RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/14/2003 8:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

info@... writes:

<< Hi Kathy - good to see your name, but & company should stay

away from the O newbies. They have abused enough people already. >>

This is REALLY true. People were constantly criticized or flamed and their

mail " monitored " before it was posted. There are a lot of us here who were

there first.

[Guest guest]

<<Some of the members of the Live Right list, several of whom have been

working with ER several years, and/or work professionally with it, have

formed a team to help people who are new to the

theory. A major goal of the team is to help newbies understand and utilize

the food lists and the theory in general, and to prevent incorrect

information from being posted as factual.>>

Kathy,

Forgive me but I'm a bit confused. If the advanced list is only open to

veterans, in what forum or venue will they be helping newbies?

Thanks!

Dianne in LA

O+ non-secretor

coming up on my 5 year BTD anniversary!

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy - good to see your name, but & company should stay

away from the O newbies. They have abused enough people already. For all

new members:

Those who run those lists are dictators. For your own good, don¡Çt go

there. Plus they push SHAKLEE products. What is that all about?

They also have to approve you? Join if you want to be controlled.

Love

Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

Hello everyone,

Two new blood type lists have been formed recently. One is for newbies

who

are just beginning, or may be considering the program, but don't know a

lot

about it. It also is for people who want basic discussions about food,

recipes and lifestyles for each blood type, without getting into

complex

discussions about supplements, health problems, etc. The other is for

people who have been committed to the theory for a long time, and are at

varying levels of expertise and experience. This post is an invitation

to

those who might want to join one or the other, or both.

The list for the blood type veterans is a new Live Right 4 Your Type

list.

To qualify for the LR list, a person must use blood type theory

themselves,

and must own and have read, or at least own and have a working knowledge

of,

all the first four books by Dr. D'Adamo. Only the food list

booklets

and the new baby book are not required for membership, although members

are

encouraged to at least read them eventually. List applicants must have

had a

secretor test, done either with blood or saliva. The entire blood

serotyping is encouraged for all members, but it is not required for

acceptance to the list.

Some of the members of the Live Right list, several of whom have been

working with ER several years, and/or work professionally

with it, have formed a team to help people who are new to the

theory. A major goal of the team is to help newbies understand and

utilize

the food lists and the theory in general, and to prevent incorrect

information from being posted as factual.

The veteran team will be working with newbies on the ER4YT-Basic list,

owned by Sue, who is from England and presently lives in Cyprus. She is

a type A with type O family members, and very involved with family food

preparation that is ER-compliant. There are no requirements for

membership

other than an interest in ER. To join this list, send an email to

ER4YT-Basic-subscribe

To apply for membership on the list for ER veterans, which is co-owned

by

several of the members, scattered throughout the U.S., send an email to

Live-Right-4-Your-Type-subscribe

Sincerely,

The ER4YT Veteran Team

[Guest guest]

<<<<<< To prevent incorrect information from being posted as

factual.>>>>

that is funny - Tiger medicine use to recommend Evening primrose oil to

Os. Don't get me started.

How are you Dianne?

[Guest guest]

There is a Basics list that Sue from Cyprus started for those who didn't

have all the books where they are available and for those from countries

that don't have all the books translated into the language or languages they

speak.

RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

> <<Some of the members of the Live Right list, several of whom have been

> working with ER several years, and/or work professionally with it, have

> formed a team to help people who are new to the

> theory. A major goal of the team is to help newbies understand and utilize

> the food lists and the theory in general, and to prevent incorrect

> information from being posted as factual.>>

>

> Kathy,

>

> Forgive me but I'm a bit confused. If the advanced list is only open to

> veterans, in what forum or venue will they be helping newbies?

>

> Thanks!

> Dianne in LA

> O+ non-secretor

> coming up on my 5 year BTD anniversary!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Jane, the Tiger Medicine in your Tucson phone book is one and the same.

Although they profess to be blood type followers, they are Shaklee

salespeople and in the end that's what they push regardless of blood-type

compliance.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/15/2003 9:03:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

S@... writes:

<< Are

THE OTHER ELIZABETH and Tabitha back? AAAAHHHH, run! I love the " expert "

tag they put on themselves. Expert in running people off, more like it.

But you know, , they'll run them off and then they can join a

semi-sane group such as ours. LOL.

The GOOD

Richmond, Virginia >>

LOL--I remember the " Which are you? " days.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/15/2003 2:13:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dwaldman@... writes:

> they are Shaklee

> salespeople and in the end that's what they push regardless of blood-type

> compliance.

>

>

Sounds familiar to me.

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

[Guest guest]

Good grief, miss a day because of madness and look what I miss. Are

THE OTHER ELIZABETH and Tabitha back? AAAAHHHH, run! I love the " expert "

tag they put on themselves. Expert in running people off, more like it.

But you know, , they'll run them off and then they can join a

semi-sane group such as ours. LOL.

The GOOD

Richmond, Virginia

Hi Kathy - good to see your name, but & company should stay

away from the O newbies. They have abused enough people already. For all

new members:

Those who run those lists are dictators. For your own good, don?ft go

there. Plus they push SHAKLEE products. What is that all about?

They also have to approve you? Join if you want to be controlled.

Love

[Guest guest]

HEEEE HEEE HEEEE HEEE (evil cackle). You're right, I'm the good

from the east and she's the " other " one from the west. LOL. Goodness, I

remember the h*%# those two put a lot of us through until we got out and

found this wonderful group. Rhonda from Australia still hasn't come back,

though I occasionally e-mail her to see how she's doing.

Richmond, Virginia

LOL . You are the good witch. hahahaha

[Guest guest]

I am so confused:-( I don't know which group to belong to.

Is this the ORIGINAL " good guys " ?:-)

I am soooo new to this group and to the book, one month I have been using it

So I need trustworthy people!!!

I use a system to test foods and supplements to see if my body rejects or

accepts them and when I tested Shaklee I nearly fell over backwards, my body

was rejecting them so STRONGLY!!!! So you don't need to guess how I feel

about that product!!!:-)

-- RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

HEEEE HEEE HEEEE HEEE (evil cackle). You're right, I'm the good

from the east and she's the " other " one from the west. LOL. Goodness, I

remember the h*%# those two put a lot of us through until we got out and

found this wonderful group. Rhonda from Australia still hasn't come back,

though I occasionally e-mail her to see how she's doing.

Richmond, Virginia

LOL . You are the good witch. hahahaha

[Guest guest]

That's why I specify Richmond, Virginia. The other one was just too

grasping and dictatorial for words.

Richmond, Virginia

LOL--I remember the " Which are you? " days.

[Guest guest]

To set the record straight, Tiger Medicine is no longer in existence. Someone is

reading really old phone books. It was a clinic in Tucson where I and my husband

worked together for three years. He practices Traditional Chinese Medicine and

encourages the use of ER in his practice.

For the last 18 months he has been on the faculty of the Phoenix Institute of

Herbal Medicine and Acupuncture, a four-year school of Chinese medicine, so we

have left Tucson. About a third of his students are either already naturopaths

or are working on their naturopathy degree at the Southwest Naturopathy School

in the Phoenix area. The blood serotyping for ER is done at the Rockwell lab

that Dr. Kruzel moved with him from Oregon when he became the medical director

of the school and its medical clinic, the Southwest Naturopathic Medical Center.

Tiger Medicine was listed among the practitioners of ER on Dr. D's website the

entire time it was in operation. I don't know if that section is still on there

or not.

I have had many discussions with Heidi who writes Dr. D's column about our work

when Tiger Medicine was in operation as a clinic in Tucson. It now is the name I

often use as my online name.

Ironically most of the students and naturopaths tell my DH they don't work with

and/or use ER, and he often is more pro-ER than they are! They generally don't

seem to know a lot about it either.

We both help people with diet and supplement programs that include several

brands and recommendations, including Shaklee, which is owned by a Japanese

Pharmaceutical company and has quite a few products in line with Chinese medical

theory. We work out of a clinic in the Phoenix area. My DH also is a member of

the faculty clinic at PIHMA and supervises student clinics there as well, which

means he supervises some naturopathy students as well, since they have to do

their acupuncture clinics at PIHMA.

While we had Tiger Medicine in Tucson, we had a close working relationship with

, who runs the lab for Dr. Kruzel, as we ordered blood serotyping for our

patients and helped teach them about ER. Now we just send people directly to

for the bloodwork, since we are in the same metro area. In Tucson, the

blood had to be drawn there and then sent to , so it is much easier now

for patients. My DH only works with ER privately, since only traditional Chinese

medicine, including traditional bulk herbs, are allowed at his PIHMA clinics.

The veterinarians in Tucson and Green Valley, who practice acupuncture and

herbology on pets, including curing some of cancer, were delighted when they

learned we were in Tucson and sent us the pet parents throughout our stay there.

One of their herbology mentors is also my DH's, Dr. Zhao in Santa Fe, and he

recommended us to them when we first moved there. My DH is a graduate of the

International Institute of Chinese Medicine in Santa Fe, a four-year program

that offers one of the best herbology programs in the U.S. Most of the herbal

prescriptions he prefers to use are formulas put together by his mentor, whom

the vets also study with, which he orders from Dr. Zhao. He also uses some

Shaklee products in his practice because the quality and science of the products

meet the standards he acquired through his years of medical training by people

who were from China, many of them MDs in China. He also uses and/or recommends

some other brands too, including several of Dr. D's products.

My DH is fluent and/or reads about 16 'live and dead' languages, and tries to

teach at least one Sanskrit course a year at local colleges. He also teaches

conversational Spanish, but prefers working with police departments in that

respect. He will be teaching Egyptian heiroglyphics in the fall at a local

college.

In addition to my full-time health work guiding people through ER and other food

plans appropriate for their needs, I am working on a masters degree in Vedic

Astrology, a sister science to, and some consider even a component of, Ayurvedic

Medicine, the ancient system out of India made famous in the U.S. by Depok

Chopra. It also is called Jyotish, or Science of Light.

I am a former full-time journalist, a Baylor U. graduate, who was working for

the San Light (Hearst Corp.), one of the the countries largest dailies

at the time, at a very young age. I also worked for Scripps- in South

Florida. But I have been helping people put together diet and supplement

programs since I was in college in the early 1970s, using many brands and

theories, and I have done some health writing through the years, freelance and

for the daily newspapers where I worked. Having been raised in an aspect of the

health food industry, it has been a lifelong study and pursuit.

For the record, I don't own nor moderate the new ER4YT-Basic list, so please

don't slander people the people who do, as I saw in some posts on this list. And

I am not the only owner of the other list, as there are several. Tabitha has

been gone from ALL ER lists for about a year.

RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

Yes Jane, the Tiger Medicine in your Tucson phone book is one and the same.

Although they profess to be blood type followers, they are Shaklee

salespeople and in the end that's what they push regardless of blood-type

compliance.

[Guest guest]

I can only say the same as and the GOOD :

I started on the other group - they kicked me out because I dared to ask

questions ... that sould tell you enough.

In this group I always meet friends and good information -

Hi to everybody and thanks to everybody here !

love

, S. schrieb:

>Good grief, miss a day because of madness and look what I miss. Are

>THE OTHER ELIZABETH and Tabitha back? AAAAHHHH, run! I love the " expert "

>tag they put on themselves. Expert in running people off, more like it.

>

>But you know, , they'll run them off and then they can join a

>semi-sane group such as ours. LOL.

>

>The GOOD

>Richmond, Virginia

>

>

>Hi Kathy - good to see your name, but & company should stay

>away from the O newbies. They have abused enough people already. For all

>new members:

>Those who run those lists are dictators. For your own good, don?ft go

>there. Plus they push SHAKLEE products. What is that all about?

>They also have to approve you? Join if you want to be controlled.

>

>Love

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your kind words, . The only reason I can see in them

starting up the new lists is that they've run out of Shaklee victims...er,

" new members, " and need to expand their horizons (and profits). I'm ashamed

to say that they got me for some money before I was kicked out.

Richmond, Virginia

I can only say the same as and the GOOD :

I started on the other group - they kicked me out because I dared to ask

questions ... that sould tell you enough.

In this group I always meet friends and good information -

Hi to everybody and thanks to everybody here !

love

[Guest guest]

I was wondering to. ..And what's wrong with this list we're on ? It includes

everyone.

Emm

[Guest guest]

Hi, Everyone!

Thanks so much to all who responded with the info that the person you were

speaking of is the same person I am aware of in Tucson.

I'm sad that many of you had painful experiences with her, and I'm glad you

have found a safe place here. I like this group a lot and I appreciate all

the sharing and support that goes on here.

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

[Guest guest]

Yes, this is the place - also:

http://www.foodforyourblood.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi

RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

HEEEE HEEE HEEEE HEEE (evil cackle). You're right, I'm the good

from the east and she's the " other " one from the west. LOL. Goodness, I

remember the h*%# those two put a lot of us through until we got out and

found this wonderful group. Rhonda from Australia still hasn't come

back,

though I occasionally e-mail her to see how she's doing.

Richmond, Virginia

LOL . You are the good witch. hahahaha

[Guest guest]

You are a little too long again and not telling the truth.You have

BANNED many of us and you are the reason why deleted the links to

all btd groups.

So please go away - no matter what tactics you try using to look

" " good " " it will not work.

Good by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

To set the record straight, Tiger Medicine is no longer in existence.

Someone is reading really old phone books. It was a clinic in Tucson

where I and my husband worked together for three years. He practices

Traditional Chinese Medicine and encourages the use of ER in his

practice.

For the last 18 months he has been on the faculty of the Phoenix

Institute of Herbal Medicine and Acupuncture, a four-year school of

Chinese medicine, so we have left Tucson. About a third of his students

are either already naturopaths or are working on their naturopathy

degree at the Southwest Naturopathy School in the Phoenix area. The

blood serotyping for ER is done at the Rockwell lab that Dr. Kruzel

moved with him from Oregon when he became the medical director of the

school and its medical clinic, the Southwest Naturopathic Medical

Center.

Tiger Medicine was listed among the practitioners of ER on Dr. D's

website the entire time it was in operation. I don't know if that

section is still on there or not.

I have had many discussions with Heidi who writes Dr. D's column about

our work when Tiger Medicine was in operation as a clinic in Tucson. It

now is the name I often use as my online name.

Ironically most of the students and naturopaths tell my DH they don't

work with and/or use ER, and he often is more pro-ER than they are! They

generally don't seem to know a lot about it either.

We both help people with diet and supplement programs that include

several brands and recommendations, including Shaklee, which is owned by

a Japanese Pharmaceutical company and has quite a few products in line

with Chinese medical theory. We work out of a clinic in the Phoenix

area. My DH also is a member of the faculty clinic at PIHMA and

supervises student clinics there as well, which means he supervises some

naturopathy students as well, since they have to do their acupuncture

clinics at PIHMA.

While we had Tiger Medicine in Tucson, we had a close working

relationship with , who runs the lab for Dr. Kruzel, as we

ordered blood serotyping for our patients and helped teach them about

ER. Now we just send people directly to for the bloodwork, since

we are in the same metro area. In Tucson, the blood had to be drawn

there and then sent to , so it is much easier now for patients.

My DH only works with ER privately, since only traditional Chinese

medicine, including traditional bulk herbs, are allowed at his PIHMA

clinics.

The veterinarians in Tucson and Green Valley, who practice acupuncture

and herbology on pets, including curing some of cancer, were delighted

when they learned we were in Tucson and sent us the pet parents

throughout our stay there. One of their herbology mentors is also my

DH's, Dr. Zhao in Santa Fe, and he recommended us to them when we first

moved there. My DH is a graduate of the International Institute of

Chinese Medicine in Santa Fe, a four-year program that offers one of the

best herbology programs in the U.S. Most of the herbal prescriptions he

prefers to use are formulas put together by his mentor, whom the vets

also study with, which he orders from Dr. Zhao. He also uses some

Shaklee products in his practice because the quality and science of the

products meet the standards he acquired through his years of medical

training by people who were from China, many of them MDs in China. He

also uses and/or recommends some other brands too, including several of

Dr. D's products.

My DH is fluent and/or reads about 16 'live and dead' languages, and

tries to teach at least one Sanskrit course a year at local colleges. He

also teaches conversational Spanish, but prefers working with police

departments in that respect. He will be teaching Egyptian heiroglyphics

in the fall at a local college.

In addition to my full-time health work guiding people through ER and

other food plans appropriate for their needs, I am working on a masters

degree in Vedic Astrology, a sister science to, and some consider even a

component of, Ayurvedic Medicine, the ancient system out of India made

famous in the U.S. by Depok Chopra. It also is called Jyotish, or

Science of Light.

I am a former full-time journalist, a Baylor U. graduate, who was

working for the San Light (Hearst Corp.), one of the the

countries largest dailies at the time, at a very young age. I also

worked for Scripps- in South Florida. But I have been helping

people put together diet and supplement programs since I was in college

in the early 1970s, using many brands and theories, and I have done some

health writing through the years, freelance and for the daily newspapers

where I worked. Having been raised in an aspect of the health food

industry, it has been a lifelong study and pursuit.

For the record, I don't own nor moderate the new ER4YT-Basic list, so

please don't slander people the people who do, as I saw in some posts on

this list. And I am not the only owner of the other list, as there are

several. Tabitha has been gone from ALL ER lists for about a year.

RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

Yes Jane, the Tiger Medicine in your Tucson phone book is one and the

same.

Although they profess to be blood type followers, they are Shaklee

salespeople and in the end that's what they push regardless of

blood-type

compliance.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/18/2003 8:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tenzin@... writes:

<< My DH is fluent and/or reads about 16 'live and dead' languages, and tries

to teach at least one Sanskrit course a year at local colleges. >>

Hey, if he speaks Klingon, there's a mental health Clinic in Portland with a

job opening.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/18/2003 9:10:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

info@... writes:

<< So please go away - no matter what tactics you try using to look

" " good " " it will not work.

Good by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>

LOL.--Gee , why don't you quit beating around the bush and tell us how

you really feel.

[Guest guest]

:-)

Re: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

In a message dated 5/18/2003 9:10:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

info@... writes:

<< So please go away - no matter what tactics you try using to look

" " good " " it will not work.

Good by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>

LOL.--Gee , why don't you quit beating around the bush and tell us

how

you really feel.

[Guest guest]

> YOU have YOUR facts wrong. dropped the links at MY SUGGESTION. It was my

idea that I shared with Heidi and she took the proposal to . If you don't

believe that, ask Heidi, as she gave him the information after we had much

discussion about what to do with a lot of problems on the lists, including

too many rude people and men who stalked women.

> From: " Dekany " <info@...>

> Date: 2003/05/18 Sun PM 09:15:47 EDT

> < >

> Subject: RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is rudeness like this that not only led to cutting the links from

his website, but also led Heidi and him to cut out the discussions on their

website.

>

> From: Maddviking@...

> Date: 2003/05/19 Mon AM 03:48:21 EDT

>

> Subject: Re: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

>

>

[Guest guest]

If I have to listen to more of on THIS list, I will leave. I do not

want to hear her emails anymore. She is devisive and unpleasant, and I choose

to surround myself with those who are pleasant and helpful.

OKC

tenzin@... wrote:

> YOU have YOUR facts wrong. dropped the links at MY SUGGESTION. It was my

idea that I shared with Heidi and she took the proposal to . If you don't

believe that, ask Heidi, as she gave him the information after we had much

discussion about what to do with a lot of problems on the lists, including

too many rude people and men who stalked women.

> From: " Dekany " <info@...>

> Date: 2003/05/18 Sun PM 09:15:47 EDT

> < >

> Subject: RE: Two New ER Lists - Basic and Advanced Levels

>

>