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Welcome to the group, !

Thanks for sharing your experience with ScienceStuff. Sounds like a promising supplier for Lugol's.

http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/Chem-Rgnts/C1924

I have not heard of Dupuytren's Contracture before. And I didn't know iodine was supposed to help with softening cartilage. Do you have any more information on how iodine is supposed to work with this??? any links?

Thanks.

Zoe

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My MIL has Dupuytren's Contracture in one hand. The Lugol's/iodine is also supposed to help with softening the cartilage. Figured it was worth the shot, since I also wanted to try some for my hypo symptoms. I'm waiting for the results of my iodine-loading test. I mailed the test back Friday.

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I just found some information in the article we were discussing yesterday:

""Dupuytren's contracture" and "Peyronie's disease" are two "fibrotic" conditions that can be helped considerably by SSKI. In Dupuytren's contracture, thickening (fibrosis) occurs along one of the tendons in the palm in the hand, pulling the related finger down towards the palm. As the problem progresses, the finger often can't be straightened any more.In Peyronie's disease, a very similar thickening occurs along the shaft of the penis, making erections increasing "curved" and painful. In both cases, rubbing SSKI into the thickened tissue at least twice daily softens and lessens the fibrotic area over a period of several months, allowing for more normal function.For these conditions, it's additionally helpful to take para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) 2 grams, three times daily, and to rub a mixture of Vitamin E and DMSO into the thickened areas, also. However, if "caught early", SSKI alone will often "do the job". (It's also advisable to have glucose-insulin tolerance test done, as there's an unusually high incidence of "insulin resistance" in people with Dupuytren's contracture or Peyronie's disease."Keloids" are abnormally thick scars, sometimes as much as an inch thick, that can form after injury. Although anyone can get a keloid, they're more common among blacks than other ethnic groups. Rubbing SSKI into a keloid at least twice daily will ultimately flatten them down to a "normal scar", but it can take many months to a year for particularly bad ones. The treatment goes faster if SSKI is mixed "50-50" with DMSO."

http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/iodide.shtml

Zoe

I have not heard of Dupuytren's Contracture before. And I didn't know iodine was supposed to help with softening cartilage. Do you have any more information on how iodine is supposed to work with this??? any links?

Thanks.

Zoe

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My MIL has Dupuytren's Contracture in one hand. The Lugol's/iodine is also supposed to help with softening the cartilage.

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I have read about this in newsletter, also maybe Hertoghe's book, but I thought it had to do with the penis? LOL

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Welcome to the group, !

Thanks for sharing your experience with ScienceStuff. Sounds like a promising supplier for Lugol's.

http://www.sciencestuff.com/prod/Chem-Rgnts/C1924

I have not heard of Dupuytren's Contracture before. And I didn't know iodine was supposed to help with softening cartilage. Do you have any more information on how iodine is supposed to work with this??? any links?

Thanks.

Zoe

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My MIL has Dupuytren's Contracture in one hand. The Lugol's/iodine is also supposed to help with softening the cartilage. Figured it was worth the shot, since I also wanted to try some for my hypo symptoms. I'm waiting for the results of my iodine-loading test. I mailed the test back Friday.

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There are two different names. When it affects the

penis it's called Peyronie's disease. When it affects

the hand it's called Dupuytren's.

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> I have read about this in

> newsletter, also maybe Hertoghe's book, but I

> thought it had to do with the penis? LOL

> gracia

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: jtb14789

>

>

> My MIL has Dupuytren's Contracture in one hand.

> The Lugol's/iodine is

> also supposed to help with softening the

> cartilage. Figured it was

> worth the shot, since I also wanted to try some

> for my hypo symptoms.

> I'm waiting for the results of my iodine-loading

> test. I mailed the

> test back Friday.

>

>

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Does anyone know what the formula for this might be. DMSO can really burn

the skin so I am wondering how much to use.

Irene

At 10:22 AM 10/8/2006, you wrote:

>For these conditions, it's additionally helpful to take para-aminobenzoic

>acid (PABA) 2 grams, three times daily, and to rub a mixture of Vitamin E

>and DMSO into the thickened areas, also.

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Thanks, Zoe:

The research on iodine softening the fibrous tissue is limited.

Here's a bit of what I've found so far. I've also included some of

the other links I've found so far, on the surgical options, NA, and

a few of the possible causes, in case this helps anyone else on the

board. There is a link between DC & hypoT.

DMSO is also supposed to help with softening. DMSO can be used to

deliver the iodine quickly and deeply to the tissues too. Anyone

exploring this option should make sure to get as pure a formulation

of DMSO as possible. There is a pharmaceutical grade, 100% pure,

available by prescription. All the OTC ones are of lesser purity.

DMSO is used in veterinary practice and available thru those source,

but purity varies. As DMSO delivers whatever is in it (or on your

skin) to your system, you don't want heavy metals, chemical

contaminants, etc. Some online sources offer DMSO at purity levels

of 99.96% or so - just buyer beware. All of them will note that it's

for " solvent " use only, as they aren't allowed to advertise it for

medicinal use.

The mixes I've seen are 50/50 SSKI iodine & DMSO. DMSO can be an

irritant at full strength, so I've seen notations to dilute to 50-

70% strenght to avoid them. Use distilled water only, so you have no

impurities. Clean your skin thoroughly and rinse with distilled

water. Use non-linting sterile gauze if you wipe the area (so

microfibers won't carry in the DMSO).

There's some discussion of iodine treatment on the DC forum that I

mention in my links below. You can use the search funtions to read

thru their use of it. There's also a forum for men with the same

syndrome on their penis - in which case it's called Peyronie's

Disease. I've included a link at the bottom in case anyone want to

use their search function to read about their use of iodine & /or

DMSO to soften the fibrous tissue.

OK, so on to my links...

http://www.healthiertalk.com/viewtopic.php?

t=1745 & amp;sid=1bd01354fd1147d889e59822caa3f1e3

" ...November 2002 Newsletter - By V. , M.D.

Dupuytren's contracture is a condition sort of along the same lines

as Peyronie's disease, except in this case, the thickened tissue

occurs along one of the tendons in the palm of the hand, pulling the

connected finger down. If it progresses far enough, sometimes it's

impossible to straighten the finger out at all. Rubbing SSKI into

the affected tissue of the palm at least twice a day can " loosen " it

and prevent the condition from progressing to the point of causing a

deformity or disability.

In Dupuytren's contracture and Peyronie's disease, it's also helpful

apply a mixture of vitamin E and DMSO, along with the SSKI, to the

thickened tissue. You may also want to take 2 grams of para-

aminobenzoic acid (PABA) three times a day. And last but not least,

you should also have a glucose-insulin tolerance test done: There's

an unusually high incidence of insulin resistance in people with

these conditions. (For more on insulin resistance, please see the

July and August 2001 issues of Nutrition & Healing.)

This loosening of thickened tissue also works for scars, especially

keloids, which are abnormally thick (sometimes up to an inch) scars.

Rubbing SSKI into a keloid at least twice daily will ultimately

flatten it down to a normal scar. But patience really is a virtue

here: It can take many months to a year for particularly bad ones.

You can help the treatment go a bit faster if you mix SSKI " 50-50 "

with DMSO.... "

http://smartlifeforum.org/2006/01/newsletter.html

Dr. Brownstein - Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live

Without It

" ...Conditions Treated With Iodine :

Breast Disease

Diabetes

Dupuytren's Contracture... "

(I've ordered the book - I know some of you have read it yourselves

already)

http://www.biospecifics.com/forum/readThread.asp?

forumID=1 & threadID=255 (forum for Dupoytren's - you can use search

function re: iodine & possible thyroid connection)

Date: 1/3/2001 5:23:38 AM Name: Lyn Mynott Dupuytren's Could Be

a Symptom of Thyroid Disease:

" ...I run the Thyroid Action Group and have found information in a

book by Budd that Dupuytrens was considered a symptom of

thyroid disease by doctors in 1917. Thyroid disease gives rise to

many, many signs and symptoms and I believe that thyroid disease is

the cause of many other diseases.... "

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/uw/palmarfasciectomy/tabID__3349/Ite

mID__163/PageID__2/Articles/Default.aspx

(warning if you're squeemish: graphic photos of surgical option for

release of fibrous tissue)

" ...Incidence and risk factors : Dupuytren's disease is most common

in Caucasian males over 50 years of age, though it also occurs in

women and in younger patients. It has also been shown to be more

common in diabetics, patients with seizure disorders, HIV positive

patients, patients with HYPOTHYROIDISM (emphasis mine), and in those

who smoke and consume alcohol. Having blood relatives with the

disease also increases a person's chance of being affected,

especially in those with northern European ancestory. However, not

all children of an affected individual will develop the disease, and

not all patients with the disease will have an affected family

member. When several factors such as these are known to be linked to

a disease, but none can be shown to be directly responsible, the

cause is said to be " multifactorial " ... "

New Treatment for DC - Needle Aponeurotomy or NA

http://www.handcenter.org./newfile16.htm

(minimally invasive procedure using a needle) " ...In contrast to

surgical treatment, which requires several months of recovery,

Needle Aponeurotomy allows a more rapid recovery. In most cases, it

is possible to return to near normal activities without bandages

within a few days of treatment.... "

FYI - NA is a " new " treatment in the US, but has been used

sucessfully in France for about 30 years. Now, here's the

interesting thing - behold the power of the internet! :) Dr. Eaton

was the first hand surgeon in the US to learn this technique. He

learned of the procedure on the above discussion board for DC

(http://www.biospecifics.com/forum - Dupuytren's Disease Patient

Discussion Forum). I think someone went to France and posted a video

about it. Dr. Eaton pursued it further with docs in France and

eventually received training there.

A few more surgeons in the US (about 6) and 1 or 2 in Canada now do

the procedure. The ASHS doesn't technically recognize it yet as

an " approved " treatment or normal standard of care. Insurance may or

may not cover it. The cost in France is about $200 - from what I

gather in posts, it runs about $1200 per hand here, with Dr. Eaton.

It's not a " cure " , but a way to provide functional use to the the

hand again. The contractures can reoccur over time, but unlike

surgury, NA can be performed many times with good results and few to

no complications.

There are theories that diabetes and hypothyroidism are factors in

DC. Trauma to the palm may also predispose one to it or trigger a

flare. My MIL developed it after she tripped at work and tried to

stop her fall by extending her hand out. The palm took some of the

force, and she damaged her elbow, shoulder & neck. When she

subsequently developed DC, the worker's comp doctor tried to blame

it on " heredity " . But no one in her family has EVER had it. So I've

been doing some research on trauma as a trigger.

A bit of background hinting at that:

Dupuytren's disease secondary to acute injury, infection or

operation distal to the elbow in the ipsilateral upper limb--a

historical review.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=15757767 & query_hl=

19 & itool=pubmed_docsum

Dupuytren's disease--the influence of occupation and previous hand

injuries

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=710978 & query_hl=22

& itool=pubmed_docsum

" ...Persons with Dupuytren's disease has sustained previous hand

trauma more frequently than the general population, and the interval

between trauma and first sign of disease was usually a few years... "

Peyronie's Disease Patient Discussion Forum

http://www.biospecifics.com/forum/index2.html

(Note: may be too graphic for some. This is a fibrous disease in the

penis. Many men are researching the use of iodine & /or DMSO to

soften the lumps. There is discussion of their " unit " . Although, I

found they tried to be circumspect about it).

> Welcome to the group, !...

> I have not heard of Dupuytren's Contracture before. And I didn't

know iodine was supposed to help with softening cartilage. Do you

have any more information on how iodine is supposed to work with

this??? any links?

>

> Thanks. Zoe

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Thank you very much for your excellent email, filled with useful information and links on Dupuytren's Contracture!!! So that people in the future can find it easily, I am adding it to the links in a new section under "How Iodine Affects the Body".

Links > 21 How Iodine Affects the Body > Bones, Cartilage, Tendons > Dupuytren's Contracture, Peyronie's disease

iodine/links/How_Iodine_Affects_t_001138666832/Bones_001142966943/Dupuytren_s_Contract_001160327721/

Zoe

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From: jtb14789 The research on iodine softening the fibrous tissue is limited. Here's a bit of what I've found so far. I've also included some of the other links I've found so far, on the surgical options, NA, and a few of the possible causes, in case this helps anyone else on the board. There is a link between DC & hypoT.DMSO is also supposed to help with softening. DMSO can be used to deliver the iodine quickly and deeply to the tissues too. Anyone exploring this option should make sure to get as pure a formulation of DMSO as possible. There is a pharmaceutical grade, 100% pure, available by prescription. All the OTC ones are of lesser purity. DMSO is used in veterinary practice and available thru those source, but purity varies. As DMSO delivers whatever is in it (or on your skin) to your system, you don't want heavy metals, chemical contaminants, etc. Some online sources offer DMSO at purity levels of 99.96% or so - just buyer beware. All of them will note that it's for "solvent" use only, as they aren't allowed to advertise it for medicinal use.The mixes I've seen are 50/50 SSKI iodine & DMSO. DMSO can be an irritant at full strength, so I've seen notations to dilute to 50-70% strenght to avoid them. Use distilled water only, so you have no impurities. Clean your skin thoroughly and rinse with distilled water. Use non-linting sterile gauze if you wipe the area (so microfibers won't carry in the DMSO).There's some discussion of iodine treatment on the DC forum that I mention in my links below. You can use the search funtions to read thru their use of it. There's also a forum for men with the same syndrome on their penis - in which case it's called Peyronie's Disease. I've included a link at the bottom in case anyone want to use their search function to read about their use of iodine & /or DMSO to soften the fibrous tissue.OK, so on to my links...http://www.healthiertalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=1745 & amp;sid=1bd01354fd1147d889e59822caa3f1e3 "...November 2002 Newsletter - By V. , M.D. Dupuytren's contracture is a condition sort of along the same lines as Peyronie's disease, except in this case, the thickened tissue occurs along one of the tendons in the palm of the hand, pulling the connected finger down. If it progresses far enough, sometimes it's impossible to straighten the finger out at all. Rubbing SSKI into the affected tissue of the palm at least twice a day can "loosen" it and prevent the condition from progressing to the point of causing a deformity or disability. In Dupuytren's contracture and Peyronie's disease, it's also helpful apply a mixture of vitamin E and DMSO, along with the SSKI, to the thickened tissue. You may also want to take 2 grams of para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) three times a day. And last but not least, you should also have a glucose-insulin tolerance test done: There's an unusually high incidence of insulin resistance in people with these conditions. (For more on insulin resistance, please see the July and August 2001 issues of Nutrition & Healing.) This loosening of thickened tissue also works for scars, especially keloids, which are abnormally thick (sometimes up to an inch) scars. Rubbing SSKI into a keloid at least twice daily will ultimately flatten it down to a normal scar. But patience really is a virtue here: It can take many months to a year for particularly bad ones. You can help the treatment go a bit faster if you mix SSKI "50-50" with DMSO...." http://smartlifeforum.org/2006/01/newsletter.html Dr. Brownstein - Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It "...Conditions Treated With Iodine : Breast Disease Diabetes Dupuytren's Contracture..."(I've ordered the book - I know some of you have read it yourselves already)http://www.biospecifics.com/forum/readThread.asp?forumID=1 & threadID=255 (forum for Dupoytren's - you can use search function re: iodine & possible thyroid connection)Date: 1/3/2001 5:23:38 AM Name: Lyn Mynott Dupuytren's Could Be a Symptom of Thyroid Disease:"...I run the Thyroid Action Group and have found information in a book by Budd that Dupuytrens was considered a symptom of thyroid disease by doctors in 1917. Thyroid disease gives rise to many, many signs and symptoms and I believe that thyroid disease is the cause of many other diseases...."http://www.orthop.washington.edu/uw/palmarfasciectomy/tabID__3349/ItemID__163/PageID__2/Articles/Default.aspx (warning if you're squeemish: graphic photos of surgical option for release of fibrous tissue)"...Incidence and risk factors : Dupuytren's disease is most common in Caucasian males over 50 years of age, though it also occurs in women and in younger patients. It has also been shown to be more common in diabetics, patients with seizure disorders, HIV positive patients, patients with HYPOTHYROIDISM (emphasis mine), and in those who smoke and consume alcohol. Having blood relatives with the disease also increases a person's chance of being affected, especially in those with northern European ancestory. However, not all children of an affected individual will develop the disease, and not all patients with the disease will have an affected family member. When several factors such as these are known to be linked to a disease, but none can be shown to be directly responsible, the cause is said to be "multifactorial"..."New Treatment for DC - Needle Aponeurotomy or NAhttp://www.handcenter.org./newfile16.htm (minimally invasive procedure using a needle) "...In contrast to surgical treatment, which requires several months of recovery, Needle Aponeurotomy allows a more rapid recovery. In most cases, it is possible to return to near normal activities without bandages within a few days of treatment...."FYI - NA is a "new" treatment in the US, but has been used sucessfully in France for about 30 years. Now, here's the interesting thing - behold the power of the internet! :) Dr. Eaton was the first hand surgeon in the US to learn this technique. He learned of the procedure on the above discussion board for DC (http://www.biospecifics.com/forum - Dupuytren's Disease Patient Discussion Forum). I think someone went to France and posted a video about it. Dr. Eaton pursued it further with docs in France and eventually received training there.A few more surgeons in the US (about 6) and 1 or 2 in Canada now do the procedure. The ASHS doesn't technically recognize it yet as an "approved" treatment or normal standard of care. Insurance may or may not cover it. The cost in France is about $200 - from what I gather in posts, it runs about $1200 per hand here, with Dr. Eaton.It's not a "cure", but a way to provide functional use to the the hand again. The contractures can reoccur over time, but unlike surgury, NA can be performed many times with good results and few to no complications. There are theories that diabetes and hypothyroidism are factors in DC. Trauma to the palm may also predispose one to it or trigger a flare. My MIL developed it after she tripped at work and tried to stop her fall by extending her hand out. The palm took some of the force, and she damaged her elbow, shoulder & neck. When she subsequently developed DC, the worker's comp doctor tried to blame it on "heredity". But no one in her family has EVER had it. So I've been doing some research on trauma as a trigger.A bit of background hinting at that: Dupuytren's disease secondary to acute injury, infection or operation distal to the elbow in the ipsilateral upper limb--a historical review.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=15757767 & query_hl=19 & itool=pubmed_docsum Dupuytren's disease--the influence of occupation and previous hand injurieshttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=710978 & query_hl=22 & itool=pubmed_docsum "...Persons with Dupuytren's disease has sustained previous hand trauma more frequently than the general population, and the interval between trauma and first sign of disease was usually a few years..."Peyronie's Disease Patient Discussion Forumhttp://www.biospecifics.com/forum/index2.html (Note: may be too graphic for some. This is a fibrous disease in the penis. Many men are researching the use of iodine & /or DMSO to soften the lumps. There is discussion of their "unit". Although, I found they tried to be circumspect about it).> Welcome to the group, !... > I have not heard of Dupuytren's Contracture before. And I didn't know iodine was supposed to help with softening cartilage. Do you have any more information on how iodine is supposed to work with this??? any links?> > Thanks. Zoe

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