Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 , You asked about how iodine kills viruses, I don't know if this is exactly what you want, but if you go to www.jcrow.com they describe how the blood goes throught the thyroid, I think. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 >>>I am able to tolerate the iodoral now and it is pretty powerful. I can tell you that taking even the armour thyroid does not activate the places that the iodine does! The Lugols has not arrived yet.<<< Don't have your answers on viruses other than speculating that if you have a thyroid it makes your thyroid function more efficiently and the blood is filtered through the thyroid. I just read a description of this. I can try to find it. I am more curious about what changes you are seeing that were not happening on Armour alone. Can you elaborate? I am only on Armour right now - no thyroid gland / removed due to thyroid cancer. Will be starting Iodoral in March. Buist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Dear , I've wondered how iodine killed viruses, etc., too. I have been wondering how can iodine be such a good antiseptic and yet not kill the cells of the body? What is it that iodine is capable of killing? Why doesn't it kill everything? I found the following information on page 7 of Derry's book: Breast Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer "Lugol, a Paris physician, discovered iodine was made more soluble in water by potassium iodide. This discovery allowed the antiseptic properties of iodine solutions to be exploited, one century later, to sterilize every surface and material in hospitals. Its antiseptic potency and safety were never equaled or surpassed, as dilute iodine solutions kill all single celled organisms such as bacteria, viruses, fungi, and protozoa. Not only are Lugol's solutions bactericidal at high dilutions, like 1/170,000, for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, but also iodine has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects, and no development of bacterial resistance. "The most significant evolutionary event for eukaryote (nucleated cells organisms), including humans, occurred when seaweeds concentrated iodine. From this process came multicellular organisms, vertebrates, and humans. Because iodine was not available in significant concentrations for much of evolution, single celled organisms blissfully reproduced themselves with structural membrane proteins having the amino acid tyrosine or histidine exposed to the surrounding medium or extra-cellular fluids. Iodine kills single celled organisms by combining with these same two amino acids. All single celled organisms showing tyrosine (tyrosyl) linkages exposed in the membrane proteins are killed by this simple chemical reaction that denatures proteins and kills the cells." I find this a fascinating passage. Unfortunately, there are no references. And I do not know whether these facts and interpretations are generally accepted or if this is Derry's personal theory. I know that Venturi talks about some of these evolutionary issues. I don't know whether the membranes of the single cells have tyrosine. I do know that thyroid hormones are created by adding iodine to a tyrosine base (i.e., T4 = tyrosine + 4 iodine, T3 = tyrosine + 3 iodine). I intend to read the literature by Jack Kessler and Symbollon on antiseptics, but have not yet found the time to do so. Iodine also strengthens the immune system. In one of Abraham's articles (I think it is Abraham. I don't have the time to track it down right now.), he talks about iodine and the immune system. It is apparently important in phagocytosis. The iodine is so important for the immune system that, if iodine levels are very low, it will even "eat" the thyroid hormones in the blood in order to get their iodine. So, iodine would also have an effect through the immune system. Thanks for asking the question. Maybe some of the other people on this group know more than I do about this important issue. Zoe PS. I'd be interested in hearing your experiences on Iodoral. What do you mean by "It is pretty powerful....taking even the armour thyroid does not activate the places that the iodine does!" I apologize if this question has already been answered but I have searched the archives and it did not reveal the answer.I have heard people refer to iodine killing viruses...Is this because of a property that it contains or is it because it is filling a nutritional need in the body and the body kills the virus?I am able to tolerate the iodoral now and it is pretty powerful. I can tell you that taking even the armour thyroid does not activate the places that the iodine does! The Lugols has not arrived yet.I am so grateful for this information being shared! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Here is a simple chemical description of how iodine works to "kill" stuff. "Iodine exists in several oxidation states including its fully reduced iodide (I-) state, its diatomic elemental state (I2) (hereafter "elemental iodine"), and in several higher oxidation states in combination with oxygen (e.g., hypoiodate (IO-), iodate (IO3-) and periodate (IO4-)). In aqueous solutions iodide forms an equilibrium complex with elemental iodine, yielding soluble tri-iodide (I3-) which exhibits neither significant microbicidal nor virucidal activity. On the other hand, trace quantities (e.g., a few ppm) of elemental iodine are sufficient to cross the lipid bilayer of cells, and sufficient to kill micro-organisms through oxidative reactions within their lipid bilayer. Extensive studies have also shown that microorganisms are incapable of developing resistance against elemental iodine because of its ability to oxidize and intercalate into multiple sites within microbes." Instead of "killing stuff" I prefer to think of it as digesting them and making them biocompatible with the energy of the human body. Just like eating a strong fungal or bacterial acid waste will cause sodium iodide to be secreted in saliva until the waste is digested (ph balanced). A fun trick is to spray any kind of decomposing organic matter on your hand (or just spray starch), then add iodide (as lugol's) to oxidize or burn it, once it has been oxidized and turns color, add an electron donor like vitamin c to reduce the waste (clean out the fireplace), everywhere you touch the vitamin c to the burned starch on your hand will turn to a clear mucous. Just like the mucous that lines your intestinal tract. What is harder to understand is that iodine is how we evolved, and is why when you look at our chakas the top ones, the master glands, are the same purple color as diatomic iodine. It's the reason the wide spectrum of waves around us is seen through the watery glaze of lower diatomic elements (h2,o2) as a rainbow with purple as the first color. It filters our range of biocompatible frequencies. The reason why the iodine is the brown fat tissue of babies soft spot on his head helps him store and generate endothermic (endo=internal) heat. The reason you don't touch it is historically because you make a hot spot when baby is in the sun. The same reason you don't touch a quartz/iodide lamp with your fingers. The oil from your hands can create a concentrated hot spot on the lamp, causing it to bubble and burn out. The reason hibernating mammals have iodine rich fat to burn while they sleep away the winter. I would love to do a more detailed description of this, but it's hard to figure the right words to use as I only know how to describe it by using terms from many different areas of science. thermodynamics, physics, organic semiconduction, and most important pleomorphic biology. Cheers, From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe & Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:48 PMiodine Subject: Re: how iodine kills viruses Dear , I've wondered how iodine killed viruses, etc., too. I have been wondering how can iodine be such a good antiseptic and yet not kill the cells of the body? What is it that iodine is capable of killing? Why doesn't it kill everything? I found the following information on page 7 of Derry's book: Breast Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer "Lugol, a Paris physician, discovered iodine was made more soluble in water by potassium iodide. This discovery allowed the antiseptic properties of iodine solutions to be exploited, one century later, to sterilize every surface and material in hospitals. Its antiseptic potency and safety were never equaled or surpassed, as dilute iodine solutions kill all single celled organisms such as bacteria, viruses, fungi, and protozoa. Not only are Lugol's solutions bactericidal at high dilutions, like 1/170,000, for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, but also iodine has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects, and no development of bacterial resistance. "The most significant evolutionary event for eukaryote (nucleated cells organisms), including humans, occurred when seaweeds concentrated iodine. From this process came multicellular organisms, vertebrates, and humans. Because iodine was not available in significant concentrations for much of evolution, single celled organisms blissfully reproduced themselves with structural membrane proteins having the amino acid tyrosine or histidine exposed to the surrounding medium or extra-cellular fluids. Iodine kills single celled organisms by combining with these same two amino acids. All single celled organisms showing tyrosine (tyrosyl) linkages exposed in the membrane proteins are killed by this simple chemical reaction that denatures proteins and kills the cells." I find this a fascinating passage. Unfortunately, there are no references. And I do not know whether these facts and interpretations are generally accepted or if this is Derry's personal theory. I know that Venturi talks about some of these evolutionary issues. I don't know whether the membranes of the single cells have tyrosine. I do know that thyroid hormones are created by adding iodine to a tyrosine base (i.e., T4 = tyrosine + 4 iodine, T3 = tyrosine + 3 iodine). I intend to read the literature by Jack Kessler and Symbollon on antiseptics, but have not yet found the time to do so. Iodine also strengthens the immune system. In one of Abraham's articles (I think it is Abraham. I don't have the time to track it down right now.), he talks about iodine and the immune system. It is apparently important in phagocytosis. The iodine is so important for the immune system that, if iodine levels are very low, it will even "eat" the thyroid hormones in the blood in order to get their iodine. So, iodine would also have an effect through the immune system. Thanks for asking the question. Maybe some of the other people on this group know more than I do about this important issue. Zoe PS. I'd be interested in hearing your experiences on Iodoral. What do you mean by "It is pretty powerful....taking even the armour thyroid does not activate the places that the iodine does!" I apologize if this question has already been answered but I have searched the archives and it did not reveal the answer.I have heard people refer to iodine killing viruses...Is this because of a property that it contains or is it because it is filling a nutritional need in the body and the body kills the virus?I am able to tolerate the iodoral now and it is pretty powerful. I can tell you that taking even the armour thyroid does not activate the places that the iodine does! The Lugols has not arrived yet.I am so grateful for this information being shared! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 , do you have a reference for this quote? Zoe "Iodine exists in several oxidation states including its fully reduced iodide (I-) state, its diatomic elemental state (I2) (hereafter "elemental iodine"), and in several higher oxidation states in combination with oxygen (e.g., hypoiodate (IO-), iodate (IO3-) and periodate (IO4-)). In aqueous solutions iodide forms an equilibrium complex with elemental iodine, yielding soluble tri-iodide (I3-) which exhibits neither significant microbicidal nor virucidal activity. On the other hand, trace quantities (e.g., a few ppm) of elemental iodine are sufficient to cross the lipid bilayer of cells, and sufficient to kill micro-organisms through oxidative reactions within their lipid bilayer. Extensive studies have also shown that microorganisms are incapable of developing resistance against elemental iodine because of its ability to oxidize and intercalate into multiple sites within microbes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hi Zoe, The quote I pulled is from a patent, but I don't remember the number. You might be able to search for some of the text at uspto.gov and find it. It's for using iodine in implanted devices as an anti-infective. I didn't save the reference as this info is pretty standard chemical/medical knowledge, except for the last sentence, which is a bit speculative. Cheers, From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe & Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:51 AMiodine Subject: Re: how iodine kills viruses , do you have a reference for this quote? Zoe "Iodine exists in several oxidation states including its fully reduced iodide (I-) state, its diatomic elemental state (I2) (hereafter "elemental iodine"), and in several higher oxidation states in combination with oxygen (e.g., hypoiodate (IO-), iodate (IO3-) and periodate (IO4-)). In aqueous solutions iodide forms an equilibrium complex with elemental iodine, yielding soluble tri-iodide (I3-) which exhibits neither significant microbicidal nor virucidal activity. On the other hand, trace quantities (e.g., a few ppm) of elemental iodine are sufficient to cross the lipid bilayer of cells, and sufficient to kill micro-organisms through oxidative reactions within their lipid bilayer. Extensive studies have also shown that microorganisms are incapable of developing resistance against elemental iodine because of its ability to oxidize and intercalate into multiple sites within microbes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Thanks, . I found the quote in US Patents, and have added the section from the patent on "Iodine as an Anti-Infective Agent" to the files and links. Iodine as an Anti-Infective Agent.doc "Iodine exists in several oxidation states including its fully reduced iodide (I-) state, its diatomic elemental state (I2) (hereafter "elemental iodine"), and in several higher oxidation states in combination with oxygen (e.g., hypoiodate (IO-), iodate (IO3-) and periodate (IO4-)). In aqueous solutions iodide forms an equilibrium complex with elemental iodine, yielding soluble tri-iodide (I3-) which exhibits neither significant microbicidal nor virucidal activity. On the other hand, trace quantities (e.g., a few ppm) of elemental iodine are sufficient to cross the lipid bilayer of cells, and sufficient to kill micro-organisms through oxidative reactions within their lipid bilayer. Extensive studies have also shown that microorganisms are incapable of developing resistance against elemental iodine because of its ability to oxidize and intercalate into multiple sites within microbes." [From a US Patent. Find in "Files"] Zoe Hi Zoe, The quote I pulled is from a patent, but I don't remember the number. You might be able to search for some of the text at uspto.gov and find it. It's for using iodine in implanted devices as an anti-infective. I didn't save the reference as this info is pretty standard chemical/medical knowledge, except for the last sentence, which is a bit speculative. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Rather than state the source as " From a US Patent Find in 'Files', " why not just give the patent #? - > > Thanks, . > > I found the quote in US Patents, and have added the section from the patent on " Iodine as an Anti-Infective Agent " to the files and links. > > Iodine as an Anti-Infective Agent.doc > " Iodine exists in several oxidation states including its fully reduced iodide (I-) state, its diatomic elemental state (I2) (hereafter " elemental iodine " ), and in several higher oxidation states in combination with oxygen (e.g., hypoiodate (IO-), iodate (IO3-) and periodate (IO4-)). In aqueous solutions iodide forms an equilibrium complex with elemental iodine, yielding soluble tri-iodide (I3-) which exhibits neither significant microbicidal nor virucidal activity. On the other hand, trace quantities (e.g., a few ppm) of elemental iodine are sufficient to cross the lipid bilayer of cells, and sufficient to kill micro-organisms through oxidative reactions within their lipid bilayer. Extensive studies have also shown that microorganisms are incapable of developing resistance against elemental iodine because of its ability to oxidize and intercalate into multiple sites within microbes. " [From a US Patent. Find in " Files " ] > > Zoe > > Hi Zoe, The quote I pulled is from a patent, but I don't remember the number. You might be able to search for some of the text at uspto.gov and find it. It's for using iodine in implanted devices as an anti-infective. I didn't save the reference as this info is pretty standard chemical/medical knowledge, except for the last sentence, which is a bit speculative. Cheers, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I have been thinking about the assetrion that Iodine kills all microorganisms. I do not doubt the info is from a US Patent, but I question whether it is as universally true as the statement implies. I have no proof for my conjectures, or any web references, but I do know that bacteria are inside salt water fish intestines, bacteria and mold grow on seaweed. If Iodine killed all microorganisms as neatly and universally as the quote below describes, how is it that microbes can fluorish in an Iodine rich environment like the sea? Sea vegetables concentrate Iodine even further, and yet they are prone to microbial infections. It seems to me that microbes will indeed be killed by washing a wound in Lugol's or other form of Iodine, but I do not feel taking a fedw drops of Lugol's per day will neccessarily kill off all intestinal flora. Thoughts? Comments? Alobar > > Hi Zoe, The quote I pulled is from a patent, but I don't remember the > number. You might be able to search for some of the text at uspto.gov and > find it. It's for using iodine in implanted devices as an anti-infective. I > didn't save the reference as this info is pretty standard chemical/medical > knowledge, except for the last sentence, which is a bit speculative. Cheers, > > > > _____ > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > Zoe & > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:51 AM > iodine > Subject: Re: how iodine kills viruses > > > , do you have a reference for this quote? Zoe > > " Iodine exists in several oxidation states including its fully reduced > iodide (I-) state, its diatomic elemental state (I2) (hereafter " elemental > iodine " ), and in several higher oxidation states in combination with oxygen > (e.g., hypoiodate (IO-), iodate (IO3-) and periodate (IO4-)). In aqueous > solutions iodide forms an equilibrium complex with elemental iodine, > yielding soluble tri-iodide (I3-) which exhibits neither significant > microbicidal nor virucidal activity. On the other hand, trace quantities > (e.g., a few ppm) of elemental iodine are sufficient to cross the lipid > bilayer of cells, and sufficient to kill micro-organisms through oxidative > reactions within their lipid bilayer. Extensive studies have also shown that > microorganisms are incapable of developing resistance against elemental > iodine because of its ability to oxidize and intercalate into multiple sites > within microbes. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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