism question. But the FDA has

said

> > > that in order to cut children's overall exposure to mercury,

future

> > > lots of MMR vaccine will contain no thimerosal or only trace

amounts.

> > > The NIH has just begun a 2-year, 10-center trial looking at

blood and

> > > urine mercury levels in children who receive the childhood

> > > immunization schedule.

> > >

> > > But Burton expressed outrage that the agency is allowing two

lots of

> > > thimerosal-containing vaccine comprising thousands of doses to

go to

> > > market before mercury-free vaccine is produced.

> > >

> > > ``If there's any doubt whatsoever...and you're taking mercury

out as

> > > a precautionary measure, then why in the heck don't you get that

> > > stuff off the market,'' he said.

> > >

> > > Dr. Midthun, who directs FDA's office of vaccine research

and

> > > review, told the committee that the agency lacks the authority

to

> > > force a recall of vaccines unless it can verify that the product

> > > represents a clear and imminent threat to public safety.

> > >

> > > ``The preponderance of the evidence finds no causal relationship

> > > between vaccines and autism,'' she said.

> > >

> > > The FDA contends that the premarket testing required of all

vaccines

> > > showed no increased risk of autism in children who got MMR

shots.

> > >

> > > Midthun and others told the committee that the benefits of MMR

and

> > > other childhood vaccines in preventing infectious diseases in

> > > children far outweighed the risk that the immunizations might be

> > > linked to autism. They said that pulling available MMR doses

from the

> > > market would cause shortages in available vaccine and would

also send

> > > unjustified panic throughout the public about the safety of

> > > immunizations.

> > >

> > > Burton, despite the IOM report and testimony on vaccine-

preventable

> > > diseases, maintained that MMR vaccine containing thimerosal

should

> > > not remain on the market. He called attention to his own

grandson,

> > > whom he says developed autism shortly after receiving

recommended

> > > vaccination shots.

> > >

> > > ``If you at the federal health agencies think this issue is

going to

> > > go away, you guys are blowing smoke,'' he said. ``If the health

> > > agencies don't deal with this and deal with it quickly, you're

going

> > > to have a big problem over there.''

> > >

April 27, 2001

Nicola, Very well put. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sandy

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AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO

BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE

AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR

HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine

> > >

> > > > Friday April 27 11:06 AM ET

> > > > Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine

> > > >

> > > > By Todd Zwillich

> > > >

> > > > WASHINGTON (Reuters Health) - The chair of the House Government

> > > > Reform Committee (news - web sites) Thursday blasted federal

> science

> > > > and health officials for not recalling combination childhood

> vaccines

> > > > that he says may be causing autism in children who receive them.

> > > >

> > > > An Institute of Medicine (news - web sites) (IOM) panel earlier

> this

> > > > week issued a report concluding that there was no causal

> connection

> > > > between combination measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine

> and an

> > > > increased risk of autism in children.

> > > >

> > > > Still, Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) confronted officials from the

> Food

> > > > and Drug Administration (news - web sites) (FDA), Centers for

> Disease

> > > > Control and Prevention (news - web sites), and the National

> > > > Institutes of Health (news - web sites) (NIH) over the vaccine

> on two

> > > > fronts.

> > > >

> > > > Besides its proposed link to autism, the combination MMR vaccine

> > > > contains thimerosal, a preservative that uses the toxic element

> > > > mercury as an active ingredient.

> > > >

> > > > Thimerosal is unrelated to the autism question. But the FDA has

> said

> > > > that in order to cut children's overall exposure to mercury,

> future

> > > > lots of MMR vaccine will contain no thimerosal or only trace

> amounts.

> > > > The NIH has just begun a 2-year, 10-center trial looking at

> blood and

> > > > urine mercury levels in children who receive the childhood

> > > > immunization schedule.

> > > >

> > > > But Burton expressed outrage that the agency is allowing two

> lots of

> > > > thimerosal-containing vaccine comprising thousands of doses to

> go to

> > > > market before mercury-free vaccine is produced.

> > > >

> > > > ``If there's any doubt whatsoever...and you're taking mercury

> out as

> > > > a precautionary measure, then why in the heck don't you get that

> > > > stuff off the market,'' he said.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Midthun, who directs FDA's office of vaccine research

> and

> > > > review, told the committee that the agency lacks the authority

> to

> > > > force a recall of vaccines unless it can verify that the product

> > > > represents a clear and imminent threat to public safety.

> > > >

> > > > ``The preponderance of the evidence finds no causal relationship

> > > > between vaccines and autism,'' she said.

> > > >

> > > > The FDA contends that the premarket testing required of all

> vaccines

> > > > showed no increased risk of autism in children who got MMR

> shots.

> > > >

> > > > Midthun and others told the committee that the benefits of MMR

> and

> > > > other childhood vaccines in preventing infectious diseases in

> > > > children far outweighed the risk that the immunizations might be

> > > > linked to autism. They said that pulling available MMR doses

> from the

> > > > market would cause shortages in available vaccine and would

> also send

> > > > unjustified panic throughout the public about the safety of

> > > > immunizations.

> > > >

> > > > Burton, despite the IOM report and testimony on vaccine-

> preventable

> > > > diseases, maintained that MMR vaccine containing thimerosal

> should

> > > > not remain on the market. He called attention to his own

> grandson,

> > > > whom he says developed autism shortly after receiving

> recommended

> > > > vaccination shots.

> > > >

> > > > ``If you at the federal health agencies think this issue is

> going to

> > > > go away, you guys are blowing smoke,'' he said. ``If the health

> > > > agencies don't deal with this and deal with it quickly, you're

> going

> > > > to have a big problem over there.''

> > > >

April 28, 2001

>

>At the root of all these possible explanations is a real lack of

>understanding of how the human immune system works. There isn't

>anyone in the scientific community who would claim that modern

>science has any more than a rudimentary understanding of human

>immunity. Yet, almost without exception, they claim to know with

>absolute certainty that vaccines are effective and totally safe. It's

>arrogance, plain and simple.

>

>Just my thoughts.

>

>Nicola

>Calgary, Alberta

You are exactly right, Nicola

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April 30, 2001

The plot thickens. According to Liz Birt, who is in one of my lists, there is

thimerosal in MMR. I had checked the PDR and it said there were no preservatives

used. However..........

Sandy from Alaska

Sandy: I have been working with Boyd Haley since September 2000 who testified

at the recent Congressional hearing. Your source is incorrect. I have

Boyd's testing results and there is mercury in MMR. He did not find as much

as what was in Hib, Hep B and DTaP. However, IT IS THERE. Whether this is

problematic since it may be acting to kill the live virus which makes the

vaccine more dangerous is open for debate. Also, my son got MMR and Hib at

the same time so he did get mercury from the Hib and MMR combined.

Nonetheless, the mercury in the MMR may be acting to depress the immune

system and to boost the immune system to an unacceptable level in some

children so they actually get the measles like my son. If you want any

additional information let me know.

It is in there believe me. We sent samples to Boyd Haley's laboratory

and he detected it. It is not disclosed because it is used in the

" manufacturing process " and is not used as a " preservative " . Liz Birt

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HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

April 30, 2001

This is also in the drops given for pink-eye or conjunctivitis. I know its

in the Neomycin drops.

Ellen

ladylumbee@...

I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is

not always right.

August 26, 2001

Here is the email I sent out in April. Sandy

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Congressman, Health Officials Spar Over Vaccine~Question

The plot thickens. According to Liz Birt, who is in one of my lists, there

is thimerosal in MMR. I had checked the PDR and it said there were no

preservatives used. However..........

Sandy from Alaska

Sandy: I have been working with Boyd Haley since September 2000 who

testified