Allergy Testing

[Guest guest]

I have found allergy testing to be useful, and we have pinpointed a few food

allergies that my 2 children have. However through lots of trial and error, I

have discovered that my children are intolerant to pesticides, GMO foods, and

other unnatural things that are in the foods. For example, soy and corn don't

come up on the tests as an allergy, but my kids are both cleary intolerant to

them. However, when we visit my husbands relatives in the middle of Mexico and

eat the home-grown corn there, my kids don't have a problem with it. I don't

think there has been much discussion regarding this in the group (?), but it

could explain why our kids allergy tests come up negative when we know they

react to certain foods.

I follow Dr. G's guidlines, but I also need to eliminate foods high in

pesticides because my kids clearly cannot tolerate them.

 

My personal experience,

Carol

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 4:34 AM

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/immune-function/allergix-igg4-food-\

antibodies-90

From: lbharris@...

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:28:52 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

   

     

     

      These tests should also be available through any local lab such as Quest

that does blood work.

Here in Canada we do not need any specialty lab to do these typical and

standard tests.

Lori

_____ 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

agirlnamedsuess21

Sent: June-21-10 9:37 PM

Subject: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Mellisa & Lori,

 Thanks for all the info on this topic. You both seem very well educated.

My wife and I on the other hand are at some what of a loss. We think we want to

have our son tested for Intolerance's using the IgG4 test. Does this seem like

an ok first step after getting negative results with the IgE skin prick test? If

so, how would someone go about getting these tests done?

 Is Belgium the only place to do it?

We have so many questions,we don't know where to begin.

Please help if you have any of these answers.

Sincerely,

Inessa &

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

hi Lori

i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit

the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2

to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to  the new ones there should be a

reduction over a period of time.

From: lbharris@...

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

   

     

     

      Hi Kathy,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  If the testing is done through blood

serum why would it not be reliable?

I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

response, thus the skin welt or reaction.  However, if the immune system is

not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine.  Somehow, I

always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

now, again, still, for my son.

Many thanks in advance,

Lori

_____ 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

JOSKAT95@...

Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

dysfunctional immune systems.

on

Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

This is a quote I pulled out of a discussion after the XMRV announcement

regarding TH1 and TH2. It explain the Rnase factor as well.

It is attached

Bill

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:05 PM

hi Lori

i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit

the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2

to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to  the new ones there should be a

reduction over a period of time.

From: lbharris@...

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

   

     

     

      Hi Kathy,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  If the testing is done through blood

serum why would it not be reliable?

I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

response, thus the skin welt or reaction.  However, if the immune system is

not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine.  Somehow, I

always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

now, again, still, for my son.

Many thanks in advance,

Lori

_____ 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

JOSKAT95@...

Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

dysfunctional immune systems.

on

Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

hi Billthankspart of testing with De Mierlier was for the xmrv i was positive

and awaiting results for my son. like i said before there is probably plenty of

different medical approaches to intolerances etc, below is just the the

explanation i got. De Meirlier also tested iga/igm for different virus and

bacteria, like the hhv6 and 7 to name a few, i came up negative for those two

mentioned, but positive for a lot of others, so it will be interesting to see

what results my son has

also my stool sample showed ZERO ecoli, which is a mechanic in the metabolic

process of making sereotin. so as you can see there are lots of factors involved

and complicated, but the IGG4 foods are definitely part of the equation. but a

necessary part.

like is said different health care professionals will offer different advice

depending on their point of view of treatment.

Prof De Meirlier is and expert in CFS immune dysfunction and has done alot of

research in this area, but this is HIS way of treatment, and so far i have had

huge improvements and my son on his basic protocol is making mega improvements.

thanks for the read very interesting

From: klimas_bill@...

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:39:44 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

This is a quote I pulled out of a discussion after the XMRV announcement

regarding TH1 and TH2. It explain the Rnase factor as well.

It is attached

Bill

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:05 PM

hi Lori

i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit

the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2

to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a

reduction over a period of time.

From: lbharris@...

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

Hi Kathy,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood

serum why would it not be reliable?

I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is

not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I

always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

now, again, still, for my son.

Many thanks in advance,

Lori

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

JOSKAT95@...

Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

dysfunctional immune systems.

on

Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

$135 last summer

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

hi Lori

i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit

the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2

to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a

reduction over a period of time.

From: lbharris@...

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

Hi Kathy,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood

serum why would it not be reliable?

I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is

not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I

always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

now, again, still, for my son.

Many thanks in advance,

Lori

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

JOSKAT95@...

Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

dysfunctional immune systems.

on

Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Bill - I was curious about what you had attached?  It didn't come over ...

would you send it to me?  

Thanks,

________________________________

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 8:39:44 AM

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

This is a quote I pulled out of a discussion after the XMRV announcement

regarding TH1 and TH2. It explain the Rnase factor as well.

It is attached

Bill

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:05 PM

hi Lori

i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit

the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2

to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to  the new ones there should be

a reduction over a period of time.

From: lbharris@...

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

   

     

     

      Hi Kathy,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  If the testing is done through blood

serum why would it not be reliable?

I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

response, thus the skin welt or reaction.  However, if the immune system is

not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine.  Somehow, I

always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

now, again, still, for my son.

Many thanks in advance,

Lori

_____ 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

JOSKAT95@...

Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

dysfunctional immune systems.

on

Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am

confused by a few things.  One why is everyone so hung up on testing for

allergies?  I have had my daughter tested several times, by several

Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to

anything.  The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is

reacting to something.  They have all said, " Your child does not have immune

dysfunction. "   Seriously?  I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly

does.  That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. 

She is not allergic she is " sensitive. "   You can do all the testing in the

world and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact  that a child

who tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food

triggers, or chemical triggers.  I have removed many offending foods from my

child's diet that I have tested by removing and then

adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors.  It was

a difficult process but it has worked for us.  The result is a much higher

functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be

around.  I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my

child.  But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge

improvement in all areas.  I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet

is difficult.  My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy

lecithin), preservative free and dye free.  When people ask me what I feed her

I tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. 

No junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no

longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to

speak at 9 years of age. 

The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1  why

can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? 

My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning

products.  I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food

products but highly effective cleaners. 

On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective

for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA

approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm,

can cause liver toxicity in some people.  Why wouldn't the same be true for

supplements?  

Sheri

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

nids

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

hi Lori

i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit

the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2

to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to  the new ones there should be

a reduction over a period of time.

From: lbharris@...

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

   

     

     

      Hi Kathy,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  If the testing is done through blood

serum why would it not be reliable?

I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

response, thus the skin welt or reaction.  However, if the immune system is

not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine.  Somehow, I

always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

now, again, still, for my son.

Many thanks in advance,

Lori

_____ 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

JOSKAT95@...

Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

dysfunctional immune systems.

on

Re: ALLERGY TESTING

There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

were 'NEGATIVE'.

> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> THANK YOU,

>

> Inessa &

>

[Guest guest]

You are so right. It is so frustrating to me that more doctors don't know more

about thus. It's a super long story, but we were literally losing my baby girl

due to food intolerances. As shocking as UT sounds, I took her to 17 different

doctors in two states. They either could not help, or even made things worse!

Two well known pediatric GI specialists were " killing " her. It was horrific.

Kristy

" Sheri Brown " <eszbibb@...> wrote:

>I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am

confused by a few things.  One why is everyone so hung up on testing for

allergies?  I have had my daughter tested several times, by several

Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to

anything.  The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is

reacting to something.  They have all said, " Your child does not have immune

dysfunction. "   Seriously?  I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly

does.  That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. 

She is not allergic she is " sensitive. "   You can do all the testing in the

world and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact  that a child

who tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food

triggers, or chemical triggers.  I have removed many offending foods from my

child's diet that I have tested by removing and then

> adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors.  It

was a difficult process but it has worked for us.  The result is a much higher

functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be

around.  I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my

child.  But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge

improvement in all areas.  I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet

is difficult.  My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy

lecithin), preservative free and dye free.  When people ask me what I feed her

I tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. 

No junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no

longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to

speak at 9 years of age. 

>The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1  why

can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? 

My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning

products.  I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food

products but highly effective cleaners. 

>On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective

for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA

approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm,

can cause liver toxicity in some people.  Why wouldn't the same be true for

supplements?  

>Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

>

>Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>nids

>

>Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

>

>

>

>hi Lori

>

>i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

>

>ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

>

>IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

>

>IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

>

>Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

>

>we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

>

>also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it

hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take

2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to  the new ones there should be

a reduction over a period of time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>From: lbharris@...

>

>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

>

>Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

> 

>

>

>

>   

>

>     

>

>     

>

>      Hi Kathy,

>

>

>

>Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  If the testing is done through blood

>

>

>

>serum why would it not be reliable?

>

>

>

>I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

>

>

>

>immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

>

>

>

>response, thus the skin welt or reaction.  However, if the immune system is

>

>

>

>not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine.  Somehow, I

>

>

>

>always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

>

>

>

>All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

>

>

>

>through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

>

>

>

>reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

>

>

>

>etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

>

>

>

>I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

>

>

>

>now, again, still, for my son.

>

>

>

>Many thanks in advance,

>

>

>

>Lori

>

>

>

>_____ 

>

>

>

>From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

>

>

>

>JOSKAT95@...

>

>

>

>Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

>

>

>

>dysfunctional immune systems.

>

>

>

> on

>

>

>

> Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

>

>

>

>You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

>

>

>

>were 'NEGATIVE'.

>

>

>

>> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

>

>

>

>testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> THANK YOU,

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Inessa &

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi

i don't know about what the general thought is in the states, but here in oz, i

took my son to a gastro specialist, we did the IGE skin prick test, which showed

nothing, i showed her the 140 food group IgG4 panel, which shows intolerances,

she told me it was a waste of time and that IgG4s were not a proven or

recognised thing blah blah blah blah, and neither was fructose malasorption, yet

since being of all these relevant foods my son and myself have made huge

progess, i now see a cfs specialist and another dr from beligum who researches

and specialises in cfs and that is the first thing they test is the IGGs and for

fructose and lactose malasoprtion.

i think that the anything new and out of the ordinary, normal western medical

science does not want to take it on or it takes a very long time for it to

filter thru, as things have to be SCIENCTIFICALLY PROVEN etc etc

From: knardini@...

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:09:50 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

You are so right. It is so frustrating to me that more doctors don't know

more about thus. It's a super long story, but we were literally losing my baby

girl due to food intolerances. As shocking as UT sounds, I took her to 17

different doctors in two states. They either could not help, or even made things

worse! Two well known pediatric GI specialists were " killing " her. It was

horrific.

Kristy

" Sheri Brown " <eszbibb@...> wrote:

>I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am

confused by a few things. One why is everyone so hung up on testing for

allergies? I have had my daughter tested several times, by several

Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to

anything. The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is

reacting to something. They have all said, " Your child does not have immune

dysfunction. " Seriously? I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly

does. That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods.

She is not allergic she is " sensitive. " You can do all the testing in the world

and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact that a child who

tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food triggers,

or chemical triggers. I have removed many offending foods from my child's diet

that I have tested by removing and then

> adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors. It was

a difficult process but it has worked for us. The result is a much higher

functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be around.

I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my child. But

removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge improvement in all

areas. I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet is difficult. My

daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy lecithin),

preservative free and dye free. When people ask me what I feed her I tell them,

real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. No junk, no

fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no longer hurts

her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to speak at 9

years of age.

>The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1 why

can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted?

My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning

products. I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food

products but highly effective cleaners.

>On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective

for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA

approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm,

can cause liver toxicity in some people. Why wouldn't the same be true for

supplements?

>Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

>

>Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>nids

>

>Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

>

>

>

>hi Lori

>

>i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

>

>ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

>

>IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

>

>IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

>

>Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

>

>we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

>

>also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it

hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take

2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a

reduction over a period of time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>From: lbharris@...

>

>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

>

>Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

>

>

>Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood

>

>

>

>serum why would it not be reliable?

>

>

>

>I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

>

>

>

>immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

>

>

>

>response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is

>

>

>

>not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I

>

>

>

>always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

>

>

>

>All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

>

>

>

>through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

>

>

>

>reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

>

>

>

>etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

>

>

>

>I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

>

>

>

>now, again, still, for my son.

>

>

>

>Many thanks in advance,

>

>

>

>Lori

>

>

>

>_____

>

>

>

>From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

>

>

>

>JOSKAT95@...

>

>

>

>Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

>

>

>

>dysfunctional immune systems.

>

>

>

> on

>

>

>

> Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

>

>

>

>You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

>

>

>

>were 'NEGATIVE'.

>

>

>

>> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

>

>

>

>testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> THANK YOU,

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Inessa &

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well it hasn't been scientifically proven that autism *is* a psychiatric

disorder either.  The ASA just said hey we need to expand the criteria because

there are a lot of kids with just some of this.  Where are the studies that say

that this inclusion was the same?

________________________________

From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

nids

Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 4:51:57 PM

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

hi

i don't know about what the general thought is in the states, but here in oz, i

took my son to a gastro specialist, we did the IGE skin prick test, which showed

nothing, i showed her the 140 food group IgG4 panel, which shows intolerances,

she told me it was a waste of time and that IgG4s were  not a proven or

recognised thing blah blah blah blah, and neither was fructose malasorption, yet

since being of all these relevant foods my son and myself have made huge

progess, i now see a cfs specialist and another dr from beligum who researches

and specialises in cfs and that is the first thing they test is the IGGs and for

fructose and lactose malasoprtion.

i think that the anything new and out of the ordinary, normal western medical

science does not want to take it on or it takes a very long time for it to

filter thru, as things have to be SCIENCTIFICALLY PROVEN etc etc

From: knardini@...

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:09:50 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

 

   

     

     

      You are so right. It is so frustrating to me that more doctors don't know

more about thus. It's a super long story, but we were literally losing my baby

girl due to food intolerances. As shocking as UT sounds, I took her to 17

different doctors in two states. They either could not help, or even made things

worse! Two well known pediatric GI specialists were " killing " her. It was

horrific.

Kristy

" Sheri Brown " <eszbibb@...> wrote:

>I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am

confused by a few things.  One why is everyone so hung up on testing for

allergies?  I have had my daughter tested several times, by several

Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to

anything.  The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is

reacting to something.  They have all said, " Your child does not have immune

dysfunction. "   Seriously?  I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly

does.  That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. 

She is not allergic she is " sensitive. "   You can do all the testing in the world

and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact  that a child who

tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food triggers,

or chemical triggers.  I have removed many offending foods from my child's diet

that I have tested by removing and then

> adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors.  It was

a difficult process but it has worked for us.  The result is a much higher

functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be

around.  I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my

child.  But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge

improvement in all areas.  I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet

is difficult.  My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy

lecithin), preservative free and dye free.  When people ask me what I feed her I

tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit.  No

junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no

longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to

speak at 9 years of age. 

>The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1  why

can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? 

My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning

products.  I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food

products but highly effective cleaners. 

>On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective

for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA

approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm,

can cause liver toxicity in some people.  Why wouldn't the same be true for

supplements? 

>Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>From: Mel J <mel.j@...>

>

>Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>nids

>

>Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

>

>

>

>hi Lori

>

>i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable

>

>ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional

>

>IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system

to certain foods etc

>

>IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours

for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in

a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like

asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often

associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to

those foods.

>

>Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood

antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when

the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over

drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc,

because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to

the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these

foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no

defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my

th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system

panel tests.

>

>we are awaiting results from belgium for my son.

>

>also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it

hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take

2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you

test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have

antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to

reset. but if you compare the initial results to  the new ones there should be a

reduction over a period of time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>From: lbharris@...

>

>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400

>

>Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

> 

>

>

>

>   

>

>     

>

>     

>

>      Hi Kathy,

>

>

>

>Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  If the testing is done through blood

>

>

>

>serum why would it not be reliable?

>

>

>

>I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an

>

>

>

>immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine

>

>

>

>response, thus the skin welt or reaction.  However, if the immune system is

>

>

>

>not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine.  Somehow, I

>

>

>

>always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie???

>

>

>

>All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected

>

>

>

>through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her

>

>

>

>reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema,

>

>

>

>etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour?

>

>

>

>I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right

>

>

>

>now, again, still, for my son.

>

>

>

>Many thanks in advance,

>

>

>

>Lori

>

>

>

>_____ 

>

>

>

>From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

>

>

>

>JOSKAT95@...

>

>

>

>Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with

>

>

>

>dysfunctional immune systems.

>

>

>

> on

>

>

>

> Re: ALLERGY TESTING

>

>

>

>There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA.

>

>

>

>You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results

>

>

>

>were 'NEGATIVE'.

>

>

>

>> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE'

>

>

>

>testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?).

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> THANK YOU,

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Inessa &

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>