Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 In einer eMail vom 15.03.2006 15:16:13 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt jackalope_lepus@...: "Society just can't accept the idea that 50 percent of the population could die. And I think we have to face that possibility," Webster said. "I'm sorry if I'm making people a little frightened, but I feel it's my role." yes, this is a remarcable statement. There had been discussion in forums at fluwikie and curevents: http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42708 & page=3 & pp=40 http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Forum.DrWebstersStatement50PercentGlobalMortality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 yes, this is frightening.But other experts differ... I tend to take the mean of their opinions.Well, maybe the top-virologists have more value,maybe as much as two other experts.But still, most others are less pessimistic, so one Webster only increases the average by a few percent. >That this expert has already stockpiled for a flu pandemic that he >expects should alarm naysayers such as Fumento. that he personally stockpiled doesn't mean much to me.He might have done it only because he knew he'd been asked about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 I read this on effect measure. Maybe Webster was not so serious with his "50% of the population could die" ?!? The letter from Webster is also in the comments, but it's insignificant. --------------------------------------- The noted flu virologist Webster appeared on ABC News recently saying that people weren't ready for an outcome where half the population might die. Having myself been on shows like that (Nova, 60 minutes, NPR, etc.) I know how this can happen. I suspect if he had it to do over again he would do it differently. He has issued a clarification letter that amounts to an indirect retraction, in that it does not mention the earlier mortality estimate, but does reiterate that the result of a pandemic, whose likelihood no one can predict, could be very serious. Preparing for it would be prudent. Despite his network misstep, nothing untoward of consequence occurred as far as I know. The sky didn't fall because he issued a scary scenario.http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_effectmeasure_archive.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 At our First Monday (of the month) department wide meeting at the MN Dept of Health today, they gave a segment on emergency preparedness, which included blizzards, chemical spills, flu pandemics, etc., and gave us a list of things to keep at home and keep in the car. One should be able to survive anywhere from a week to several months with a home survival kit, which would, of course, include non-perishable food and bottled water. For water, they recommend a gallon per person per day. Also, they said DO NOT use antibacterial soap, as it just causes bacteria to become more resistent to all antibacterials. They reiterated that as of this time, there is no human to human transmission of the avian flu virus, but that could change. They don't know that it will, but it's a possibility, and we need to be prepared. Colleen sterten@... wrote: I read this on effect measure. Maybe Webster was not so serious with his "50% of the population could die" ?!? The letter from Webster is also in the comments, but it's insignificant. --------------------------------------- The noted flu virologist Webster appeared on ABC News recently saying that people weren't ready for an outcome where half the population might die. Having myself been on shows like that (Nova, 60 minutes, NPR, etc.) I know how this can happen. I suspect if he had it to do over again he would do it differently. He has issued a clarification letter that amounts to an indirect retraction, in that it does not mention the earlier mortality estimate, but does reiterate that the result of a pandemic, whose likelihood no one can predict, could be very serious. Preparing for it would be prudent. Despite his network misstep, nothing untoward of consequence occurred as far as I know. The sky didn't fall because he issued a scary scenario.http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_effectmeasure_archive.html********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 This is not true. “They reiterated that as of this time, there is no human to human transmission of the avian flu virus, but that could change.” There have been definite admitted H2H transmissions…. From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:44 PM Flu Subject: Re: [Flu] Re: Webster on ABC At our First Monday (of the month) department wide meeting at the MN Dept of Health today, they gave a segment on emergency preparedness, which included blizzards, chemical spills, flu pandemics, etc., and gave us a list of things to keep at home and keep in the car. One should be able to survive anywhere from a week to several months with a home survival kit, which would, of course, include non-perishable food and bottled water. For water, they recommend a gallon per person per day. Also, they said DO NOT use antibacterial soap, as it just causes bacteria to become more resistent to all antibacterials. They reiterated that as of this time, there is no human to human transmission of the avian flu virus, but that could change. They don't know that it will, but it's a possibility, and we need to be prepared. Colleen sterten@... wrote: I read this on effect measure. Maybe Webster was not so serious with his " 50% of the population could die " ?!? The letter from Webster is also in the comments, but it's insignificant. --------------------------------------- The noted flu virologist Webster appeared on ABC News recently saying that people weren't ready for an outcome where half the population might die. Having myself been on shows like that (Nova, 60 minutes, NPR, etc.) I know how this can happen. I suspect if he had it to do over again he would do it differently. He has issued a clarification letter that amounts to an indirect retraction, in that it does not mention the earlier mortality estimate, but does reiterate that the result of a pandemic, whose likelihood no one can predict, could be very serious. Preparing for it would be prudent. Despite his network misstep, nothing untoward of consequence occurred as far as I know. The sky didn't fall because he issued a scary scenario. http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_effectmeasure_archive.html ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi Lynn, You are right-there are and have been cases of h2h. For the sceptics, please check the CDC website for documented cases -as far back as 2004!! Elke Lynn Aker wrote: This is not true. “They reiterated that as of this time, there is no human to human transmission of the avian flu virus, but that could change.” There have been definite admitted H2H transmissions…. From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:44 PM Flu Subject: Re: [Flu] Re: Webster on ABC At our First Monday (of the month) department wide meeting at the MN Dept of Health today, they gave a segment on emergency preparedness, which included blizzards, chemical spills, flu pandemics, etc., and gave us a list of things to keep at home and keep in the car. One should be able to survive anywhere from a week to several months with a home survival kit, which would, of course, include non-perishable food and bottled water. For water, they recommend a gallon per person per day. Also, they said DO NOT use antibacterial soap, as it just causes bacteria to become more resistent to all antibacterials. They reiterated that as of this time, there is no human to human transmission of the avian flu virus, but that could change. They don't know that it will, but it's a possibility, and we need to be prepared. Colleen sterten@... wrote: I read this on effect measure. Maybe Webster was not so serious with his "50% of the population could die" ?!? The letter from Webster is also in the comments, but it's insignificant. --------------------------------------- The noted flu virologist Webster appeared on ABC News recently saying that people weren't ready for an outcome where half the population might die. Having myself been on shows like that (Nova, 60 minutes, NPR, etc.) I know how this can happen. I suspect if he had it to do over again he would do it differently. He has issued a clarification letter that amounts to an indirect retraction, in that it does not mention the earlier mortality estimate, but does reiterate that the result of a pandemic, whose likelihood no one can predict, could be very serious. Preparing for it would be prudent. Despite his network misstep, nothing untoward of consequence occurred as far as I know. The sky didn't fall because he issued a scary scenario. http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_effectmeasure_archive.html ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 In einer eMail vom 04.04.2006 02:24:08 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt lynn@...: This is not true. “They reiterated that as of this time, there is no human to human transmission of the avian flu virus, but that could change.†There have been definite admitted H2H transmissions…. some mean always "efficient h2h" , when they talk about h2h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 --- MsTigerHawk <tigerhawksoars@...> wrote: > > Also, they said DO NOT use antibacterial soap, as > it just causes bacteria to become more resistent to > all antibacterials. Just a note on this statement. Using an antiviral hand spray gets 'em all and does not have the resistance effect. Such as this: http://www.respirators.us/index.php?page=imageviewer & title=Apple%20Antiseptic%20\ Hand%20Spray & image=images/apple_lg.jpg > > Colleen > > > sterten@... wrote: > I read this on effect measure. Maybe Webster > was not so serious with his > " 50% of the population could die " ?!? > > The letter from Webster is also in the comments, > but it's insignificant. > > --------------------------------------- > > The noted flu virologist Webster appeared > on ABC News recently saying that people weren't > ready for an outcome where half the population might > die. Having myself been on shows like that (Nova, 60 > minutes, NPR, etc.) I know how this can happen. I > suspect if he had it to do over again he would do it > differently. He has issued a clarification letter > that amounts to an indirect retraction, in that it > does not mention the earlier mortality estimate, but > does reiterate that the result of a pandemic, whose > likelihood no one can predict, could be very > serious. Preparing for it would be prudent. Despite > his network misstep, nothing untoward of consequence > occurred as far as I know. The sky didn't fall > because he issued a scary scenario. > > http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_effectmeasure_archive.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Also, antibacterial soap is actually rather harsh on the skin, no matter what kind of lotion or cream might be in it. When I did floor nursing all we had was antibacterial soap. Everyone's hands were constantly chapped. We all carried a small bottle of Intensive Care lotion in our pockets to have on hand for temporary relief. Dark Man <darkdaysarecoming@...> wrote: --- MsTigerHawk <tigerhawksoars@...> wrote:> > Also, they said DO NOT use antibacterial soap, as> it just causes bacteria to become more resistent to> all antibacterials.Just a note on this statement. Using an antiviral handspray gets 'em all and does not have the resistanceeffect.Such as this:http://www.respirators.us/index.php?page=imageviewer & title=Apple%20Antiseptic%20Hand%20Spray & image=images/apple_lg.jpg> > Colleen> > > sterten@... wrote:> I read this on effect measure. Maybe Webster> was not so serious with his> "50% of the population could die" ?!?> > The letter from Webster is also in the comments,> but it's insignificant.> > ---------------------------------------> > The noted flu virologist Webster appeared> on ABC News recently saying that people weren't> ready for an outcome where half the population might> die. Having myself been on shows like that (Nova, 60> minutes, NPR, etc.) I know how this can happen. I> suspect if he had it to do over again he would do it> differently. He has issued a clarification letter> that amounts to an indirect retraction, in that it> does not mention the earlier mortality estimate, but> does reiterate that the result of a pandemic, whose> likelihood no one can predict, could be very> serious. Preparing for it would be prudent. Despite> his network misstep, nothing untoward of consequence> occurred as far as I know. The sky didn't fall> because he issued a scary scenario.> >http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_effectmeasure_archive.html> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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