Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Kurt How does one measure a gram of salt? thanks mjh Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:00:57 -0400 From: " Kurt \(web\) " <kurt@...> Subject: : Salt/C protocol summary Here is an extract from my blog (www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com <http://www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com/> ) and below that some good links. --Kurt Executive Summary of Salt/C For those who just want a quick overview of how the Salt/C protocol works, here is an 'Executive Summary,' as it is being used in the LymeStrategies group. This is simply a summary of what is working for many people who are using Salt/C. I am not a medical professional so therefore this is intended as a report and not advice for any health problem. Salt/C is as simple as it sounds, taking the right salt with a good quality vitamin C product. The basic protocol is as follows. People usually begin with 1g per day of salt and 1g per day of vitamin C, and then gradually ramp up (increase the dose) over a period of weeks or even months to around 8-12g per day of each taken throughout the day. The rule of thumb for maximum target dose is 1g for every 15 lbs (6.75 kilos) of bodyweight. The rule of thumb for how fast to ramp up is to GO SLOWLY. Unlike 'quick fix' treatments we have all been conditioned to expect in medicine, this is a gentle and gradual, but very powerful treatment. Regaining your health through Salt/C is no race; everyone improves at their own rate. The best salts for Salt/C are the " CMC " brand salt tablets featured on www.LymePhotos.com <http://www.lymephotos.com/> , also <http://www.krystalwebmatrix.com/> www.krystalwebmatrix.com (Hunza or Himalayan), or www.realsalt.com <http://www.realsalt.com/> . Some people use Celtic sea salt and a few other unprocessed natural salts. The Krystal Salt is probably considered the most powerful and effective, and has a nearly perfect mineral balance. People using the CMC salt usually add a liquid mineral supplement as the CMC tablets are a pure NaCl formulation (pharmaceutical grade), and extra minerals are needed to offset the high sodium levels. Most people using Salt/C do not even CONSIDER using Table salt. Not only will that not work right, but 12g per day could be harmful due to the additives it contains. There is no agreed-upon best vitamin C product. Some people do better with natural preparations of vitamin C, others do better when bioflavinoids are included (slower release, such as Ester-C). But most people are able to use a standard vitamin C product successfully. The period of time in which people ramp up to full dose is dependent on how well they feel as they take the salt. When they feel very poorly at a dose, usually they stay at that dose until they feel better again, and then increase the dose again. Or they may lower your dose until they feel better, then try increasing the dose again later. Some people can ramp-up to their full dose within 1-2 weeks, adding 1g per day, some add only 1g per week, and some people take many months to get to higher doses. Most people will feel a little better the first few days, but then gradually feel worse. This is defined as a 'die-off' reaction from killing pathogenic bacteria and other bugs, or a 'Herxheimer' effect ('herx' for short). For some people the herx involves exacerbation of symptoms they have had before. For others it involves completely new symptoms, often neurological in nature. The herx symptoms also tend to 'flare-up' every 3-5 weeks during Salt/C. The people who have succeeded in full remission of Lyme Disease have remained on the full protocol for at least 9 months, and up to 2 years. Some have chosen to remain at full dose after reaching " symptom-free " from Lyme, others have reduced to just a low " maintenance dose " (average 3 grams/day) and remained symptom-free. Most people using Salt/C are also using other natural treatments as adjunct. This is usually customized to the needs of the individual, and often the adjuncts are designed to help manage the herx symptoms. Some common areas for adjuncts include detoxification enhancement (gentle liver cleansing), metal binding (Chlorella, Spirulina, etc.), immune enhancement, anti-candida supplementation (Candex or Candidase, or others), glutathione boosting (whey proteins, Recancostat), adrenal support, heart support (cayenne or combination heart supplements), and natural antibiotics (colloid silver, oregano oil, olive leaf extract, etc.) . Some people are using Salt/C in combination with perscription medications, and in some cases Salt/C appears to enhance the effects of the medication. Review of several Salt-based Protocols This is my quick review of the current salt-related protocols for treating Lyme Disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and Fibromyalgia. Rumor has it that a number of physicians are conducting small-scale clinical trials of some variations on these. Will be interesting to see how that turns out. Each of these includes the basic combination of Salt and Vitamin C. There are various theories about why this works, but for the most part this is a synergistic 'discovery.' If you are interested in using Salt/C, I recommend reviewing most or all of these sites. One important warning though, I believe that there is one major omission in all of these, and that is that they lack any special kidney support or consideration for kidney health. While there is some controversy about this, my own experience has been that the kidneys need to rest from the higher Salt levels now and then. So I take one or two days a week off the protocol, and also take a full week off if my kidneys start to ache. However, some people seem to have little or no kidney distress from Salt/C. So caution is indicated, but hope for the best. Some people are recovering from these protocols alone, and some are improving a lot by combining Salt/C with other treatments. However, nobody claims that Salt/C is a cure for any of the conditions being treated. Most of the protocols, with the exception of Klinghardt, include indefinite use of the Salt/C. Original Salt/C protocol (Lyme-focused protocol by anonymous recovered persons, posted in 1999, their story has been validated) - http://www.lymephotos.com. This is probably the site that 'started it all.' The careful experimentation and following a hunch payed off in a major way. The people who discovered this protocol are continuing at full dose, and staying well now for 6+ years. Enhanced Salt/C protocol (more comprehensive, includes immune-boosting, detox, Rife, etc., by Marc Fett, recovered from Lyme Disease) - http://www.fettnet.com/lymestrategies/ . Marc is now using a reduced level of Salt/C and is continuing to stay well. Many other people are experiencing success from this protocol. Marc adds a lot of extras to Salt/C including supernutrients, multimineral supplements, immune boosting, etc. Enhanced Salt/C group (Discusses Marc Fett protocol, Marc moderates) - lymestrategies/. This group is reporting great success with Salt/C. This is a support-oriented group, and people working through the herx response are able to get useful feedback from others who are ahead of them on the protocol. Most of the people in this group have purchased Marc Fett's 'e-book' about his Enhanced Salt/C protocol. The group also discusses the original Salt/C protocol and other related topics. Recup, a Sodium/Potassium/Calcium/Magnesium blend (Alfred Blasi protocol, recovered from severe FM/CFS) http://www.alfredblasi.net/eng/experiencia/ingles.HTM. This is the web site containing Alfred's story of recovery from a nightmarish Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue condition. There are links on this page to the manufacturer of the mineral supplement Alfred invented. Alfred's patent rights were donated to ongoing research into the use of his protocol. The manufacturer is in Spain. Recup group (Discusses Blasi, FM/CFS, Alfred participates from time to time) AlfredblasiprotocolFMSCFS/ . This is a group dedicated to discussion of the Blasi protocol. This is a support group of sorts, and people get help working through issues related to using Recup for FM/CFS. Dr. Klinghardt Protocol (Uses Salt/C as a 3 month parasite cleanse adjunct, Lyme-focused) http://www.neuraltherapy.com/word/Lyme1204.doc . This is a doctor-recommended protocol with many improvements reported, my own MD recommends this protocol. Incidentally, Klinghardt also has a neurotoxin cleanse protocol, and heavy metal recommends. See: http://www.neuraltherapy.com/articlesProtocols.asp Experimental Salt/C discussion group (Discusses Salt/C for all conditions) salt-n-c/ This group discusses Salt/C treatments in general, mostly for CFS/ME type conditions. This is a new group (May 2005). Co-Cure Salt Page (Discusses natural salt) http://www.curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp Although not a protocol, this page is a wonderful explanation of why we need, and are deficient in, the minerals contained in natural salts. If you are considering using ANY salt protocl, I highly recommend reading this page. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 For most natural salts a quarter teaspoon would be approximately one gram. For some of the more coarse grinds may take a bit more. --Kurt : Salt/C protocol summary Here is an extract from my blog (www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com <http://www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com/> ) and below that some good links. --Kurt Executive Summary of Salt/C For those who just want a quick overview of how the Salt/C protocol works, here is an 'Executive Summary,' as it is being used in the LymeStrategies group. This is simply a summary of what is working for many people who are using Salt/C. I am not a medical professional so therefore this is intended as a report and not advice for any health problem. Salt/C is as simple as it sounds, taking the right salt with a good quality vitamin C product. The basic protocol is as follows. People usually begin with 1g per day of salt and 1g per day of vitamin C, and then gradually ramp up (increase the dose) over a period of weeks or even months to around 8-12g per day of each taken throughout the day. The rule of thumb for maximum target dose is 1g for every 15 lbs (6.75 kilos) of bodyweight. The rule of thumb for how fast to ramp up is to GO SLOWLY. Unlike 'quick fix' treatments we have all been conditioned to expect in medicine, this is a gentle and gradual, but very powerful treatment. Regaining your health through Salt/C is no race; everyone improves at their own rate. The best salts for Salt/C are the " CMC " brand salt tablets featured on www.LymePhotos.com <http://www.lymephotos.com/> , also <http://www.krystalwebmatrix.com/> www.krystalwebmatrix.com (Hunza or Himalayan), or www.realsalt.com <http://www.realsalt.com/> . Some people use Celtic sea salt and a few other unprocessed natural salts. The Krystal Salt is probably considered the most powerful and effective, and has a nearly perfect mineral balance. People using the CMC salt usually add a liquid mineral supplement as the CMC tablets are a pure NaCl formulation (pharmaceutical grade), and extra minerals are needed to offset the high sodium levels. Most people using Salt/C do not even CONSIDER using Table salt. Not only will that not work right, but 12g per day could be harmful due to the additives it contains. There is no agreed-upon best vitamin C product. Some people do better with natural preparations of vitamin C, others do better when bioflavinoids are included (slower release, such as Ester-C). But most people are able to use a standard vitamin C product successfully. The period of time in which people ramp up to full dose is dependent on how well they feel as they take the salt. When they feel very poorly at a dose, usually they stay at that dose until they feel better again, and then increase the dose again. Or they may lower your dose until they feel better, then try increasing the dose again later. Some people can ramp-up to their full dose within 1-2 weeks, adding 1g per day, some add only 1g per week, and some people take many months to get to higher doses. Most people will feel a little better the first few days, but then gradually feel worse. This is defined as a 'die-off' reaction from killing pathogenic bacteria and other bugs, or a 'Herxheimer' effect ('herx' for short). For some people the herx involves exacerbation of symptoms they have had before. For others it involves completely new symptoms, often neurological in nature. The herx symptoms also tend to 'flare-up' every 3-5 weeks during Salt/C. The people who have succeeded in full remission of Lyme Disease have remained on the full protocol for at least 9 months, and up to 2 years. Some have chosen to remain at full dose after reaching " symptom-free " from Lyme, others have reduced to just a low " maintenance dose " (average 3 grams/day) and remained symptom-free. Most people using Salt/C are also using other natural treatments as adjunct. This is usually customized to the needs of the individual, and often the adjuncts are designed to help manage the herx symptoms. Some common areas for adjuncts include detoxification enhancement (gentle liver cleansing), metal binding (Chlorella, Spirulina, etc.), immune enhancement, anti-candida supplementation (Candex or Candidase, or others), glutathione boosting (whey proteins, Recancostat), adrenal support, heart support (cayenne or combination heart supplements), and natural antibiotics (colloid silver, oregano oil, olive leaf extract, etc.) . Some people are using Salt/C in combination with perscription medications, and in some cases Salt/C appears to enhance the effects of the medication. Review of several Salt-based Protocols This is my quick review of the current salt-related protocols for treating Lyme Disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and Fibromyalgia. Rumor has it that a number of physicians are conducting small-scale clinical trials of some variations on these. Will be interesting to see how that turns out. Each of these includes the basic combination of Salt and Vitamin C. There are various theories about why this works, but for the most part this is a synergistic 'discovery.' If you are interested in using Salt/C, I recommend reviewing most or all of these sites. One important warning though, I believe that there is one major omission in all of these, and that is that they lack any special kidney support or consideration for kidney health. While there is some controversy about this, my own experience has been that the kidneys need to rest from the higher Salt levels now and then. So I take one or two days a week off the protocol, and also take a full week off if my kidneys start to ache. However, some people seem to have little or no kidney distress from Salt/C. So caution is indicated, but hope for the best. Some people are recovering from these protocols alone, and some are improving a lot by combining Salt/C with other treatments. However, nobody claims that Salt/C is a cure for any of the conditions being treated. Most of the protocols, with the exception of Klinghardt, include indefinite use of the Salt/C. Original Salt/C protocol (Lyme-focused protocol by anonymous recovered persons, posted in 1999, their story has been validated) - http://www.lymephotos.com. This is probably the site that 'started it all.' The careful experimentation and following a hunch payed off in a major way. The people who discovered this protocol are continuing at full dose, and staying well now for 6+ years. Enhanced Salt/C protocol (more comprehensive, includes immune-boosting, detox, Rife, etc., by Marc Fett, recovered from Lyme Disease) - http://www.fettnet.com/lymestrategies/ . Marc is now using a reduced level of Salt/C and is continuing to stay well. Many other people are experiencing success from this protocol. Marc adds a lot of extras to Salt/C including supernutrients, multimineral supplements, immune boosting, etc. Enhanced Salt/C group (Discusses Marc Fett protocol, Marc moderates) - lymestrategies/. <lymestrategies/> This group is reporting great success with Salt/C. This is a support-oriented group, and people working through the herx response are able to get useful feedback from others who are ahead of them on the protocol. Most of the people in this group have purchased Marc Fett's 'e-book' about his Enhanced Salt/C protocol. The group also discusses the original Salt/C protocol and other related topics. Recup, a Sodium/Potassium/Calcium/Magnesium blend (Alfred Blasi protocol, recovered from severe FM/CFS) http://www.alfredblasi.net/eng/experiencia/ingles.HTM. This is the web site containing Alfred's story of recovery from a nightmarish Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue condition. There are links on this page to the manufacturer of the mineral supplement Alfred invented. Alfred's patent rights were donated to ongoing research into the use of his protocol. The manufacturer is in Spain. Recup group (Discusses Blasi, FM/CFS, Alfred participates from time to time) AlfredblasiprotocolFMSCFS/ . This is a group dedicated to discussion of the Blasi protocol. This is a support group of sorts, and people get help working through issues related to using Recup for FM/CFS. Dr. Klinghardt Protocol (Uses Salt/C as a 3 month parasite cleanse adjunct, Lyme-focused) http://www.neuraltherapy.com/word/Lyme1204.doc . This is a doctor-recommended protocol with many improvements reported, my own MD recommends this protocol. Incidentally, Klinghardt also has a neurotoxin cleanse protocol, and heavy metal recommends. See: http://www.neuraltherapy.com/articlesProtocols.asp Experimental Salt/C discussion group (Discusses Salt/C for all conditions) salt-n-c/ This group discusses Salt/C treatments in general, mostly for CFS/ME type conditions. This is a new group (May 2005). Co-Cure Salt Page (Discusses natural salt) http://www.curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp Although not a protocol, this page is a wonderful explanation of why we need, and are deficient in, the minerals contained in natural salts. If you are considering using ANY salt protocl, I highly recommend reading this page. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hello, I do 1 tsp. a day, 1/2 tsp of good sea salt (www.realsalt.com) and 1/2 tsp of powdered vitamin C twice a day. I usally add 1/4 tsp. of baking soda to one of the doses - usually when I don't plan on eating any meat. I do it to alkalize, but it has other benefits too: http://cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitC_BSoda.html You can read more at http://lymephotos.com/ Cheers, Brad On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:03 AM, wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: > > > >>I do the Salt/C protocol which is >> great for eliminating bacteria, protozoa, and parasites. > > Brad, How much of salt/c do you take daily? Are you still doing this > protocol? TIA, Gail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 P.S. 1 teaspoon is about 5 grams so 15 grams is about 3 tsp. Brad On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...> wrote: > Hello, > >  I do 1 tsp. a day, 1/2 tsp of good sea salt (www.realsalt.com) and > 1/2 tsp of powdered vitamin C twice a day.  I usally add 1/4 tsp. of > baking soda to one of the doses - usually when I don't plan on eating > any meat.  I do it to alkalize, but it has other benefits too: > > http://cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitC_BSoda.html > >  You can read more at http://lymephotos.com/ > > Cheers, > Brad > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:03 AM, wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: >> >> >> >>>I do the Salt/C protocol which is >>> great for eliminating bacteria, protozoa, and parasites. >> >> Brad, How much of salt/c do you take daily? Are you still doing this >> protocol? TIA, Gail >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 -Brad, Does this amount cause any mineral imbalance in you? If so, do you supplement with minerals and how much of what? Thanks again, Gail -- In , Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...> wrote: > > P.S. 1 teaspoon is about 5 grams so 15 grams is about 3 tsp. > > Brad > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > > >  I do 1 tsp. a day, 1/2 tsp of good sea salt (www.realsalt.com) and > > 1/2 tsp of powdered vitamin C twice a day.  I usally add 1/4 tsp. of > > baking soda to one of the doses - usually when I don't plan on eating > > any meat.  I do it to alkalize, but it has other benefits too: > > > > http://cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitC_BSoda.html > > > >  You can read more at http://lymephotos.com/ > > > > Cheers, > > Brad > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:03 AM, wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I do the Salt/C protocol which is > >>> great for eliminating bacteria, protozoa, and parasites. > >> > >> Brad, How much of salt/c do you take daily? Are you still doing this > >> protocol? TIA, Gail > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009  what does this salt c protocol do for you ? Re: Salt/C protocol Hello,I do 1 tsp. a day, 1/2 tsp of good sea salt (www.realsalt.com) and1/2 tsp of powdered vitamin C twice a day. I usally add 1/4 tsp. ofbaking soda to one of the doses - usually when I don't plan on eatingany meat. I do it to alkalize, but it has other benefits too:http://cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitC_BSoda.htmlYou can read more at http://lymephotos.com/Cheers,BradOn Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:03 AM, wanda85929 <wanda85929 > wrote:>>> >>I do the Salt/C protocol which is>> great for eliminating bacteria, protozoa, and parasites.>> Brad, How much of salt/c do you take daily? Are you still doing this> protocol? TIA, Gail>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 A WARNING on the salt-c protocol -- many people add large amounts of this electrolyte to their bodies without thinking about BALANCING it with potassium. When potassium is low, and most of us are already deficient, the excess sodium causes wasting (rhabdomyolysis) of tissues that statin drugs cause, which is sometimes fatal. The wasting usually first involves the heart, large skeletal muscles and the brain, thus the warnings on the labvel. Same disorder - in this case you can try it at home. Duncan E. it without > > what does this salt c protocol do for you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Thanks, Duncan, for pointing that out! Folks, as a person whose electrolytes FREQUENTLY get out of whack, I know that you have to get the right combination of salt, calcium, magnesium and potassium or you can have consequences. Fortunately, for me, it is usually just muscle spasms but I have to watch that I keep things in balance. I found that although I eat plenty of calcium rich foods, my body wasn't absorbing it because I wasn't getting enough magnesium and Vitamin D. Also, lab tests confirmed that I lose LOTS of potassium in summer due to persperation so I have to take supplements (or eat lots of bananas though, unfortunately, they're full of sugar). I only use Celtic Sea Salt but I'll have to look into that Himalayan salt... - Duncan Crow writes: > A WARNING on the salt-c protocol -- many people add large amounts of this electrolyte to their bodies without thinking about BALANCING it with potassium. When potassium is low, and most of us are already deficient, the excess sodium causes wasting (rhabdomyolysis) of tissues that statin drugs cause, which is sometimes fatal. The wasting usually first involves the heart, large skeletal muscles and the brain, thus the warnings on the labvel. Same disorder - in this case you can try it at home. > > Duncan > > E. it without >> >> what does this salt c protocol do for you ? > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Very good points, One of the reasons I use Hypo-Aller C, but probably not enough potassium to avoid the issues that Duncan highlights. Balance is critical and I will look further into it. Electrolyte balance is why I do NOT like the base Master Cleanse and believe it needs to be modified to incorporate more electrolytes. http://www.nutribiotic.com/hypo-aller-c-8oz.html " In addition to a near neutral pH and being well tolerated by the chemically sensitive, Hypo-Aller-C delivers 350 mg of magnesium in a 1:1 ratio with calcium, per serving. This significant level, along with 100 mg of potassium and 6 mg of zinc, as ascorbates, answers the increasingly recognized need for higher levels of magnesium in supplemental form. Magnesium is crucial in over 325 biochemical reactions in the body. As magnesium plays a central role in cell membrane potential, it is key in the uptake and release of hormones, neurotransmitters, macro minerals (e.g. calcium), and electrolytes. Literally hundreds of disorders are associated with sub-optimal tissue levels of vitamin C and magnesium. " Thanks, Brad On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:51 PM, <aljuarez@...> wrote: > > > Thanks, Duncan, for pointing that out! Folks, as a person whose electrolytes > FREQUENTLY get out of whack, I know that you have to get the right > combination of salt, calcium, magnesium and potassium or you can have > consequences. Fortunately, for me, it is usually just muscle spasms but I > have to watch that I keep things in balance. > > I found that although I eat plenty of calcium rich foods, my body wasn't > absorbing it because I wasn't getting enough magnesium and Vitamin D. Also, > lab tests confirmed that I lose LOTS of potassium in summer due to > persperation so I have to take supplements (or eat lots of bananas though, > unfortunately, they're full of sugar). > > I only use Celtic Sea Salt but I'll have to look into that Himalayan salt... > > - > > Duncan Crow writes: > >> A WARNING on the salt-c protocol -- many people add large amounts of this >> electrolyte to their bodies without thinking about BALANCING it with >> potassium. When potassium is low, and most of us are already deficient, the >> excess sodium causes wasting (rhabdomyolysis) of tissues that statin drugs >> cause, which is sometimes fatal. The wasting usually first involves the >> heart, large skeletal muscles and the brain, thus the warnings on the >> labvel. Same disorder - in this case you can try it at home. >> >> Duncan >> >> E. it without >>> >>> what does this salt c protocol do for you ? >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 You can use " NO-Salt " , which is a potassium salt, in your food, to balance somewhat the extra sodium, and get your mineals from a chelated souce like humic shale or better, deep-sea deposits (montmorillonite) like Integris' Kona Gold. all good, Duncan > >> > >> what does this salt c protocol do for you ? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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