Re: hassels with the FDA?

May 19, 2003

Thank you for letting everyone know of this problem. This is what I've been trying to clarify w/the QX. advertises that you can just get certified and do this but it's not that simple. If you don't have some kind of medical degree, you are in a gray territory and are definitely vulnerable. They don't admit this because it would decrease their sales. The only way you can really safely do this is in conjunction with a naturopathy, M.D., physical therapist, etc. Even naturopaths have had problems w/the FDA, though. Good fortune for your friend. Hope she comes out ok. I have seriously considered doing exactly what you are doing and have hesitated precisely for this reason. People have to knwo this.

From: " Schneider"

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Subject: hassels with the FDA? Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700

Hello All, I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels with the FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the threat of an FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and equipment? Yes, I am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback device. Any new ideas? Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took only one file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think about anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW, what would I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas? thanks, vee

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May 19, 2003

Hi! Is hard to help some,because i do not know if You have any

license on any proffesion? QXCI able to use by lot,s of pro people

from hair design to beutyshops/whatis probably easiest to get

license.QXCI has face program so fotos able to design hair. But more

serius. first have to looking up your state secretary web for your

owne state regulations for using qxci.After make ahead Questions For

$100/hour lawyer,and make appointment or faxing advance your specific

questions.Before all these looking up Hulda clark web,or dr

mercola/have qxci hade been article here in these group not long

ago.I do not know what You are doing,I will put safe place the

box./is small. You can use subspace.Here in Usa a Dr can and have

been persecuted even if they healed they owne cancer.Dr

kelley/because was just a dentist in Texas and He healed His owne

pancreatic cancer.Look up Your files,even You have to have one?/as

witness material?/QXCI cd able to put up 3 PC. No " legal " school for

natural medinine in USA/far as I know,maybe for ND .You need to check

your state ,even county. You need to taking classes. if you do not

have to get legal license ,and open up business.you can not operate

withouth business license. You can have so much opportonuty. I did

put up some here before.The most wierd was I see 3 days ago over PC

sombody able to become a dentist by corresponding over PC and from CD-

s.But lot,s of assistant nurse. can be nutritionist and got license &

insurance. Other choices to move to CA,or ontario canada,where the

law is the best. Very important to be able to learn what sombody

able to say people. For me is new even unable to saying anecdotas to

other people or abouth other people.also to healing is not god words

any more.So have to check aut of Your rights,where You live,protect

You own qxci for Your use.Got lawyer for advise.design Your

future,maybe need to put on hold for QXCI/for busines licensing

& studies insurance for 1 million$ /only around$200/Be humble as a

dove and smart as a snake. in they eyes probably you do not have any

right. Write down on a paper what You going to do by point by

point.You do not tell them your rights!!You say less You better

of.Are You a student ?probably !who knows enouf?????/You can study

what You want!!!/you be humble as a dove and smart as a snake/keep in

Your mind!!!!Gyorgyi You dress symple ,look symple Do not tell

any names!Even if sombody giving Your's name/they able to saying

that/ I personally never know these happening in these free

country,before i comet here!I do not know Your circumtances but maybe

You able to taking Your yearly vacations now? for 2 weeks.Better to

be carful now ,then sorry layter.You can send to me privat mail as we

exchanged before gyorgyi

> Hello All,

> I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels

with the

> FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the

threat of an

> FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and

equipment? Yes, I

> am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback

device.

> Any new ideas?

> Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took

only one

> file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think

about

> anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW,

what would

> I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas?

> thanks,

> vee

May 20, 2003

Hi, this thread has become very interesting, but unclear... could the original poster please clarify exactly what kinds of devices that the practitioner experiencing hassles from the FDA was using, and what was the FCA investigating? Was it QX? Or was it a Rife? Was she claiming to diagnose or treat? Gage

hassels with the FDA? Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700

Hello All, I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels with the FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the threat of an FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and equipment? Yes, I am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback device. Any new ideas? Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took only one file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think about anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW, what would I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas? thanks, vee

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May 20, 2003

Hi ,

I would wonder if confiscating the file has more to do with " practicing

medicine without a license " than with having a QXCI device, or they would

have taken the device. To my knowledge, no person has had their QX

confiscated by the FDA, though people have been threatened, as have people

with rife devices and various bioenergetic devices. It is interesting to

note that in my state, Chiropractors are threatened by their own board for

" suggesting " nutrition products. Dentists are threatened by their own

board for using " biological dentistry " . MD's are threatened by their own

board for using " chelation " . I see these things changing, slowly. One

piece of advice: check out www.bolenreport.com; this guy is extremely

knowledgeable and helpful in terms of freedom of choice in alternative

medicine, especially relating to things which are not hurting anyone. I

would suggest contacting him. Hope this helps.

Siczkowycz, ND

>From: " Schneider " <victoriacare@...>

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><qxci-english >

>Subject: hassels with the FDA?

>Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700

>

>Hello All,

>I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels with the

>FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the threat of an

>FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and equipment? Yes, I

>am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback device.

>Any new ideas?

>Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took only one

>file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think about

>anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW, what

>would

>I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas?

>thanks,

>vee

>

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May 20, 2003

Regarding FDA Mickey Mousing: Please don't push on the Panik Button

I have myself been in the file if Health Canada for many years and it finished by a trial

The most difficult thing was to explain to them a couple of time per year. For seven years

That I understand that being put on this job was surely not a easy way to make a living for this inspectors

But for myself I used to tell them that I understand very well the sad job they had to do for their boss to get

a pay check .I was very sorry for them to be catch in this kind of destructive movement for the consciousness

of human race. Of course we all come on this plan to participate in the realisation of God plan and we have to be sorry for some people to put themselve in this destructive work for FDA target of protecting the pharmaceutical industry and the 8 billions of profit per year.

In regard of this if we get caucht by the fear : What will happen ............Money is a drug and there is a lot of addicted people

So,we have to unify all of our power as worker of light to put our force togethers and reverse with the Help of Spiritual Masters and

Lawyer this tendency of Human being to be attract by the bottom line of mediocrity and drugs and war.

I beliave that it is important to increase the number of QX owners and Rife machine as well to upgrade the level of conciousness

of the Human race to a level where all of this will appear as ridiculous as it is.

So,I would like to ask all of the Qx Practionnners in the world to make Meditation of group at 21:00 o'clork for 10 minutes

To ask for the Spiritual help for these people that has been hassel by FDA and Protection for all of us.To accomplish our mission

on earth in Peace and Harmony.

And for the person in trouble: Please contact Mr. in Budapest to report it.Personnaly. He has the knowlidge

to drive those files correctly.

Best Regard

Jean- Lavoie

hassels with the FDA? Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700

Hello All, I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels with the FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the threat of an FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and equipment? Yes, I am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback device. Any new ideas? Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took only one file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think about anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW, what would I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas? thanks, vee

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May 20, 2003

I am saying again go to Your local state goverment web looking

licenses for proffesionals .able to find listed schools You able to

find very-very chip nurse assistant for 340-500$ etc.but You know

what You able to do/I unable to be a nurse,doctor etc.but Qxci has

250 program You able to find somthing what suits You!!!Can be a

nutritionist ,Radiologist a perfect choices probably$4000 school ,but

pay as go starting solaries $65-75000/years.As I stated nothing

legal here except artifical doctors with artifical medicine.You can

be a dental care assistant ,doctor etc.$1900 You can be and study for

veteranian.If nothing medical staff fit You able to take college for

associate,s degree in phychology-athome.all thing is at home internet

or mail in classes.Wits these and a master in nutritions with an

early childhood educator .That is the future in USA with qxci. All

kids sick overweight,unbelanced.These colleges are affordable priced

you pay as go.You have to be creative.In Hungary these classes in

english with qxci maybe get some degree there.I think the limit is

the sky. gyorgyi again if You afraid relocate in CA. gb.

>

May 20, 2003

paul, Thank you very much for your uplifting thoughts and suggestions, I felt genuinely moved by them. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I believe it is very important for us at whatever level of personal belief or philosopy we have spiritually or living our daily lives, that we are aware to call in our higher power for protection and support. Any intention we send individually or collectively for the highest good, with purity of heart is extremely powerful. This is an incredible time to be on this planet, however we all have much more available to us for support, love and protection from the higher realms. To open to receive maximum help , we must ask for this directly in prayer or invocation. I am very grateful for all of us out there with this technology helping others to find healthy alternatives to support personal well-being. We are on the cutting edge and utilizing a tool that is the paradigm of future thinking. Cultivation of integrity and armed with knowledge and awareness we will prevail. To any person in this situation I offer to put them in my Maitreyan ( QX) prayer program freely. Please email me directly if you feel guided that this is appropriate.Warmest Regard,-----Original Message-----From: Lavoie [mailto:xierom@...]Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:19 AMqxci-english Subject: Re: hassels with the FDA?Regarding FDA Mickey Mousing: Please don't push on the Panik ButtonI have myself been in the file if Health Canada for many years and it finished by a trialThe most difficult thing was to explain to them a couple of time per year. For seven yearsThat I understand that being put on this job was surely not a easy way to make a living for this inspectorsBut for myself I used to tell them that I understand very well the sad job they had to do for their boss to get a pay check .I was very sorry for them to be catch in this kind of destructive movement for the consciousnessof human race. Of course we all come on this plan to participate in the realisation of God plan and we have to be sorry for some people to put themselve in this destructive work for FDA target of protecting the pharmaceutical industry and the 8 billions of profit per year. In regard of this if we get caucht by the fear : What will happen ............Money is a drug and there is a lot of addicted peopleSo,we have to unify all of our power as worker of light to put our force togethers and reverse with the Help of Spiritual Masters andLawyer this tendency of Human being to be attract by the bottom line of mediocrity and drugs and war.I beliave that it is important to increase the number of QX owners and Rife machine as well to upgrade the level of conciousnessof the Human race to a level where all of this will appear as ridiculous as it is.So,I would like to ask all of the Qx Practionnners in the world to make Meditation of group at 21:00 o'clork for 10 minutesTo ask for the Spiritual help for these people that has been hassel by FDA and Protection for all of us.To accomplish our missionon earth in Peace and Harmony. And for the person in trouble: Please contact Mr. in Budapest to report it.Personnaly. He has the knowlidgeto drive those files correctly.Best RegardJean- Lavoie hassels with the FDA? Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700 Hello All, I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels with the FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the threat of an FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and equipment? Yes, I am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback device. Any new ideas? Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took only one file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think about anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW, what would I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas? thanks, vee The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ............................................

May 20, 2003

This whole thing saying you don't "diagnose or treat" is bogus. I called my State Alternative Medicine Board and the lady told me it doesn't matter if you don't say it; if that's what you're doing, they'll bust you for it if you're not an M.D. or some license who has had *hands-on* (not an online degree) experience.

From: "G.T."

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Subject: Re: hassels with the FDA? Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:57:20 -0700

Hi, this thread has become very interesting, but unclear... could the original poster please clarify exactly what kinds of devices that the practitioner experiencing hassles from the FDA was using, and what was the FCA investigating? Was it QX? Or was it a Rife? Was she claiming to diagnose or treat? Gage hassels with the FDA? Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700 Hello All, I was wondering if any of you have have experience with hassels with the FDA? Does anybody have any great ideas on how to deal with the threat of an FDA raid when they can legally take any of your files and equipment? Yes, I am Biofeedback Certified, but the QXCI isn't truely a biofeedback device. Any new ideas? Recently a collegue was visited by the FDA agents and they took only one file. She is under investigation at the moment and can hardly think about anything else. This has really shaken me up and I'm thinking WoW, what would I do in her sholes?????? What can anybody do????? Ideas? thanks, vee

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May 21, 2003

My thoughts of this subject:

1. In the USA there is nothing that could isolate you from the FDA, because for the most part the FDA is a pimp for the traditional medical institutions and even more significantly, for the pharmaceutical industry. It does not matter what medical degree, you may possess, any practitioner using Alternative medicine is at risk.

2. You should know if your state is one of the freedom of choice states (Florida is one of 17). This allows a medical practitioner to recommend Alternative care without fear of traditional medical institutional reprisals.

3. Never, never use the "R" word (Rife) in advertising or in promoting your business as it is anathema to traditional Biochemical medicine, because this science works! There are still laws on the books outlawing Rife devices in some states, again because they work. I understand some of the earlier devices were quite powerful, treating all within the city block, (ok if they are all lawyers) and therefore more legitimate targets for the FDA "witch-hunters." Present day devices are much more sophisticated (and safe) using square wave technology and allowing easy application of specific symptom/illness therapies, which makes them even more of a threat to traditional medicine.

4. Always have your clients sign a well written disclaimer before you attempt therapy.

Barry at QWC

May 21, 2003

All this reminds me of the trouble the Scientologists had with their E-Meter(I know this is not EXACTLY the same). How they got away with it in the end was to declare it as a spiritual tool in their religion. This might work here. The Universal Life Church ordains without question. It may not be the "Professional" thing to do, but if pushed I think I'd play that card if needed. I don't know, just trying to think of something to help.

Amy

May 21, 2003

Barry, you should be aware that altho people sign such a disclaimer, and you should definetly insist that they do, it is not really protection in that legally a person cannot sign away his rights. However, with a well worded one, you can at least claim that you were very open and had no intention of .....

Berniequantumwellness@... wrote:

My thoughts of this subject: 1. In the USA there is nothing that could isolate you from the FDA, because for the most part the FDA is a pimp for the traditional medical institutions and even more significantly, for the pharmaceutical industry. It does not matter what medical degree, you may possess, any practitioner using Alternative medicine is at risk. 2. You should know if your state is one of the freedom of choice states (Florida is one of 17). This allows a medical practitioner to recommend Alternative care without fear of traditional medical institutional reprisals. 3. Never, never use the "R" word (Rife) in advertising or in promoting your business as it is anathema to traditional Biochemical medicine, because this science works! There are still laws on the books outlawing Rife devices in some states, again because they work. I understand some of the earlier devices were quite powerful, treating all within the city block, (ok if they are all lawyers) and therefore more legitimate targets for the FDA "witch-hunters." Present day devices are much more sophisticated (and safe) using square wave technology and allowing easy application of specific symptom/illness therapies, which makes them even more of a threat to traditional medicine. 4. Always have your clients sign a well written disclaimer before you attempt therapy. Barry at QWC ............................................

May 22, 2003

HeY! you put Your neck to the lion head!!!!!You do not get degree on

line just the school,after You need to go to making exam before

board.That also a PC. exam.But all state is different!!If You like I

can help You if stating what state You live.what things you like to

do!Concerning the programs in the QXCI!!!You need to work on around

somthing!!1For example if you like children then a early childhood

edications+ phychology as assistant in sci.Gb

>

May 22, 2003

-what states is the other 16? I tinket only Ca? i know peoples in FL

whom was persecuted!!!Where can find info?thanks gyorgyi-- In qxci-

english , quantumwellness@c... wrote:

> My thoughts of this subject:

> 1. In the USA there is nothing that could isolate you from the FDA,

because

> for the most part the FDA is a pimp for the traditional medical

institutions

> and even more significantly, for the pharmaceutical industry. It

does not matter

> what medical degree, you may possess, any practitioner using

Alternative

> medicine is at risk.

> 2. You should know if your state is one of the freedom of choice

states

> (Florida is one of 17). This allows a medical practitioner to

recommend

> Alternative care without fear of traditional medical institutional

reprisals.

> 3. Never, never use the " R " word (Rife) in advertising or in

promoting your

> business as it is anathema to traditional Biochemical medicine,

because this

> science works! There are still laws on the books outlawing Rife

devices in some

> states, again because they work. I understand some of the earlier

devices were

> quite powerful, treating all within the city block, (ok if they are

all

> lawyers) and therefore more legitimate targets for the FDA " witch-

hunters. " Present

> day devices are much more sophisticated (and safe) using square

wave

> technology and allowing easy application of specific

symptom/illness therapies, which

> makes them even more of a threat to traditional medicine.

> 4. Always have your clients sign a well written disclaimer before

you attempt

> therapy.

> Barry at QWC

May 24, 2003

In regards to the concerns that some practitioners have about the

FDA. It is important to know that everyone has their place because

we are all connected, no matter if we like it or not. Therefore, no

one is out to get anyone in the overall scheme of things. The fact

remains that we are all connected and will always be connected. The

QXCI practitioners who are experiencing investigation have their

place, the FDA has its place, and for example the man on death row

for killing ten people, yes, has his place.

When you judge and or condemn someone or something such as in

this case the FDA, you seperate yourself from them and they from

you. In this case for QXCI practitioners when you judge them you

give them power and you are then powerless. This is out of order,

therefore, you and they try to reconnect (the law of polarity and

consciousness is evoked which is opposites attract). This can be an

uncomfortable process if you are resistant to reconnecting with

them. If you seperate yourself from them and they from you, you and

they will sense fearful thoughts and feelings and act upon those

thoughts and feelings. This happens because you are resisting one

another's place and purpose in the world. I define control as

trying to keep one step ahead of another so the other won't catch up

to them, which results in battle fatique. This is a hell of a way to

live your life because you actully sense you have been in a war,

because you are resistant to reconnecting with who and what you have

been and always will be connected with eternally.

QXCI practitioners do not judge or condemn the FDA or they will

judge and/or condemn you (like draws like kind). Life would be very

boring if everyone was the same, the differences is what make life

exciting. I.E., the FDA is different from you as you are from them.

Revere that in them rather than judging or condeming them and don't

be too surprised that the thoughts, feelings and their actions so

called against you go away, because you are no longer seperating

yourself from them by judging them.

No matter what others think or don't think, feel or don't feel,

do or don't do. Remember, if you do judge them you will disconnect

from them in consciousness and you will draw them and create a

reality you do not want. You will be deludged with premonitional

thoughts about something that is going to happen to you or someone

that you know as a checkpoint for your fearful thoughts Rather,

return back to your center and allow the intuitive thoughts that can

only come from the heart tell you everything and everyone is

actually where they are meant to be and doing what they are meant to

be doing, no matter who, what or where they are. If it was mean't

to be any other way then that is the way it would be. Some may

disagree, which is fine. However, ask yourself this question.

Would you rather be right or would you rather have life? Everytime

you think you are right you will draw someone or something to you to

confirm you are wrong. You cannot have one without the other (the

law of duality). I am fully aware this is easier said than done.

However, think about it would you appreciate it any other way.

May 25, 2003

Which of the many "Rife" devices available are recomended?

May 25, 2003

Thanks for your concern, gyorgi. It's very sweet. I am considering some kind of nutritional license. I can't do anything right now, too much debt, but perhaps eventually. I just want people to be aware before they spend $13,000 the problems they may have because makes it sounds so easy and it gets your hopes up. Really, they're the ones who should present all of the potential sticky problems, but I doubt they every well because this would affect their profits. Beware those whose only concern is their own profit.

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