Re: How best to prepare?

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

personally, I believe the best and actually only sensible and

hopefully successful measure to take in order to increase one's

chances of surviving a Flu Pandemic, is isolation or self

quarantine. In other word, to stay away from other humans and

animals as much as possible.

Whether if one lives in a house or apartment building, in urban or

rural area, human to human transmission of the deadly Flu Virus is

the most prominent form of spreading it. If one can successfully

stay away from other humans as much as possible, one's chances of

survival increase dramatically.

One would need to stock up on supplies, like food, water, household

articles and medications for a duration of at least 6 – 12 month,

while not leaving one's house. Either work from home or the internet

and possible school one's children at home.

The ideal and best case would be to live in an isolated rural house

or farm, while living in an apartment in a big city would be the

least desirable case.

Besides the aforementioned basic supplies, back up power,

protective masks and gloves and other survival gear would also be a

great value for the duration of a Pandemic.

In fact even the US Government just issued a little guide for the

survival of a Pandemic:

http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/pdf/Individuals.pdf

Here are two more geared toward survival:

Urban Survivalists, who chose to live in a city or urban area,

topics include preperations in small confined spaces (apartments,

townhomes, etc.) crime prevention, alternative power sources, food

storage, dealing with gangs/crime and basic survival techniques

during riots, natural disasters, large scale terrorist attacks etc.

Urban_Survivalists/

Pandemic Flu Survival, is my own group that just started out. While

it has only a few members yet, it already has an very extensive Link

and File section with much information geared toward the survival of

a Pandemic Flu. I hope Lee forgives me my little self promotion here.

PandemicFlu

I hope that helped…

Blessings,

Mister E.

>

> I do not wish to be alarmist. I believe that fear seldom helps in

> matters like these. But if we do believe that we are close to a

> global crisis then I think this question is a reasonable one:

>

> How should people prepare for this potential crisis? Should we

> stockpile food? Water? Arm ourselves? What should the average

> person do to prepare?

> Thanks.

> Pete

>

[Guest guest]

Mr. E. My question is this...how can people--ordinary, working

people--afford such a resolution? Even if most could stockpile a

couple of months of food and water...someone has to pay for it all.

People have to work. There is no way that the whole workforce can shut

down and most of us would not be able to pull through.

The government isn't going to help--in fact, I'd bet money they are

hoping for such an event in order to gain more control over

us...though, they are not resistent to this strain (at least, I don't

feel they will be).

What we have to do here, is band together, and help where we can. We

can't let everyone we know surcome to this.

There will be many out there, me included, who will be helping those

who fall victim to this new pandemic--I take with me a remedy and

whatever courage I can foster. I hope that there are many who will do

the same.

>I believe the best and actually only sensible and

> hopefully successful measure to take in order to increase one's

> chances of surviving a Flu Pandemic, is isolation or self

> quarantine. In other word, to stay away from other humans and

> animals as much as possible.

>

> Whether if one lives in a house or apartment building, in urban or

> rural area, human to human transmission of the deadly Flu Virus is

> the most prominent form of spreading it. If one can successfully

> stay away from other humans as much as possible, one's chances of

> survival increase dramatically.

>

> One would need to stock up on supplies, like food, water, household

> articles and medications for a duration of at least 6 – 12 month,

> while not leaving one's house. Either work from home or the internet

> and possible school one's children at home.

>

> The ideal and best case would be to live in an isolated rural house

> or farm, while living in an apartment in a big city would be the

> least desirable case.

>

> Besides the aforementioned basic supplies, back up power,

> protective masks and gloves and other survival gear would also be a

> great value for the duration of a Pandemic.

[Guest guest]

It isn't too expensive (well for me anyway) to stock-up on food, and

hopefully, getting an alternative water source; even if it's just in

bottles. If you haven't started doing so, I urge you to start

straight away, but the general opinion now is that despite the

increase of cases of avian-human Flu' in Turkey, we are probably

safe 'til next season. The canned food you stock-up with should have

a long 'use by' date: most of mine is 2008 or 2010.

About the whole workforce shutting down: here, the HSBC

bank and other large organisations have warned that should a

pandemic strike, they would have approximately one third of the

workforce off sick. I think that a wild underestimate; and in any

event, both the British and American governments have contingency

plans to actually enforce isolation on it's citizens, so nobody

would be able to work, excepting essential workers. I wrote of

these contingency plans some time ago (for the UK) These plans

include the shutting-down of supermarkets and shops; shutting-down

public transport (including, one assumes, Airports) Closing schools

and colleges, closing theatres and cinemas and abandoning large

public events like football matches, and of course, events in

concert halls. Isolation of citizens, with a stay at home policy and

making it an offence to venture out during the duration of the

pandemic. Sites for temporary morgues and burial sites have already

been identified.

Although these contingency plans were kept secret for some time

they " escaped " into the public domain and the result was that the

government would neither confirm nor deny the existence of them.

It would be far, far better not to question how one could survive a

pandemic, but the measures I previously outlined (stocking upon

canned food; having a self-powered crank radio, and maybe an

alternative water and electricity supply with your own generator or

power inverter,) would seem to be the best that anybody could do

under the circumstances)otherwise one might be easily become one of

the casualties of the bug.

I was further interested in the post about Lyme disease; here it is

caught from Deer ticks and has been around for years, but more

noticeable (more people get it) when the weather is dry and humid. I

have no idea whether it is a " bio-weapon " But hikers and country

workers are always advised to " cover-up " with long trousers or jeans

preferably with them tucked into socks; they should

never have bare arms when walking in areas where Deer frequent

often. It has often been mistaken for M.E., and vice-versa.

I live in a rural area in SW England, walk all the time and have

never felt threatened by this disease.

Mike.

>

> Mr. E. My question is this...how can people--ordinary, working

> people--afford such a resolution? Even if most could stockpile a

> couple of months of food and water...someone has to pay for it all.

> People have to work. There is no way that the whole workforce can

shut

> down and most of us would not be able to pull through.

>

> The government isn't going to help--in fact, I'd bet money they are

> hoping for such an event in order to gain more control over

> us...though, they are not resistent to this strain (at least, I

don't

> feel they will be).

>

> What we have to do here, is band together, and help where we can.

We

> can't let everyone we know surcome to this.

>

> There will be many out there, me included, who will be helping

those

> who fall victim to this new pandemic--I take with me a remedy and

> whatever courage I can foster. I hope that there are many who will

do

> the same.

>

> >I believe the best and actually only sensible and

> > hopefully successful measure to take in order to increase one's

> > chances of surviving a Flu Pandemic, is isolation or self

> > quarantine. In other word, to stay away from other humans and

> > animals as much as possible.

> >

> > Whether if one lives in a house or apartment building, in urban

or

> > rural area, human to human transmission of the deadly Flu Virus

is

> > the most prominent form of spreading it. If one can

successfully

> > stay away from other humans as much as possible, one's chances

of

> > survival increase dramatically.

> >

> > One would need to stock up on supplies, like food, water,

household

> > articles and medications for a duration of at least 6 – 12

month,

> > while not leaving one's house. Either work from home or the

internet

> > and possible school one's children at home.

> >

> > The ideal and best case would be to live in an isolated rural

house

> > or farm, while living in an apartment in a big city would be the

> > least desirable case.

> >

> > Besides the aforementioned basic supplies, back up power,

> > protective masks and gloves and other survival gear would also

be a

> > great value for the duration of a Pandemic.

>

[Guest guest]

I think people sometimes feel they have to rush out an stock up on everything all at once. My partner and I have laid in a supply of food and water, but we did it over a period of several weeks so there wouldn't be this enormous cash outlay all at once. When you go to the market pick up two or three things to add to your stash, as well as a few gallons of water. We live in San Francisco, earthquake country, so having a stash of food and water could be very useful anyway, even if the avian flu never strikes in this country. Mike <mikesey_97@...> wrote: It isn't too expensive (well for me anyway) to stock-up on food, and hopefully, getting an alternative water source; even if it's just in bottles. If you haven't started doing so, I urge you to start straight away, but the general opinion

now is that despite the increase of cases of avian-human Flu' in Turkey, we are probably safe 'til next season. The canned food you stock-up with should have a long 'use by' date: most of mine is 2008 or 2010.About the whole workforce shutting down: here, the HSBC bank and other large organisations have warned that should a pandemic strike, they would have approximately one third of the workforce off sick. I think that a wild underestimate; and in any event, both the British and American governments have contingency plans to actually enforce isolation on it's citizens, so nobody would be able to work, excepting essential workers. I wrote of these contingency plans some time ago (for the UK) These plans include the shutting-down of supermarkets and shops; shutting-down public transport (including, one assumes, Airports) Closing schools and colleges, closing theatres and cinemas and abandoning large public events

like football matches, and of course, events in concert halls. Isolation of citizens, with a stay at home policy and making it an offence to venture out during the duration of the pandemic. Sites for temporary morgues and burial sites have already been identified.Although these contingency plans were kept secret for some time they "escaped" into the public domain and the result was that the government would neither confirm nor deny the existence of them. It would be far, far better not to question how one could survive a pandemic, but the measures I previously outlined (stocking upon canned food; having a self-powered crank radio, and maybe an alternative water and electricity supply with your own generator or power inverter,) would seem to be the best that anybody could do under the circumstances)otherwise one might be easily become one of the casualties of the bug.I was further interested in the post about

Lyme disease; here it is caught from Deer ticks and has been around for years, but more noticeable (more people get it) when the weather is dry and humid. I have no idea whether it is a "bio-weapon" But hikers and country workers are always advised to "cover-up" with long trousers or jeans preferably with them tucked into socks; they should never have bare arms when walking in areas where Deer frequent often. It has often been mistaken for M.E., and vice-versa.I live in a rural area in SW England, walk all the time and have never felt threatened by this disease.Mike.>> Mr. E. My question is this...how can people--ordinary, working> people--afford such a resolution? Even if most could stockpile a> couple of months of food and water...someone has to pay for it all.> People have to work. There is no

way that the whole workforce can shut> down and most of us would not be able to pull through.> > The government isn't going to help--in fact, I'd bet money they are> hoping for such an event in order to gain more control over> us...though, they are not resistent to this strain (at least, I don't> feel they will be).> > What we have to do here, is band together, and help where we can. We> can't let everyone we know surcome to this. > > There will be many out there, me included, who will be helping those> who fall victim to this new pandemic--I take with me a remedy and> whatever courage I can foster. I hope that there are many who will do> the same.> > >I believe the best and actually only sensible and > > hopefully successful measure to take in order to increase one's > > chances of surviving a Flu Pandemic, is isolation or self

> > quarantine. In other word, to stay away from other humans and > > animals as much as possible.> > > > Whether if one lives in a house or apartment building, in urban or > > rural area, human to human transmission of the deadly Flu Virus is > > the most prominent form of spreading it. If one can successfully > > stay away from other humans as much as possible, one's chances of > > survival increase dramatically.> > > > One would need to stock up on supplies, like food, water, household > > articles and medications for a duration of at least 6 – 12 month, > > while not leaving one's house. Either work from home or the internet > > and possible school one's children at home.> > > > The ideal and best case would be to live in an isolated rural house > > or farm, while living in an

apartment in a big city would be the > > least desirable case. > > > > Besides the aforementioned basic supplies, back up power, > > protective masks and gloves and other survival gear would also be a > > great value for the duration of a Pandemic.> . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke

Ellington

[Guest guest]

, what you are doing is good. I'd also like to suggest (at the

risk of this being mentioned before) that some of the things we should

consider stocking up on are nutrition bars. If times get difficult,

even a couple of these a day would help to sustain life. Most

important though is water. I've read that a person can exist for a

month or longer without food, but without water, they can die with a

couple of days.

Some other food to consider stalking are those that are high in

proteins, like beans. Of course, rice is quite inexpensive, and many

Asians have sustained life on just that during hard times.

I'm studying herbs at the present time, and there are really a lot of

good ones that you may even have in your kitchen that are great

anti-virals and such. I encourage people to start looking at

alternative medicines and stocking up on some of these too.

A great one to have, and can be found at any healthfood store is

rosehips. This has the highest concentration of vitamin c that you can

find, and it's very inexpensive.

Ginger root is another one. These can be found in most grocery stores,

and if you have a food dehydrater, can very easily be kept for years

once dehydrated.

[Guest guest]

Many Native Americans make a tea out of cedar (the green 'leafy' parts') that is used to treat upper respitory infections and coughs or colds that are hanging on...you can pick the 'good' parts and store them in the freezer till needed to make tea. To make tea you cook in a large kettle (preferably not alluminum and put in a lot and then cover with water...bring to a boil and simmer for about 15 minutes. Cool the tea down and you can store it in jars in the fridge for a few weeks (use glass)...My daughter who is really picky drinks hers with a little honey although 'traditionally' you should drink it without. Drink 8 ounces a few times a day (up to three) and on a somewhat empty stomache (2 to 3 hours after eating) and then don't eat for an hour. If the tea is to strong it can be watered down a bit to make it more palatable. The taste dosen't really bother me that much. Also this is high in vitamin C.

kay

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Subject: [Flu] Re: How best to prepare?

, what you are doing is good. I'd also like to suggest (at therisk of this being mentioned before) that some of the things we shouldconsider stocking up on are nutrition bars. If times get difficult,even a couple of these a day would help to sustain life. Mostimportant though is water. I've read that a person can exist for amonth or longer without food, but without water, they can die with acouple of days.Some other food to consider stalking are those that are high inproteins, like beans. Of course, rice is quite inexpensive, and manyAsians have sustained life on just that during hard times. I'm studying herbs at the present time, and there are really a lot ofgood ones that you may even have in your kitchen that are greatanti-virals and such. I encourage people to start looking atalternative medicines and stocking up on some of these too.A great one to have, and can be found at any healthfood store isrosehips. This has the highest concentration of vitamin c that you canfind, and it's very inexpensive.Ginger root is another one. These can be found in most grocery stores,and if you have a food dehydrater, can very easily be kept for yearsonce dehydrated.

[Guest guest]

Kay, thanks for this one. My daughter got me a great book for x-mas

called " Mother Nature's Herbal. " It covers everything from Native

American and colonial remedies to those used in China and Tibet and

other countries for several centuries. It really is interesting how

simple it is to cure ailments. We have gotten so used to the quik fix

afforded by druggists.

Here's another one for you. Horseraddish is great for chronic sore

throat! I also posted a great flu remedy a couple of days ago. I

encourage all to make some up.

>

> Many Native Americans make a tea out of cedar (the green 'leafy'

parts') that is used to treat upper respitory infections and coughs or

colds that are hanging on...you can pick the 'good' parts and store

them in the freezer till needed to make tea. To make tea you cook in

a large kettle (preferably not alluminum and put in a lot and then

cover with water...bring to a boil and simmer for about 15 minutes.

Cool the tea down and you can store it in jars in the fridge for a

few weeks (use glass)...My daughter who is really picky drinks hers

with a little honey although 'traditionally' you should drink it

without. Drink 8 ounces a few times a day (up to three) and on a

somewhat empty stomache (2 to 3 hours after eating) and then don't eat

for an hour. If the tea is to strong it can be watered down a bit to

make it more palatable. The taste dosen't really bother me that much.

Also this is high in vitamin C.

> kay

[Guest guest]

When I think of dehydration I also think of kidney failure which can indeed lead to death; so it's important to keep well hydrated whether or not emergency conditions prevail. The nutrition bars are an excellent suggestion. Also, there are cereal bars available in just about every market. Dried fruits are good too. <brambleicedancer2004@...> wrote: , what you are doing is good. I'd also like to suggest (at therisk of this being mentioned before) that some of the things we shouldconsider stocking up on are nutrition bars. If times get difficult,even a couple of these a day would help to sustain life. Mostimportant though is water. I've read that a person can exist for amonth or longer without food, but without water, they can die with acouple of days.Some other food

to consider stalking are those that are high inproteins, like beans. Of course, rice is quite inexpensive, and manyAsians have sustained life on just that during hard times. I'm studying herbs at the present time, and there are really a lot ofgood ones that you may even have in your kitchen that are greatanti-virals and such. I encourage people to start looking atalternative medicines and stocking up on some of these too.A great one to have, and can be found at any healthfood store isrosehips. This has the highest concentration of vitamin c that you canfind, and it's very inexpensive.Ginger root is another one. These can be found in most grocery stores,and if you have a food dehydrater, can very easily be kept for yearsonce dehydrated. . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington

[Guest guest]

>

> Some other food to consider stalking are those that are high in

> proteins, like beans. Of course, rice is quite inexpensive, and many

> Asians have sustained life on just that during hard times.

50 lb bags of rice are available at Costco for around $10. Buying a

number of those is cheap insurance.

Kathy