Re: Re: Judge: Man is too short for prison (Dateline)

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May be Mr. Westerbeck should have thought about that jail and what will

happen to him before doing what he did.

Our size should not excuse us from the seeds we sew for ourselves.

Amy Dinofrio

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solitary confinment is not good for any person..he shouldnt go to jail because

he is a little person, cause they do kill child molestors in jail, if they dont

kill them, they beat the **** outta them..they wont make special accommodations

for ANYONE in jail, i know someone who is disabled who has been there many times

and they treat u just like everyone else, no special needs person gets special

treatment..

jayme

a <quartznh@...> wrote:

He is NOT too short to go to prison! He could be held is Solitaire

confinement! As long as he has accommodations met, if needed, there

are no reasons why he should not serve his time JUST LIKE EVERYONE

ELSE!!!

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Jayme --

If I may, the whole point of fighting for equality is having the

responsibility for everything and not just taking advantage of the good parts. I

wouldn't

care if this person was 3-1 rather than 5-1. He did a crime, he needs to pay

for it. Do I care that child molesters are subject to gross abuses in prison?

This bleeding heart liberal says " Nope. " Is this hypocritical? Oh yes. But as a

mental health counselor, I've had more than plenty of experience in dealing

with the victims and that's who I side with.

Is this someone we as a group would embrace and say " Whoo hoo! Look! Another

LP in the news! " ? Probably not. But the fact that others are getting upset

with this sentence (it's a huge discussion on the AOL boards complete with the M

word and everything. Ah, progress.) just means that people are beginning to

judge us as people. I think this is a good thing.

Rose

writing as list member

In a message dated 5/26/2006 1:34:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tiggerlicious1969@... writes:

they dont protect ANYONE in jail..child molesters especially because thats a

hateful crime..the confinement may help though, after thinking that through,

they could have done that..they may have felt sorry for him because he is a

little person..either that or they just didnt want him in there because they

know he would get seriously hurt and if he did, then it would be on the

jail/prison, not the individual who hurt him..

jayme

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This was a sicking story. I almost find it impossible to believe. I would never

believe that any judge anywhere esp if im correct a female judge would pass down

such a lame sentence. If it was my child the abuse he recieved in jail would be

equal to the abuse he would recieve just tryin to live in the regular world cuz

iwould have everyone i know lookin for him. No one has the right to abuse a

child. And if you do and somehow manage not to catch a bullet, regardless of who

or what you are...you should serve your time and be someones plaything in jail.

That judge should be fired how you going to let someone return to their normal

life after permantely scarring a child?

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in jail and prison they do NOT give ANYONE special treatment, nor do they

provide any special accommodations, PERIOD!i know this because of a person that

is disabled, cannot walk very good, he asked them to please wheel him into the

showers, they wouldnt do that, they wouldnt let him shower alone..he was getting

pestered by every inmate, they did NOTHING for him...i tell ya, you guys just

dont know what goes on inside..they dont sugar coat anything and they will not

treat u like kings or queens inside..NO ONE gets special anything on the inside,

they treat you like everyone else, which is like crap..no, sexual molestion is

not right, but ur saying that they can give the person this and that while

inside, they probably could, but wont..

jayme

a <quartznh@...> wrote:

Solitary confinement is not good for any person, but sexually

molesting a child is?

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they dont protect ANYONE in jail..child molesters especially because thats a

hateful crime..the confinement may help though, after thinking that through,

they could have done that..they may have felt sorry for him because he is a

little person..either that or they just didnt want him in there because they

know he would get seriously hurt and if he did, then it would be on the

jail/prison, not the individual who hurt him..

jayme

a <quartznh@...> wrote: Let me try to explain something to you in a

way you may understand!

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This is a particular topic that burns me up~ it takes more $$ to keep a prisoner

in jail for one year than it would to send him to HARVARD!!

I think the latest quote was something like 36 thousand per student per year,

and it we spend 39 thousand per prisoner per year! (This is in a state facility)

I learned about this several years ago, in college, in a Criminal Justice class.

I was amazed.

Also~ it changed my view of the death penalty. By the time the prisoner runs

through all of his appeals~ which they HAVE to do, by law~ it can run into the

MILLIONS~ it is actually cheaper to hold them on death row indefinitely.

And so, I would love to see, some of that tax $$ actually go to the schools,

because I think if we spent the money on them as children, we would end up

saving the money in the end~ give some of these children a chance in life, so

they don't have to turn to crime. We are going to have to support them, one way

or another!

And that's my rant for the day~

Patty

Re: Re: Judge: Man is too short for prison (Dateline)

in jail and prison they do NOT give ANYONE special treatment, nor do they

provide any special accommodations, PERIOD!i know this because of a person that

is disabled, cannot walk very good, he asked them to please wheel him into the

showers, they wouldnt do that, they wouldnt let him shower alone..he was getting

pestered by every inmate, they did NOTHING for him...i tell ya, you guys just

dont know what goes on inside..they dont sugar coat anything and they will not

treat u like kings or queens inside..NO ONE gets special anything on the inside,

they treat you like everyone else, which is like crap..no, sexual molestion is

not right, but ur saying that they can give the person this and that while

inside, they probably could, but wont..

jayme

a <quartznh@...> wrote:

Solitary confinement is not good for any person, but sexually

molesting a child is?

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On 5/26/06, a <quartznh@...> wrote:

>

>

> I wrote to the governor of Nebraska and to the judge directly. I

> explained what the Americans with Disabilities Act is about and what

> it is designed to do. Plus I explained that being short is NOT a

> disability.

Uh, a, dwarfism IS a disability covered by ADA. I'm not disagreeing

with the rest of your post (I personally, as a parent and grandparent thinks

this sicko should be hung by his private parts until they fall off), but

don't make the assumption that profound short stature is not a disability.

I can't use an ATM machine, a phone booth, get in a car or on a bus, or even

use a men's urinal without some sort of accommodation. So, I think being

short qualifies as a disability. If the guy in question is able-bodied and

5'1 " without a medically diagnosed form of dwarfism, then I would agree he

is not disabled.

Barty summed it up best when he said " Are dwarfs disabled? Have you

tried using a 17-inch high toilet with a 13-inch inseam? "

Bill

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" There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going

all the way, and not starting. "

(Buddha)

" You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "

( 8:32)

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if the man cannot reach counters or use a car, or anything else without help or

a device, then yes, he is disabled in my opinion..

jayme

a <quartznh@...> wrote: yes dwarfism is a disability according to the

ADA and other needed

areas. However, this man is 5'1 and does not have any disabilities

according to any of the articles.

The only thing that has been stated is the fact that he is short.

Not that he has dwarfism. Of course the media over-looks certian

factors. however, I dont feel he has dwarfism. I know a few people

who are shorter than he is but yet does not have dwarfism. Besides,

being short or having dwarfism is still not part of the whole

situation as you know.

a

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As you are a mental health counselor, and have seen the scars left by abuse, I

ask you the question that has always bothered me. As studies show that the

majority of child molesters were molested when they were children, when does a

victim cease to be a victim - once he victimizes another? Believe me, I am not

advocating for molesters rights, far from it. I have worked with several folks

over the years who have some level of mental retardation and who are also

convicted offenders - I have witnessed staff members refusing to work with these

individuals because of the sexual offenses they have committed. As a social

worker, I must provide the same level of care to each person in our system,

whether I find them offensive or not. This is when I have to ask myself the

question about " when does one stop being a victim " . Just a thought, and please

everyone, do not respond thinking that I do not hold everyone responsible for

their actions - I do. This is just meant as a

thought provoking discussion. All the best - Brad

RMBJustice@... wrote:

Jayme --

If I may, the whole point of fighting for equality is having the

responsibility for everything and not just taking advantage of the good parts. I

wouldn't

care if this person was 3-1 rather than 5-1. He did a crime, he needs to pay

for it. Do I care that child molesters are subject to gross abuses in prison?

This bleeding heart liberal says " Nope. " Is this hypocritical? Oh yes. But as a

mental health counselor, I've had more than plenty of experience in dealing

with the victims and that's who I side with.