Re: Foods and cleaning items

[Guest guest]

,

I'm so sorry to read your story. Remember, " recovery " is not synonymous

with " diversion " . Only you know if it is worth it to continue with your

board program.

You are not alone. There are at least 15 other CA RN's here who have had

problems with EtG testing. The BRN continues to believe that your

positive test was the result of either drinking or knowingly, willingly,

and intentionally consuming a food containing EtOH or being exposed to a

hygiene/cleaning product containing EtOH. You know that is not the case.

Have you read the WSJ article on EtG testing?

As far as what is causing your positives and foods to avoid, we have

discussed just about everything on this board. There is no scientific

evidence to back up what we say, only anecdotal stories. Look over the

FAQ's in the Database....That may help you. Don't be afraid to ask

questions. The support, knowledge, and advice here are great!

Lorie

>

> I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested positive for ETG

> 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in my mouth. Now I am

> afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched and ate,

> and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the program had

> food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN license

> is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my sobriety date, I

> am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to depature and

> have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will have my

> marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number 1 and I

> am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this program?

>

> Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test positive

> I know of the common things, I have been on all of the websites about

> ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a test of

> 700 or higher

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome to the group. I am sorry to hear about all the

crap this test has caused you....you are not alone. As far as the

cleaning products....with the new info on inhalants, I would believe

it is possible, but, as with anything else incidental, there is NO

research. Before my last positive I had been careful and tried

thinking of what I might have ate or drank and could not come up with

anything that might cause it. Since the info about inhalants, I am

thinking that it may have been caused by the spraying of lysol in my

office. I share the office with 4 other people and as soon as

someone is sick, there is one that goes NUTZ with the lysol

spray....unfortunately, that info came over a year after my positive

so I cannot be sure. I know one thing for sure....THIS TEST MUST BE

STOPPED...one way or another. Too many people have been hurt already

and STILL are! Things have changed some, but as long as people

continue to be treated like this, I feel that my mission is not

accomplished! Hope you will find the support and some answers you

may be looking for in this group!

>

> I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested positive for

ETG

> 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in my mouth. Now I

am

> afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched and

ate,

> and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the program

had

> food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN

license

> is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my sobriety

date, I

> am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to depature and

> have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will have

my

> marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number 1 and

I

> am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this program?

>

> Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test

positive

> I know of the common things, I have been on all of the websites

about

> ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a test of

> 700 or higher

>

[Guest guest]

--- Hi ,

The Puritans are at it again. Only this time instead of a Witch

Hunt, they are waging a Secret Drinking Hunt. And the results are

the same, innocent people being burned at the stake. Will we EVER

learn from history?

You said you had to change your " sobriety date " . Oh whatevah!

Besides, " sobriety " dates are stupid anyway. If you have quit, you

have quit. Why count days? And if you were addicted to something

and you have a beer on Friday night, you are still " sober " . Sober

means, not intoxicated. Now I guess if you drink too much and get

drunk, you wouldn't be sober at the time. However, once the effects

have worn off, you again would be sober. So everyone in the world

would have to change their " sobriety " date wouldn't they? AA

bastardizes the Proper Kings' English worse than I do. I recall one

woman who had something like 5,432 days, or some stupid shit like

that. She then proceeded to say " if I make it until midnight, I'll

have 5433 days.

DUDE, if you haven't drank for that many days, and YOU STILL DON'T

KNOW if you'll drink today, then I say, GIVE IT THE HELL UP! You

may as well drink if you're gonna obsess about it every day.

Besides, this woman went to meetings 2-3 times a day, EVERYDAY. And

after 5,432 days, she STILL didn't have a job, she STILL was living

off of the taxpayers, she STILL was one step ahead of the bill

collectors, she STILL didn't take care of her kids, she STILL was

bat shit crazy. Soooooooo, it would appear that maybe, just maybe,

her ass should have been attempting something else. Ya think?

And be very careful about that " sobriety should be number 1. It is

not an accident that this is part of the AA mantra. All cults

attempt to extract you from your family, it is part of the

brainwashing. For those who leave or lose their family, they become

even more dependent on the cult. Of course it is important that you

don't drink or use drugs if you have signed a contract saying that

you wouldn't. That said, when a cult member or treatment

professional tell you that " sobriety is number 1 " , they don't mean

remaining abstinent. They mean that you attend 2-3 meetings a day

for 5,432 days so if you're lucky, and your higher power isn't being

an asshole that day, you can make it to 5433 days, so on and so

forth. They mean following the herd with your head down, eyes closed

and just going on blind faith that you won't be used and abused by

the predators who frequent the rewms.

You ask, " what use is this program " ? It is of no use to people who

truly need help fighting addiction. However, it is the Goose that

layed the Golden Egg for the multi-billion dollar a year trickment

industry and a platform from which the prohibitionists spew their

propaganda.

Lorie will more than likely respond with a list of things to avoid.

She is the smart one here, I'm just the agitator.

BTW, how does prohibiting you from traveling to Europe protect the

publik? Do they think that your drunk, secret drinking ass is gonna

fly the plane? Or do they think that owl-kee-haul is easier to

secretly drink in Europe? Just wondering.

In Ethylglucuronide , " jhartman32001 "

<jhartman32001@...> wrote:

>

> I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested positive for

ETG

> 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in my mouth. Now

I am

> afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched and

ate,

> and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the program

had

> food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN

license

> is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my sobriety

date, I

> am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to depature and

> have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will have

my

> marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number 1

and I

> am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this program?

>

> Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test

positive

> I know of the common things, I have been on all of the websites

about

> ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a test

of

> 700 or higher

>

[Guest guest]

What do you think of hair conditioners, I was looking through my

stuff and the 2nd ingredient is alcohol in most conditioners

Just a thought

---

In Ethylglucuronide , " madisonxyz2000 "

<madisonxyz2000@...> wrote:

>

> --- Hi ,

> The Puritans are at it again. Only this time instead of a Witch

> Hunt, they are waging a Secret Drinking Hunt. And the results are

> the same, innocent people being burned at the stake. Will we

EVER

> learn from history?

>

> You said you had to change your " sobriety date " . Oh whatevah!

> Besides, " sobriety " dates are stupid anyway. If you have quit, you

> have quit. Why count days? And if you were addicted to something

> and you have a beer on Friday night, you are still " sober " . Sober

> means, not intoxicated. Now I guess if you drink too much and get

> drunk, you wouldn't be sober at the time. However, once the

effects

> have worn off, you again would be sober. So everyone in the world

> would have to change their " sobriety " date wouldn't they? AA

> bastardizes the Proper Kings' English worse than I do. I recall

one

> woman who had something like 5,432 days, or some stupid shit like

> that. She then proceeded to say " if I make it until midnight,

I'll

> have 5433 days.

> DUDE, if you haven't drank for that many days, and YOU STILL DON'T

> KNOW if you'll drink today, then I say, GIVE IT THE HELL UP! You

> may as well drink if you're gonna obsess about it every day.

> Besides, this woman went to meetings 2-3 times a day, EVERYDAY.

And

> after 5,432 days, she STILL didn't have a job, she STILL was

living

> off of the taxpayers, she STILL was one step ahead of the bill

> collectors, she STILL didn't take care of her kids, she STILL was

> bat shit crazy. Soooooooo, it would appear that maybe, just

maybe,

> her ass should have been attempting something else. Ya think?

>

> And be very careful about that " sobriety should be number 1. It

is

> not an accident that this is part of the AA mantra. All cults

> attempt to extract you from your family, it is part of the

> brainwashing. For those who leave or lose their family, they

become

> even more dependent on the cult. Of course it is important that

you

> don't drink or use drugs if you have signed a contract saying that

> you wouldn't. That said, when a cult member or treatment

> professional tell you that " sobriety is number 1 " , they don't mean

> remaining abstinent. They mean that you attend 2-3 meetings a day

> for 5,432 days so if you're lucky, and your higher power isn't

being

> an asshole that day, you can make it to 5433 days, so on and so

> forth. They mean following the herd with your head down, eyes

closed

> and just going on blind faith that you won't be used and abused by

> the predators who frequent the rewms.

>

> You ask, " what use is this program " ? It is of no use to people

who

> truly need help fighting addiction. However, it is the Goose

that

> layed the Golden Egg for the multi-billion dollar a year trickment

> industry and a platform from which the prohibitionists spew their

> propaganda.

>

> Lorie will more than likely respond with a list of things to

avoid.

> She is the smart one here, I'm just the agitator.

> BTW, how does prohibiting you from traveling to Europe protect the

> publik? Do they think that your drunk, secret drinking ass is

gonna

> fly the plane? Or do they think that owl-kee-haul is easier to

> secretly drink in Europe? Just wondering.

>

>

>

> In Ethylglucuronide , " jhartman32001 "

> <jhartman32001@> wrote:

> >

> > I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested positive

for

> ETG

> > 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in my mouth.

Now

> I am

> > afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched and

> ate,

> > and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the

program

> had

> > food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN

> license

> > is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my sobriety

> date, I

> > am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to depature

and

> > have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will

have

> my

> > marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number 1

> and I

> > am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this program?

> >

> > Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test

> positive

> > I know of the common things, I have been on all of the websites

> about

> > ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a test

> of

> > 700 or higher

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I am also in Diversion; am an RN in northern CA (Sacto area). Where are you located? What is your DEC #? Mine is DEC 12. I have had a total of 6 + EtG's, 260-960, unknown as to why, & they were clustered together between end of 4/05 & early 9/05 with negatives interspersed. My date was also changed. I am really sorry to hear you are in this situation with the rest of us. Hang w/ us; we are a good group & will offer you much support & all the info we have. Feel free to email me @ my personal address, marshadienelt@.... If you are a Tylenol user, you might want to

rethink taking it. My personal opinion is that it had an effect on my + EtG's; I've had no more since I dc'd the Tylenol. Nobody knows for sure. THAT is the hardest part of all. Take care, Marsha jhartman32001 <jhartman32001@...> wrote: I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested positive for ETG 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in

my mouth. Now I am afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched and ate, and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the program had food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN license is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my sobriety date, I am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to depature and have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will have my marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number 1 and I am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this program?Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test positiveI know of the common things, I have been on all of the websites about ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a test of 700 or higher

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

[Guest guest]

Methylate-1. Also called methoxide. any derivative of methyl alcohol, as sodium methylate, CH3ONa. 2. any compound containing the methyl group. –verb (used with object) 3. (in a compound) to replace (one or more hydrogen atoms) with the methyl group. 4. to mix with methyl alcohol, as in the denaturation of ethyl alcohol.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=methylated & x=45 & y=16

Tylenol and many other drugs such as Motrin are methylated. Extensive research is not needed to explain how Tylenol may give a positive, for there is only two ways ethanol can be eliminated through this type of intake which are urine and sweat, over 98% is through the urine after polymorphism.

[Guest guest]

IP is ETOH ? Robin, I respect your posts. Do you have a source?

> > >

> > > I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested positive

> for

> > ETG

> > > 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in my mouth.

> Now

> > I am

> > > afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched

and

> > ate,

> > > and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the

> program

> > had

> > > food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN

> > license

> > > is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my sobriety

> > date, I

> > > am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to depature

> and

> > > have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will

> have

> > my

> > > marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number 1

> > and I

> > > am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this program?

> > >

> > > Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test

> > positive

> > > I know of the common things, I have been on all of the

websites

> > about

> > > ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a

test

> > of

> > > 700 or higher

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Does this include alleve too?"marcellus91872@..." <marcellus91872@...> wrote: Methylate-1. Also called methoxide. any derivative of methyl alcohol, as sodium methylate, CH3ONa. 2. any compound containing the methyl group. –verb (used with object) 3. (in a compound) to replace (one or more hydrogen atoms) with the methyl group. 4. to mix with methyl alcohol, as in the denaturation of ethyl alcohol. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=methylated & x=45 & y=16 Tylenol and many other drugs such as Motrin are methylated. Extensive research is not needed to explain how Tylenol may give a positive, for there is only two ways ethanol can be eliminated through this type of intake which are urine and sweat, over 98% is through the urine after polymorphism.

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[Guest guest]

Go figure. I have been using IP instead of aftershave or cologne to

close my pores after shaving. I haven't popped a positive with

it........yet. I haven't been positive since I stopped using

Tylenol. (crosses fingers) I have a pending result from last

Thursday. My last positive was a 260 on the third day of a fast and

no bathing other than the ocean. I was taking 1 gm. of Tylenol

nightly though. I have been living on unseasoned foods and almost no

hygiene products for over a year. I havent eaten any foods prepared

by others.My Wife thinks that I use the cleaning product exposues as

an excuse not to do any honeydoos. LOL.

All my life I never suffered an injustice and I truly thought I was

immune.......I am not.

> > > >

> > > > I am in the CA diversion program and recently tested

positive

> > for

> > > ETG

> > > > 730. I have been extremely careful of what went in my mouth.

> > Now

> > > I am

> > > > afraid to eat because I have gone over everything I touched

> and

> > > ate,

> > > > and I can't understand how I tested positive. I wish the

> > program

> > > had

> > > > food that we could order deemed safe. I don't know if my RN

> > > license

> > > > is worth it any more, The diversion made me change my

sobriety

> > > date, I

> > > > am unable to go on a trip to europe ( 4 days prior to

depature

> > and

> > > > have lost $5,000) that they ok'd, and I don't know if I will

> > have

> > > my

> > > > marriage after this. If my sobriety is supposed to be number

1

> > > and I

> > > > am supposed to take care of my self, what use is this

program?

> > > >

> > > > Does any body have a list of things that caused them to test

> > > positive

> > > > I know of the common things, I have been on all of the

> websites

> > > about

> > > > ETG I am wondering if using cleaning products would cause a

> test

> > > of

> > > > 700 or higher

> > > >

> > >

> >

>