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Thanks for that info Zoe. Alt Medicine / Holistic Med has saved my life. I am up for a fight!

B.

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>From: " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...>

> (an early proponent of iodine and natural hormones) is

>asking for support for alternative docs in Washington state who are under

>attack by the Medical Quality Assurance Commission (MQAC).

There's where the issue shows up in medicine. I think problems go way

beyond that, as " health ranger " Mike was asking whether or not the

state owns your body. See -

http://www.newstarget.com/020001.html

Where a minor who wanted alternative treatment, as well as his parents, are

being told by the courts what they have to do to avoid prison.

Of course, the government wants only what's for the best of the people, why

else would they have those " click it or ticket " commercials to let us know

it's not safe to go without seatbelts, (not to mention they have the right

to make such decisions for us.)

It starts with the people letting little issues go, and then it keeps

snowballing until we wonder what's happened to us. They got rid of Derry,

Durrant-Peatfield, and they're also trying to get rid of some helpful

doctors in the USA.

Skipper

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a link from your link http://www.DangerousMedicine.com looks very

interesting!

I just feel like allopathic medicne is trying to murder me. I really need

HGH and insurance won't pay for it, how to afford is beyond me. What can we

do as citizens to obtain quality care.

" They " got rid of my BB doc too here in Maine for doing hydrogen peroxide

IVs.

class action lawsuit even possible? against big pharma who teaches docs?

gracia

> >From: " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...>

>

>> (an early proponent of iodine and natural hormones) is

>>asking for support for alternative docs in Washington state who are under

>>attack by the Medical Quality Assurance Commission (MQAC).

>

> There's where the issue shows up in medicine. I think problems go way

> beyond that, as " health ranger " Mike was asking whether or not the

> state owns your body. See -

>

> http://www.newstarget.com/020001.html

>

> Where a minor who wanted alternative treatment, as well as his parents,

> are

> being told by the courts what they have to do to avoid prison.

>

> Of course, the government wants only what's for the best of the people,

> why

> else would they have those " click it or ticket " commercials to let us know

> it's not safe to go without seatbelts, (not to mention they have the right

> to make such decisions for us.)

>

> It starts with the people letting little issues go, and then it keeps

> snowballing until we wonder what's happened to us. They got rid of Derry,

> Durrant-Peatfield, and they're also trying to get rid of some helpful

> doctors in the USA.

>

> Skipper

>

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> Iodine

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>I just feel like allopathic medicne is trying to murder me.

Maybe they are. I used to think I was being a bit paranoid, because I

didn't understand how medicine could be so powerful. Medicine and politics

are entertwined, and they have agendas many of us aren't going to like if

they come to light. Historically, those agendas have been well disguised.

Either I'm getting old and wise, or those agendas are being uncovered. Or

maybe, I'm simply going insane because anyone knows that people with

conspiracy theories are insane, our leaders, the tobacco companies, the drug

companies, they'd never conspire to do things that are harmful to us, and

that the general population would disapprove of.

> " They " got rid of my BB doc too here in Maine for doing hydrogen peroxide

>IVs.

You've got to understand that's for our own protection (just like seat belt

laws.) The government is like our parents, and they only want to protect

us. They know what's best for us. That's why they started requiring

prescriptions around the 1930s. If we're killed by a drug, they want us to

have paid a physician in order to have received that drug, and bought it

from a pharmacy. This adds revenue to the economy.

Just because we have hydrogen peroxide in every cell in our body, and it

helps us fight infection, that has nothing to do with whether it's safe or

not, does it? I've wondered since it's so dangerous, why don't they require

it to be removed from honey, which is high in it. Of course, just because

baby bees can survive it doesn't mean humans can.

http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_iv_hydrogen_peroxide_th\

erapy.html

" Hydrogen peroxide is a part of normal metabolism. Your body produces it

constantly. There are units in certain white blood cells called

" peroxisomes, " which produce H2O2. These white cells then engulf bacteria

which cause disease and mix them together with these peroxisomes. They both

then disappear as the singlet oxygen from H2O2 destroys the bacteria or

virus. This happens naturally, without any help from outside sources of

hydrogen peroxide. "

" They " think they own our bodies. Otherwise the court in Texas wouldn't

have forced that minor female to get chemotherapy before she could get an IV

cancer cure of Vitamin C, and that current case in Orgeon (?) wouldn't be

making decisions for a minor child when both he and his parents agree as to

what he should really be getting. Thinking they own our bodies, that's what

it comes down to.

>class action lawsuit even possible? against big pharma who teaches docs?

>gracia

It seems that Teddy Roosevelt understood monopoly, and how it hurt the

common person. Not quite sure any president since has had that

understanding.

Skipper

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Gracia,

Did your physician do a stim test and did you meet the diagnostic criteria? Is

your insurance company refusing because they don't cover GH or are they

stalling to see if you'll give up?

Pharmaceutical companies have benefits investigation programs for growth

hormone where they will do the appeal on your behalf. If you meet the criteria

and your doctor is willing to write the prescription, he or she can then allow

the pharmaceutical company, whose product he prescribed, to work on your

behalf. The appeal is a lot of work, so some health plans don't allow the

insurance companies to do the appeal because they know that the doctor

doesn't have the office staff to see it through. Check with your doctor to find

out exactly what's going on.

Orelindel

> I really need HGH and insurance won't pay for it, how to afford is beyond

me. What can we do as citizens to obtain quality care.

> " They " got rid of my BB doc too here in Maine for doing hydrogen peroxide

> IVs. class action lawsuit even possible? against big pharma who teaches

docs?

> gracia

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well just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't after me

wanna make yourself sick? Look at this

http://ottawa_thyroid.ncf.ca/guides/13_concerns.htm

Gracia

> >

>From: "Gracia" <circe@...>>I just feel like allopathic medicne is trying to murder me.Maybe they are. I used to think I was being a bit paranoid, because I didn't understand how medicine could be so powerful. Medicine and politics are entertwined, and they have agendas many of us aren't going to like if they come to light. Historically, those agendas have been well disguised. Either I'm getting old and wise, or those agendas are being uncovered. Or maybe, I'm simply going insane because anyone knows that people with conspiracy theories are insane, our leaders, the tobacco companies, the drug companies, they'd never conspire to do things that are harmful to us, and that the general population would disapprove of.>"They" got rid of my BB doc too here in Maine for doing hydrogen peroxide>IVs.You've got to understand that's for our own protection (just like seat belt laws.) The government is like our parents, and they only want to protect us. They know what's best for us. That's why they started requiring prescriptions around the 1930s. If we're killed by a drug, they want us to have paid a physician in order to have received that drug, and bought it from a pharmacy. This adds revenue to the economy.Just because we have hydrogen peroxide in every cell in our body, and it helps us fight infection, that has nothing to do with whether it's safe or not, does it? I've wondered since it's so dangerous, why don't they require it to be removed from honey, which is high in it. Of course, just because baby bees can survive it doesn't mean humans can.http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_iv_hydrogen_peroxide_therapy.html"Hydrogen peroxide is a part of normal metabolism. Your body produces it constantly. There are units in certain white blood cells called "peroxisomes," which produce H2O2. These white cells then engulf bacteria which cause disease and mix them together with these peroxisomes. They both then disappear as the singlet oxygen from H2O2 destroys the bacteria or virus. This happens naturally, without any help from outside sources of hydrogen peroxide.""They" think they own our bodies. Otherwise the court in Texas wouldn't have forced that minor female to get chemotherapy before she could get an IV cancer cure of Vitamin C, and that current case in Orgeon (?) wouldn't be making decisions for a minor child when both he and his parents agree as to what he should really be getting. Thinking they own our bodies, that's what it comes down to.>class action lawsuit even possible? against big pharma who teaches docs?>graciaIt seems that Teddy Roosevelt understood monopoly, and how it hurt the common person. Not quite sure any president since has had that understanding.Skipper__________________________________________________________Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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ONE WORD - PUKE!!

B.

well just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't after me

wanna make yourself sick? Look at this

http://ottawa_thyroid.ncf.ca/guides/13_concerns.htm

Gracia

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--- orelindel <whatmattersmost@...> wrote:

> Gracia,

>

> Did your physician do a stim test and did you meet

> the diagnostic criteria? Is

> your insurance company refusing because they don't

> cover GH or are they

> stalling to see if you'll give up?

>

> Pharmaceutical companies have benefits investigation

> programs for growth

> hormone where they will do the appeal on your

> behalf. If you meet the criteria

> and your doctor is willing to write the

> prescription, he or she can then allow

> the pharmaceutical company, whose product he

> prescribed, to work on your

> behalf. The appeal is a lot of work, so some health

> plans don't allow the

> insurance companies to do the appeal because they

> know that the doctor

> doesn't have the office staff to see it through.

> Check with your doctor to find

> out exactly what's going on.

>

> Orelindel

>

Orelindel,

Thank you for this.

There has been related discussion recently about the

system.

Information such as this, if we are willing to devote

the time, has the potential to lead to change.

Abbe

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> well just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't after me

>

> wanna make yourself sick? Look at this

>

> http://ottawa_thyroid.ncf.ca/guides/13_concerns.htm

Seen it before, but that was when I noticed that they claimed in spite of

symptoms, if your TSH is normal you couldn't possibly have a thyroid

problem.

Are you referring to that or the iodine?

When Dr. Derry was being attacked in British Columbia, there were doctors

who came right out and said only the biochemical levels matter, how patients

feel is irrelevant.

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I was referring to both thyroid and iodine info. The "expert" says that if you have a goiter it isn't from iodine deficiency, b/c iodized salt is used in US and Canada.

I didn't have time to read everything thoroughly yet. Clearly as patients we need to take control of our own healthcare. You are aware of the endo in England (Weetman?) who says that if you have hypo symptoms but "normal" TSH, then you should be treated with psychotropic drugs and "compassion" for hysteria.

Gracia

>From: "Gracia" <circe@...>> well just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't after me >> wanna make yourself sick? Look at this>> http://ottawa_thyroid.ncf.ca/guides/13_concerns.htmSeen it before, but that was when I noticed that they claimed in spite of symptoms, if your TSH is normal you couldn't possibly have a thyroid problem.Are you referring to that or the iodine?When Dr. Derry was being attacked in British Columbia, there were doctors who came right out and said only the biochemical levels matter, how patients feel is irrelevant.Skipper__________________________________________________________Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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