Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Did my first flush, did not get diarrhea until after lunch next day. Then around 30 stones came through. Epsom salts were a little hard to get down, oil mixture was fine. Feel ok now and will see how things progress, I have been struggling to get rid of candida for a a yr and a half now. Tried everything literally apart from this. Fingers crossed. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Phil, sounds like you are on the right track. Nourishing your liver and fixing it could be greatly helped by Milk Thistle seed (I get it whole in bulk, grind what I need a little at a time, and I know it's fresh that way). There's lots of other things that help your liver like like daily Hotwater and fresh squeezed lemon in the morning, olive oil, lecithin, beets, and Kombucha tea. Nourishing your bowel will help too with things Turmeric, Fennel seed (it grows like a weed and I grow my own), psylium husks, and flax seed (I buy it whole in bulk and grind what I need when I need it). I found that I was very deficient in magnesium in spite of doing a lot of things to enhance my health. I took supplements for a while and that instantly helped with constipation. Now, when all else fails for constipation, I take a squirt of cold pressed flax seed oil. Problem solved gently and naturally. My theory is that no matter what all I'm doing to help my health, I've got to have proper elimination or all else will be hindered. One of the biggest bang for the buck I've gotten in addressing my health challenges is getting rid of my mercury amalgam fillings in my teeth. I don't know if you have any of those or not. They leach mercury, the liver can't handle the daily accumulation, and toxic poisonous mercury gets stored all over the body including the bowel. There it KEEPS ON killing the good bacteria no matter what we do to repopulate the bowel with good bacteria. anyone not able to control a candidas over growth should consider this. A lot of health problems stem from mercury from fillings, and without removing the poison in the teeth, success at regaining good health is prevented. You are in the right place. I've learned a lot here, and I'm not nearly done learning yet... Best Regards, Vince --- In gallstones , " philallen876546 " <phiallen@c...> wrote: > > Hi Dave > > On the practition side of things I have given up. I have been to > specialists and all sorts. They have all said yeah no problem we can > get rid of that in 3 months tops. Been put on herbs, primal defence, > probiotics you name it. I actually got worse from their advice mainly > from what I believe they all recomended me to eat. " Lots of whole > foods, don't worry about how much just eat several times a day to keep > weight up " . Looking back at the diets I was eating no good fats, a > largely vegetarion/macrobiotic diet and no much protein. As soon as I > started the herbal tratement I was losing 1 pound every 1-2 weeks. Any > way I gave up, read dozens of books. Now I eat many fermented foods, > e.g Kefir and sauerkraut, probiotics. practically no carbohydrate, good > fats and protein. Put on weight after that felt great but could not > digest fat properly or clear signs of liver congestion (I would put a > little oil on my veg and get constipated???). So ended up here, hoping > the flushes will help with those last issues and a little candida left. > > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hi Phil, I cannot attempt this long distance. The subsequent communication cannot be misconstrued as diagnoses and treatment for this above reason. Having said that may I point out some things that might be helpful for a fungal/yeast overgrowth. A question to ask yourself first: How do you know it is candida? This is still the condition dujour with some health practitioners. Many times it isn't really the problem. Did you have a stool test? Some other method of scientific or professional diagnosis? If it is truly candida, there are some herbs and supplements that may be helpful. A combination of celandine leaf (European), White oak bark (euro and American), and Amur cork tree bark (chinese), may be helpful. Caprylic acid or other members of the same fatty acid group is the biggest gun but probably will not do it all on it's own. These fatty acids (extracted from coconut oil) tend to be harsh on the digestive tract so are usually used in small quantity short term. When all else fails, there is an obscure herb from New Zealand called psuedowinteria colorata, only available through one company, the product is called Kolorex. If you have more specific questions, you can e-mail me off the group. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: philallen876546<mailto:phiallen@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: 1st Flush Hi Dave On the practition side of things I have given up. I have been to specialists and all sorts. They have all said yeah no problem we can get rid of that in 3 months tops. Been put on herbs, primal defence, probiotics you name it. I actually got worse from their advice mainly from what I believe they all recomended me to eat. " Lots of whole foods, don't worry about how much just eat several times a day to keep weight up " . Looking back at the diets I was eating no good fats, a largely vegetarion/macrobiotic diet and no much protein. As soon as I started the herbal tratement I was losing 1 pound every 1-2 weeks. Any way I gave up, read dozens of books. Now I eat many fermented foods, e.g Kefir and sauerkraut, probiotics. practically no carbohydrate, good fats and protein. Put on weight after that felt great but could not digest fat properly or clear signs of liver congestion (I would put a little oil on my veg and get constipated???). So ended up here, hoping the flushes will help with those last issues and a little candida left. Phil Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50asp?f=4> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=8\ 0> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=\ 100> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=\ 112> Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/<http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/> Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73<http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73> Images: http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/<http://curezone.com/image_galle\ ry/cleanse_flush/> http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/<http://curezone.com/image\ _gallery/intrahepatic_stones/> To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: gallstones-unsubscribe <mailto:gallstones-unsubscribe@groups\ ..com> and then reply to confirmation message! To Post message: gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe <mailto:gallstones-subscribe \ > Web Sites for more information: http://CureZone.org<http://curezone.org/> http://www.liverdoctor.com/<http://www.liverdoctor.com/> http://www.sensiblehealth.com/<http://www.sensiblehealth.com/> http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm<http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.ht\ m> http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html<http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cle\ anse.html> http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/<http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/> Group page: gallstones<gallstone\ s> To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: gallstones-digest <mailto:gallstones-digest > To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-nomail <mailto:gallstones-nomail > To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-normal <mailto:gallstones-normal > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 If I have a garbage can that had a rotten t bone steak in it that I threw away the night before, and that rotten T bone steak was infested with fungus and bacteria growth . To solve the problem I would not throw antibotics in the garbage with the steak and contunue to throw more food to feed the bacteria and fungus growth. The fastest way to deal with the bacteria growth and fungus infestation is to first remove what brought the bacteria and fungus in the first place and that was the rotten T bone steak. The same principle works with your body as well when dealing with fungus and bacteria overgrowth , that is remove the garbage that bacteria and fungus feed on (detoxification) then deal with the fungus and bacteria problem. metals in the body cause fungus and bacterial overgrowth (dental metals) drugs with metal in them drugs that are acidic causing high acidic diet cause bacteria overgrowth artificual sweetners , sugar are acidic large high protein meat diets are acidic fresh squeezed lemon in herbal tea is a great cleaner and ph increaser fresh squeezed orange juice is a ph increaser and cleanser for the body intestinal detoxification programs when done naturaly (vegan organic ) work well without destroying good bacteria so detoxification is the number 1 way to deal with bacteria and fungus over growth yet doctors seem to use antibotics without first taking out the garbage. Which does not keep the garbage can from smelling up the whole house. Dave Shelden wrote: > Hi Phil, > > I cannot attempt this long distance. The subsequent > communication cannot be misconstrued as diagnoses and treatment for > this above reason. Having said that may I point out some things that > might be helpful for a fungal/yeast overgrowth. > > A question to ask yourself first: How do you know it is > candida? This is still the condition dujour with some health > practitioners. Many times it isn't really the problem. Did you have > a stool test? Some other method of scientific or professional diagnosis? > > If it is truly candida, there are some herbs and supplements that > may be helpful. A combination of celandine leaf (European), White oak > bark (euro and American), and Amur cork tree bark (chinese), may be > helpful. Caprylic acid or other members of the same fatty acid group > is the biggest gun but probably will not do it all on it's own. These > fatty acids (extracted from coconut oil) tend to be harsh on the > digestive tract so are usually used in small quantity short term. > When all else fails, there is an obscure herb from New Zealand called > psuedowinteria colorata, only available through one company, the > product is called Kolorex. If you have more specific questions, you > can e-mail me off the group. Always, in all ways, -Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: philallen876546<mailto:phiallen@...> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: 1st Flush > > > Hi Dave > > On the practition side of things I have given up. I have been to > specialists and all sorts. They have all said yeah no problem we can > get rid of that in 3 months tops. Been put on herbs, primal defence, > probiotics you name it. I actually got worse from their advice mainly > from what I believe they all recomended me to eat. " Lots of whole > foods, don't worry about how much just eat several times a day to keep > weight up " . Looking back at the diets I was eating no good fats, a > largely vegetarion/macrobiotic diet and no much protein. As soon as I > started the herbal tratement I was losing 1 pound every 1-2 weeks. Any > way I gave up, read dozens of books. Now I eat many fermented foods, > e.g Kefir and sauerkraut, probiotics. practically no carbohydrate, good > fats and protein. Put on weight after that felt great but could not > digest fat properly or clear signs of liver congestion (I would put a > little oil on my veg and get constipated???). So ended up here, hoping > the flushes will help with those last issues and a little candida left. > > Phil > > > > > > > > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50asp?f=4> > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=8\ 0> > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=\ 100> > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112<http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=\ 112> > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: > http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/<http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/> > > Liver Flush FAQ: > http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73<http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73> > > Images: > > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/<http://curezone.com/image_galle\ ry/cleanse_flush/> > > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/<http://curezone.com/image\ _gallery/intrahepatic_stones/> > > To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-unsubscribe <mailto:gallstones-unsubscribe@groups\ ..com> > and then reply to confirmation message! > > To Post message: > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Subscribe: > gallstones-subscribe <mailto:gallstones-subscribe \ > > > > Web Sites for more information: > http://CureZone.org<http://curezone.org/> > http://www.liverdoctor.com/<http://www.liverdoctor.com/> > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/<http://www.sensiblehealth.com/> > > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm<http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.ht\ m> > > http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html<http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cle\ anse.html> > http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/<http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/> > > Group page: > gallstones<gallstone\ s> > > > To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-digest <mailto:gallstones-digest > > To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-nomail <mailto:gallstones-nomail > > To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-normal <mailto:gallstones-normal > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > Gallstones group on 's groups. 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Vince Thanks for the feedback, I have also had my fillings removed. I still eat fish quite a bit each week though, no tuna though just things like cod, wild salmon, sardines. Do you know if those may still contribute too much mercury? I also have not chelated at all and wonder if that would help? I do believe from a hair mineral analysis I am low in magnesium but when trying supplements they seem to flare my candida. From what I have read without calcium as a combination magnesium can kill off good bacteria. I would be interested if you have heard of this and what supplements & quantity you used. Thanks Phil > > > > Hi Dave > > > > On the practition side of things I have given up. I have been to > > specialists and all sorts. They have all said yeah no problem we can > > get rid of that in 3 months tops. Been put on herbs, primal defence, > > probiotics you name it. I actually got worse from their advice mainly > > from what I believe they all recomended me to eat. " Lots of whole > > foods, don't worry about how much just eat several times a day to keep > > weight up " . Looking back at the diets I was eating no good fats, a > > largely vegetarion/macrobiotic diet and no much protein. As soon as I > > started the herbal tratement I was losing 1 pound every 1-2 weeks. Any > > way I gave up, read dozens of books. Now I eat many fermented foods, > > e.g Kefir and sauerkraut, probiotics. practically no carbohydrate, good > > fats and protein. Put on weight after that felt great but could not > > digest fat properly or clear signs of liver congestion (I would put a > > little oil on my veg and get constipated???). So ended up here, hoping > > the flushes will help with those last issues and a little candida left. > > > > Phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 have you tried Vita Biosa? It seems to of worked for me, fingers crossed. I had 2-3 weeks of detox symptoms, headaches and lethargy, so I assume it did something. ne -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On Behalf Of philallen876546 Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:58 AM gallstones Subject: 1st Flush Did my first flush, did not get diarrhea until after lunch next day. Then around 30 stones came through. Epsom salts were a little hard to get down, oil mixture was fine. Feel ok now and will see how things progress, I have been struggling to get rid of candida for a a yr and a half now. Tried everything literally apart from this. Fingers crossed. Phil Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 Images: http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation message! To Post message: gallstones Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe Web Sites for more information: http://CureZone.org http://www.liverdoctor.com/ http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ Group page: gallstones To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: gallstones-digest To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-nomail To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-normal You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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