Of interest to Michigan residents past and present

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I distinctly remember when the fish started dying and the beaches were

littered with dead stuff. I remember the pump house that pumped lake water

to the house! My grandmother drank herself to death, my mother and Uncle

went crazy, my other uncle stuttered so bad.

Gracia

> Didn't Gracia say she lived on a dairy farm by Lake Erie when she was

> growing up?. That could be Michigan or a nearby state in the chain of

> distribution.

>

> Thanks , I didn't even know we were the leading autoimmune state and I

> still live here.

>

>

> Skipper

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Wow, I thought everyone in Michigan would know about this. I am sorry to be the

one to tell you.

I read about it occasionally in the paper and I have been to a few lectures over

the years here in

Los Angeles (I moved here 22 years ago) about environmental toxins and the PBB

contamination in

Michigan is talked about right up there with Three mile island. It was a

disaster of epic

proportions and continues to be. I was a teenager when I heard about it; it had

happened years

before, I knew it was too late and that I was already contaminated but I quit

red meat anyway. I

never even missed it.

" Due to their fat solubility and chemical stability, PBBs have a long half-life

(years) and can

bioaccumulate and biomagnify as they move up the food chain. "

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDCH_Draft_Biomonitoring_Rpt_69164_7.pdf#searc\

h=%22pbb%20chelation%20michigan%22

I have never been tested since there seems to be nothing that can be done. The

test involves a

fat biopsy. Maybe I will find a doctor to test me...as you know I like my

tests. Believe me I

have done a lot of research about trying to rid myself of this chemical because

of the fear of

cancer, which seemed like a sure thing back then and I was not far from the

epicenter. You will

find only this study that claims to reduce or eliminate this particular toxin

stored in body fat.

http://www.detoxacademy.org/pdfs/ambio.pdf

A thirty second search on google can find a material discrediting the study for

obvious reasons.

I did do a 52 day sauna detox a while back with PBB and this study in my mind,

however. I think

Blockbuster has Ron s movie " Bitter Harvest " . If you find any other

treatments, let me

know.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

> > I am not vegan but

> >I haven't eaten red meat since the PBB contamination of beef in Michigan 20

> >some years ago; where

> >I grew up. Michigan now leads the nation in auto-immune diseases.

>

> I told you . Minerals deficiency isn't the only cause of problems.

> There's the toxins, and you led me to a lot of information I didn't really

> want to know about.

>

> We didn't stop eating the meat or drinking the milk for that matter. Had

> we, it still would have been contaminated for at least a year before they

> figured it out. (Maybe now I'll see if I can find that Ron movie

> where he plays an affected Michigan dairy farmer.) Regardless, not eating

> red meat didn't accomplish much for you as it wasn't the only meat affected.

> So, just like Mad Cow disease, the PBB was probably spread by putting

> animal products into the feed of grazing animals -

>

> http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1774247

> " As investigations into the disaster continued, it became clear that beef

> and milk were not the only products affected. Feed for other animals was

> contaminated when it was mixed on the same machinery; carcasses of cattle

> not fit for sale were rendered to yield protein supplements in other animal

> feed. In addition to the cattle and milk, 5,920 pigs, 1.5 million chickens,

> and nearly 5 million eggs were destroyed. "

>

> Ever been tested for PBB ?

>

> Not only that, the levels of PBB didn't decline, they stayed in tissues -

>

> http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1774247

> " Testing in the late 1970s showed that about 97% of Michigan residents had

> measurable levels of PBB contamination; further, testing over time revealed

> that these levels did not decline: the chemical accumulated in the body and

> remained in adipose tissue. Testing further indicated that most breast milk

> was contaminated as well, which meant that even those of us who weren't born

> at the time of the disaster likely have been exposed. Many farms remained

> contaminated — buildings and soil still retain testable levels of PBB in

> some areas, and the disposal sites are still heavily contaminated. "

>

> Some of the problems it caused -

>

> http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1774247

> " Very little was known for certain until well after the end of the crisis;

> PBB was eventually linked to joint pain, neurological problems, reduced

> liver function, and altered immune systems. More recent research shows that

> daughters born to women with high levels of PBB contamination begin

> menstruating earlier. While fears of an eventual dramatic increase in cancer

> rates never materialized, those with the highest levels of PBB were shown in

> 1998 to have significantly higher rates of lymphoma and cancers of the

> digestive tract. It remains to be seen if more long term epidemiological

> research will indicate other problems. "

>

> Hmmm. Isn't that interesting. Ever been tested for PBB? Never heard it

> suggested by any doctor, and I live in Michigan. I wonder if Dr. Brownstein

> who practices in Michigan tests patients for this.

>

> PBB causes thyroid dysfunction, what a surprise -

>

> http://www.tuberose.com/Environmental_Toxicity.html

> " In Michigan, PBB-exposed persons showed non-goitrogenic thyroid

> dysfunction. "

>

> Bromine is in its middle name, and it may mimick thyroid hormone somehow -

>

> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1996/104-12/correspondence.html

> " the observation of thyroid abnormalities in animals exposed to PBBs and PBB

> oxides supports the hypothesis that exposure to PBBs or other brominated

> compounds is causally related to the hypothyroidism in these men. Perhaps

> the thyroid deficiencies observed in Great Lakes salmon and herring gulls

> are a result of the large-scale contamination of the Michigan environment

> with PBBs in the early 1970s. Furthermore, dairy cattle were thought to be

> suffering from an ailment similar to iodine toxicity early in the PBB

> contamination episode (3). Perhaps the halogenated chemicals have similar

> actions. It has been suggested that the thyroid hormone deficiency may

> result from the similarity in structure of thyroid hormone and the biphenyl

> compounds; thus, the production of thyroid hormone is blocked because the

> biphenyls somehow mimic the hormone.

>

> If these hypothetical relationships are the case, it would be prudent to

> follow children born in Michigan after the PBB release to determine whether

> thyroid abnormalities have been a problem. In addition, variations in growth

> or maturation of these children should be examined if there is a way to

> reconstruct past growth patterns at this late date. (These children are now

> in their early twenties.) "

>

>

> It also causes adrenal problems. Isn't that a surprise -

>

> http://tinyurl.com/k8oq9

> " In conclusion, PCB and PBB intoxication exerted profound reductions in

> circulating adrenal cortex hormones, as well as reductions in adrenal

> weights, suggesting toxicity to the adrenal. Rather than responding to the

> ldquostressrdquo of PCB or PBB by increasing the release of glucocorticoids,

> the opposite seems to have occurred. Data suggests that damage to the

> adrenal cortex may have occurred in such a manner as to decrease the serum

> levels of Corticosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone, and dehydroepiandrosterone

> sulfate. "

>

> Didn't Gracia say she lived on a dairy farm by Lake Erie when she was

> growing up?. That could be Michigan or a nearby state in the chain of

> distribution.

>

> Thanks , I didn't even know we were the leading autoimmune state and I

> still live here.

>

>

> Skipper

>

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[Guest guest]

Linsey McLean, a biochemist that used to live in Michigan, and talks about

the contaminants in Michigan and the health problems she is seeing in humans

and animals. Her website is www.vitaroyal.com. She has since movedto South

Dakota, becuase her health was so bad in Michigan.

She first began researching this in the 70's, when she first graduated

college and began working as a biochemist, and chemicals that they were

using were being dumped into the municipal water system, although they had

to wear protective gear to handle it. This was her " aha " moment, and she

quit that job and began research environmental contamination. She has a

detox protocol for humans and animals.

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> Wow, I thought everyone in Michigan would know about this. I am sorry to

be the one to tell you.

> I read about it occasionally in the paper and I have been to a few

lectures over the years here in

> Los Angeles (I moved here 22 years ago) about environmental toxins and the

PBB contamination in

[Guest guest]

>From: <kennio@...>

>Wow, I thought everyone in Michigan would know about this. I am sorry to

>be the one to tell you.

I did know about it. I remember. I didn't know that 97% of us tested

positive for it, and that the levels didn't go down. It's not something we

think about much, it's not like it's a common topic of conversation here.

Doctors aren't likely to mention it.

Are you telling me where you are, they talk about it like 3 Mile Island?

Maybe they talk about it more away from here then.

Of course, other areas typically have their own problems. Toxins are by no

means unique to Michigan.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I grew up near Love Canal. No one is doing any tracking of people

from my neighborhood but I have to wonder.

Sharon

> Of course, other areas typically have their own problems. Toxins

are by no

> means unique to Michigan.

[Guest guest]

really? you grew up near me, I was just outside of Buffalo in Derby. How old are you?

Gracia

Yes, I grew up near Love Canal. No one is doing any tracking of people from my neighborhood but I have to wonder. Sharon> Of course, other areas typically have their own problems. Toxins are by no > means unique to Michigan.

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[Guest guest]

,Have you used Linsey's products before?  You posted her site before and I had browsed through and was interested.  One question I had was that she recommends organic canola oil and this is another area where I find conflicting info, most everything I find says not to use canola.  Any advice would be appreciated.LinnOn Sep 20, 2006, at 7:24 AM, Ives wrote:www.vitaroyal.com

[Guest guest]

Very small world!

Yes, were were neighbors -

I was in the Lasalle area of Niagara Falls

> (near Love Canal), then N. Tonawanda.

> 40

> How old are you?

> ; )

> Sharon

>

> > really? you grew up near me, I was just outside of Buffalo in

> Derby. How old are you?

> > Gracia

>

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>From: Linn <linnmiller@...>

>I've read all that, that's why I questioned it. Could be organic rapeseed

>that's not modified maybe??? I'll send an email and ask about it.

Sometimes it amazes me what they think we should eat. Anyways, is this is

correct your children are getting it if they eat most peanut butter -

http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm

In addition, a recent report from the EPA (1998) states that they have

classified canola oil as a biopesticide which ... " has low chronic

toxicities " . Further, they say that no studies have been done regarding

toxic effects on Humans. The fact that they state that it is a pesticide and

that there have been no studies, plus the fact it is a GM food, says to us

it is something to stay away from! It is like so many other things " they "

say are good for us like fluoride, canola oil and fluoride both accumulate

and build up in the Human systems.

Back in the 1980's, rape oil was widely used in animal feeds in England and

throughout Europe. It was banned in 1991. Since then, Scrapie in sheep has

totally disappeared.

Canola oil was first developed in Canada. It's proponents claim that due to

genetic engineering and irradiation, it is no longer rape oil, but " canola "

(Canadian oil).

Because canola oil is so cheap, it is now widely used in the food industry.

If you are curious, just read a few food labels the next time you are in the

grocery store. A good example can be found with commercially prepared peanut

butter. In order to give peanut butter it's spreadability, Jiffy, Pan

and Skippy brands remove ALL of the natural peanut oil and replace it with

canola oil. Natural peanut butter should only have peanuts and salt listed

in the ingredients.

************

We use corn oil, but wish most corn wasn't genetically modifed. We also use

coconut and olive oil. Soy Oil, and Rapeseed Oil aren't really fit for

human consumption, in my opinion. I'm sure they called it " vegetable oil "

when they started because they didn't want to mention which vegetable it was

made from. And Canola sounds much better than Rape Oil.

Skipper

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[Guest guest]

I am reading this interesting thread and I live in N.C.

I just found out I am allergic to soy..I didn't realize how many things now have soy until I started looking.

I use olive oil and butter but everything that comes out of the stores prepared now has soy protein or soy oil..when did they start this? A few years ago it was corn oil in everything.

in N.C.

Of interest to Michigan residents past and present- change the Posted by: "" kennio@... Kennio Date: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:21 pm (PDT)I am sure a lot of people are not reading this interesting thread because they don't live inMichigan.

[Guest guest]

My area - where I grew up was filled with Cows. Lots of farm land. I wonder what I was exposed to. *sigh* I was 7 in 1973.

B.

Names for PBB -polybrominated biphenylsbrominated biphenyls>Interesting - where in MI do you live? I am in the grand rapids area.Battle CreekSkipperMessages in this topic (134) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

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