Re: Dave Stetzer's comments re. filters' performance

[Guest guest]

Hello Shivani,

I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

tested, that raising the number of capacitors

(filters) can cause unwanted resonances, by which other electrical equipment

can get damaged.

By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm (praxis

value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the 3rd

harmonic.

I have bought 2 Stetzer filters in the european design, and I am not

satisfied with them.

The contact pins, which are too thin for our european wall socket, do have

already black burn marks on them.

When one places these filters in a wall socket, they *hang*.

The housing is not safe; the connection of the two halves is too weak.

The connectors inside which connect through to the outside, are not safe.

Sure, the filters do filter a lot, according to the Stetzerizer meter, but I

cannot advice them to the public, because I find them not safe enough.

The american version may be all right, but the the european version (made in

China) is certainly not.

If a fire starts by them, all hell brakes loose.

So I am not misinformed.

I am for safety first.

I can also say a lot regarding your appraised Multidetektor II Profi, with

which people may *measure* things that do not exist and vice versa, but will

refrain so in order to avoid certain lawyers.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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Dave Stetzer's comments re. filters' performance

Dave Stetzer says " The filters do not cause harmonics in Europe any

more

than they would

here. The person is just misinformed. We are using them in Europe,

Russia, Kazakhstan, Korea, Singapore, UK, and Australia, all of which

are the 220 volt models, and all having the same positive results. "

[Guest guest]

charles

can you advise me on what to do i am running out of options, i live

inlondon and my skin burns on my face when near puters, fluorescent lights

and especially outside...

i have considerable skin damage from all this, i was wondering is there

any filters worth using for the uk..

best

peter

On Fri, 24 November, 2006 11:04 am, charles wrote:

> Hello Shivani,

>

>

> I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

> tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause unwanted

> resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged. By raising

> the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm (praxis value),

> the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the 3rd harmonic.

>

>

> I have bought 2 Stetzer filters in the european design, and I am not

> satisfied with them. The contact pins, which are too thin for our european

> wall socket, do have already black burn marks on them. When one places

> these filters in a wall socket, they *hang*. The housing is not safe; the

> connection of the two halves is too weak. The connectors inside which

> connect through to the outside, are not safe.

>

> Sure, the filters do filter a lot, according to the Stetzerizer meter,

> but I cannot advice them to the public, because I find them not safe

> enough. The american version may be all right, but the the european

> version (made in China) is certainly not.

> If a fire starts by them, all hell brakes loose.

>

>

> So I am not misinformed.

> I am for safety first.

>

>

> I can also say a lot regarding your appraised Multidetektor II Profi,

> with which people may *measure* things that do not exist and vice versa,

> but will refrain so in order to avoid certain lawyers.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus

>

>

>

>

> Dave Stetzer's comments re. filters' performance

>

>

>

>

> Dave Stetzer says " The filters do not cause harmonics in Europe any

> more than they would here. The person is just misinformed. We are using

them

> in Europe, Russia, Kazakhstan, Korea, Singapore, UK, and Australia, all of

> which are the 220 volt models, and all having the same positive results. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

" I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause unwanted

resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.

By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm (praxis

value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the 3rd

harmonic.

Shivani responds:

Is this last sentence from Bajog? You imply so, but do not actually

say so, so it's not clear.

Is this statement supposed to apply to using the Stetzer filters? It

isn't even possible to get 200 uF (microfareds) with the Stetzer filters.

The European model of the filters is 15 uF. No number of them will = 200 uF.

Please provide a copy of the Bajog report. If they, or anyone,

believe the filters are harmful, they should have contacted the CE people, who

certified the filters.

If anyone ever shows by genuine test any real problem with the Stetzer

products, Dave Stetzer should be notified immediately.

If people keep spreading false information about the filters, they may

soon be talking to a lawyer.

This is a serious offence.

wrote:

I have bought 2 Stetzer filters in the european design, and I am not

satisfied with them.

The contact pins, which are too thin for our european wall socket, do have

already black burn marks on them.

When one places these filters in a wall socket, they *hang*.

The housing is not safe; the connection of the two halves is too weak.

The connectors inside which connect through to the outside, are not safe.

Shivani replies:

You need to use the filters made for the country you want to use them

in. There are several 220 models, made for different countries. (Different

ones, for instance, for Russia, Kazakhstan, the UK, Korea, etc.) The pins

are the right sizes for the country they are designed for, and should not be

used elsewhere. This is common sense.

The European models of the Stetzer filters are all CE approved.

(Similar to UL listing in the US.) They could not be so listed if the pins

were

the wrong size, they were able to cause fires, etcetera.

Regards,

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

The Filters I bought, were specifically asked for use in the Netherlands and

Belgium.

I had to wait for several months before they came.

There is NO CE mark whatsoever.

The two housing halves are just clipped together.

With your hands, one can easily open the housings, without any tools.

Just with your fingers.

If these filters were CE approved, they should be marked so, which is NOT

the case.

So, I regard them as NOT CE approved, and therefore not suitable for the

mainland of Europe.

Seen the manco's, I cannot imagine that they are CE approved.

Be aware, I am not talking about the american version, because I do not know

these.

I only speak about the ones I ordered and paid for, for use in the Benelux.

I can also state, that the back has those 2 round thin contact pins.

But the front has 8 (eight) openings, among them typical english holes.

One filter has only the two round openings connected; the other one has also

the two flat english pins connected.

So, with one filter, one goes from 2 round pins to 2 round opening.

With the other, one goes from 2 round pins to 2 round pins and also 2 flat

english pins.

No grounding pins.

I still think that they are not safe according to our standards.

Selling them here is an offence in itsself.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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Re: Dave Stetzer's comments re. filters' performance

> wrote:

> " I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

> tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause unwanted

> resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.

> By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm

> (praxis

> value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the 3rd

> harmonic.

>

> Shivani responds:

> Is this last sentence from Bajog? You imply so, but do not actually

> say so, so it's not clear.

> Is this statement supposed to apply to using the Stetzer filters?

> It

> isn't even possible to get 200 uF (microfareds) with the Stetzer filters.

> The European model of the filters is 15 uF. No number of them will =

> 200 uF.

> Please provide a copy of the Bajog report. If they, or anyone,

> believe the filters are harmful, they should have contacted the CE people,

> who

> certified the filters.

> If anyone ever shows by genuine test any real problem with the Stetzer

> products, Dave Stetzer should be notified immediately.

> If people keep spreading false information about the filters, they may

> soon be talking to a lawyer.

> This is a serious offence.

>

> wrote:

> I have bought 2 Stetzer filters in the european design, and I am not

> satisfied with them.

> The contact pins, which are too thin for our european wall socket, do have

> already black burn marks on them.

> When one places these filters in a wall socket, they *hang*.

> The housing is not safe; the connection of the two halves is too weak.

> The connectors inside which connect through to the outside, are not safe.

>

> Shivani replies:

> You need to use the filters made for the country you want to use them

> in. There are several 220 models, made for different countries.

> (Different

> ones, for instance, for Russia, Kazakhstan, the UK, Korea, etc.) The

> pins

> are the right sizes for the country they are designed for, and should not

> be

> used elsewhere. This is common sense.

> The European models of the Stetzer filters are all CE approved.

> (Similar to UL listing in the US.) They could not be so listed if the

> pins were

> the wrong size, they were able to cause fires, etcetera.

>

> Regards,

> Shivani Arjuna

> www.LifeEnergies.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From whom did you purchase these filters, ? What identifying

information do they have on them?

The Stetzer filters have either the CE or the UL approval on them,

depending on which country they are for.

Please respond to the points I made and the questions I asked about your

previous remarks. See reminder below.

Regards,

Shivani

> wrote:

> " I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

> tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause unwanted

> resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.

> By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm

> (praxis

> value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the 3rd

> harmonic.

>

> Shivani responds:

> Is this last sentence from Bajog? You imply so, but do not actually

> say so, so it's not clear.

> Is this statement supposed to apply to using the Stetzer filters?

> It isn't even possible to get 200 uF (microfareds) with the Stetzer

filters.

> The European model of the filters is 15 uF. No number of them will =

> 200 uF.

> Please provide a copy of the Bajog report. If they, or anyone,

> believe the filters are harmful, they should have contacted the CE people,

> who certified the filters.

> If anyone ever shows by genuine test any real problem with the Stetzer

> products, Dave Stetzer should be notified immediately.

> If people keep spreading false information about the filters, they may

> soon be talking to a lawyer.

> This is a serious offence.

[Guest guest]

@ Shivani,

since Dave Stetzer did not respond to several of my mails regarding his

filters, I went to Lessemf.

They promply answered to me.

I then bought there the Stetzerizer meter and two filters.

The meter came prompt, but the filters came some months later.

They do not have a CE nor an UL marking on them.

On the front, there is a gliding cover (up and down) which only has three

logo's:

Stetzeriser ®

Graham Stetzer

Original

That is all.

And see my reminder also: The European versions are unsafe.

I find it typical, that especially you are threatening me. Dave Stetzer does

not take the trouble in answering himself.

It looks like that you have more at stake here, than Stetzer.

But I am not awaiting answers from you nor fom Stetzer anymore.

Be also aware, that being armed with an ia *screwdriver* and an

Electrosmog Detector, is no guarantee for being or posing as a building

biologist, nor for having measuring knowledge.

As I told you before, the claims you place on your website regarding the

*screwdriver* cannot be upheld; the fact that you continue to advertise as

such, proves that you do not know your stuff.

It is a nice gadget, but not a serious measuring instrument.

When LED's flicker, that does not mean, that they are telling the truth.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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Re: Dave Stetzer's comments re. filters' performance

> From whom did you purchase these filters, ? What identifying

> information do they have on them?

> The Stetzer filters have either the CE or the UL approval on them,

> depending on which country they are for.

> Please respond to the points I made and the questions I asked about

> your

> previous remarks. See reminder below.

> Regards,

> Shivani

>

> > wrote:

>> " I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

>> tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause

>> unwanted

>> resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.

>> By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm

>> (praxis

>> value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the 3rd

>> harmonic.

>>

>> Shivani responds:

>> Is this last sentence from Bajog? You imply so, but do not actually

>> say so, so it's not clear.

>> Is this statement supposed to apply to using the Stetzer filters?

>> It isn't even possible to get 200 uF (microfareds) with the Stetzer

> filters.

>> The European model of the filters is 15 uF. No number of them will =

>> 200 uF.

>> Please provide a copy of the Bajog report. If they, or anyone,

>> believe the filters are harmful, they should have contacted the CE

>> people,

>> who certified the filters.

>> If anyone ever shows by genuine test any real problem with the Stetzer

>> products, Dave Stetzer should be notified immediately.

>> If people keep spreading false information about the filters, they may

>> soon be talking to a lawyer.

>> This is a serious offence.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I feel no personal anomosity towards anyone in this group. However,

I will never remain quiet while people make false statements or accusations.

If ES people are to be helped, we must have accurate information.

wrote that he bought the filters he has from lessemf. He says that

he bought there

" the Stetzerizer meter and two filters.

The meter came prompt, but the filters came some months later.

They do not have a CE nor an UL marking on them.

On the front, there is a gliding cover (up and down) which only has three

logo's: Stetzeriser ®, Graham Stetzer, Original "

Shivani replies:

These are probably prototypes.

If they did not properly fit your receptacle properly, then it was not

wise to use them. It would have been good to contact Emil at lessemf right

away to discuss this, and get the right model for your outlets.

Also, just two filters cannot handle much electrical pollution. One

buys one or two filters just for experimental purposes. Using two filters to

try to filter the average building is misusing them.

also writes:

I find it typical, that especially you are threatening me. Dave Stetzer does

not take the trouble in answering himself.

It looks like that you have more at stake here, than Stetzer.

Shivani responds:

I have mentioned previously how overloaded Dave is. Today, for

instance, he is trying to reply to over 600 e-mails and finish a report, before

travelling out of the country. I have never met anyone who puts in longer

hours

or more days. He works 7 days a week almost all the time, with very little

sleep. In fact, he has been hospitalized twice when he collapsed from

exhaustion.

This is not a person who is " not taking the trouble to answer himself. "

Dave's life is utterrly devoted to making a difference in the electrical

pollution situation, to save lives. He simply cannot do any more than he

already is. This is why I have volunteered to address questions, etcetera,

regarding the filters that arise here.

If you make false statements about someone's products you are engaging

in harmful and threatening activity, and should not be surprised if eventually

you are taken to task.

also wrote:

Be also aware, that being armed with an ia *screwdriver* and an

Electrosmog Detector, is no guarantee for being or posing as a building

biologist, nor for having measuring knowledge.

Shivani replies:

You imply that I am posing as a building biologist. I clearly am not,

so why do you say this?

Regarding measuring knowledge, you and I disagree about what is

important. You are interested in reading field strengths very precisely. I

am

interested in identifying and protecting people from HARMFUL FREQUENCIES.

Unfortunately, many baubiologists assume that grounding everything as

much as possible will improve their clients' situations, when in fact this often

brings in more harmful frequencies. The public needs to be aware that

baubiologists in general misunderstand the cause of the harm.

also says:

As I told you before, the claims you place on your website regarding the

*screwdriver* cannot be upheld; the fact that you continue to advertise as

such, proves that you do not know your stuff.

It is a nice gadget, but not a serious measuring instrument.

When LED's flicker, that does not mean, that they are telling the truth.

Shivani responds:

The ia Multidedektor II Profi meter is very useful for identifying

electric fields of the high frequencies that are health-damaging. That it

is not able to report the field strength with great accuracy is not so

relevant. It would be nice to have that feature, but it's not worth the much

bigger

price., which most people cannot afford. The meter does enable users to

identify the health-damaging HIGH FREQUENCY ELECTRIC FIELDS in their personal

environment.

This meter has just gone out of production, however. We hope to

encourage a manufacturer to create something similar, with the low/high freq.

breaking point at the more useful frequency of 1.7 or 2 kHz, which is the point

at

which all the energy of the RF is absorbed internal to the body. (We have

good resistance to lower frequencies, such as 50 and 60 Hz, which do not create

ES symptoms.)

also writes now:

But I am not awaiting answers from you nor fom Stetzer anymore.

Shivani replies:

You cannot just drop out of the conversation you started, without

backing up your claims - unless you want to lose all credibility in this group.

You wrote:

" I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause

unwanted resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.

By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm

(praxis value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the

3rd

harmonic.

So I asked:

Is this last sentence from Bajog? You imply so, but do not actually say so,

so it's not clear.

Is this statement supposed to apply to using the Stetzer filters?

It isn't even possible to get 200 uF (microfareds) with the Stetzer filters.

The European model of the filters is 15 uF. No number of them will = 200 uF.

Please provide a copy of the Bajog report. If they, or anyone, believe

the filters are harmful, they should have contacted the CE people, who

certified the filters.

If anyone ever shows by genuine test any real problem with the Stetzer

products, Dave Stetzer should be notified immediately. If people keep spreading

false information about the filters, they may

soon be talking to a lawyer. This is a serious offence.

I ask once again for your response to the above questions. Whom are you

quoting? If Bajog did a study involving Stetzer filters, let's see it.

Regards,

Shivani

[Guest guest]

> You cannot just drop out of the conversation you started, without

> backing up your claims - unless you want to lose all credibility in this

group.

I think has already established credibility... you might get

the answers you're looking for if you'd stop threatening people

with lawsuits, which I think makes *you* lose credibility...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

I second what Marc has written. is in no danger of losing his

credibility with me if he refuses to get drawn into a pointless

argument, but I have, on the other hand, witnessed some less than

credible (written) behavior from a list member other than .

Marc, thank you for writing what you did.

with care,

--Vinny

At 09:34 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:

> > You cannot just drop out of the conversation you started, without

> > backing up your claims - unless you want to lose all credibility

> in this group.

>

>I think has already established credibility... you might get

>the answers you're looking for if you'd stop threatening people

>with lawsuits, which I think makes *you* lose credibility...

>

>Marc

>

Vinny Pinto

vinny@...

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

http://www.vinnypinto.us

[Guest guest]

Vinny wrote:

I second what Marc has written. is in no danger of losing his

credibility with me if he refuses to get drawn into a pointless

argument, but I have, on the other hand, witnessed some less than

credible (written) behavior from a list member other than .

Marc, thank you for writing what you did.

Shivani responds:

A conversation to clarify whether or not a lab has actually tested the

stetzer filters and stated that they create harmful frequencies is hardly a

" pointless argument. "

Again, if Vinny believes that anything that I have written is not

credible, then he is welcome to come out and state just what it is that he did

not

find credible. He also said he doubted my veracity, which is a roundabout way

of saying that he thinks I lied. But he has not said what he thinks I lied

about.

To accuse me of presenting false information, and of lying, but not

being specific so that I can respond, is just stabbing in the back. Are we

here

to have a useful conversation leading to all of us having the best

information possible about issues of common concern, or what?

Regards,

Shivani

[Guest guest]

Marc wrote:

" I think has already established credibility... You might get

the answers you're looking for if you'd stop threatening people

with lawsuits, which I think makes *you* lose credibility. "

Shivani responds:

has been posting here for a long time, yes. And he usually

has good information, yes.

However, if he posts something that defames a product, he needs to offer

substantiation. To spread false information about a product that causes

uninformed people to have a negative view of that product is not only unethical,

it

certainly IS a legal matter.

Dave's first reaction to what said was very laid back. He

thought was just some misinformed person. However, as the conversation

has developed, it appears that has an agenda, as he has not reacted in

a logical and reasonable way. If this were your product being falsely

maligned, Marc, I am rather sure you would see this in a very different light.

A

court would.

By the way, I am not about to sue anybody. It's not my product being

maligned. I am the messenger here. Being shot at plenty.

What said was:

" I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have calculated and

tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause

unwanted resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get damaged.

By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm

(praxis value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz, which is the

3rd

harmonic. "

He implies that this is somehow relevant to the Stetzer filters, but so

far has not answered any of my questions about it. If Bajog in fact did a

study on the Stetzer filters, let's see it. WHAT did Bajog test? Stetzer

filters, or something else?

As I pointed out before, there is no number of Stetzer filters the lab

or anyone else could use that would = 200uF and cause resonance.

As more people have found out about how damaging electrical pollution

is, and how much the Stetzer filters can help, the electric utilities and their

bosom buddies in governmental agencies are taking action to purposefully

misinform the public regarding the filters. The recent publication by Health

Canada is one of these projects. (By the way, since we have posted Dr. Havas'

comments of rebuttal, the Health Canada publication is now unavailable at their

Web site. They claim it is a technological problem.) Dave Stetzer and Dr.

Graham are presently looking into suing them for publishing this false

information about the filters. Dave and Marty would rather spend their time

working on new ways to help people, but are forced into this in order to

protect their name and their product.

It is the same here. If this is a simple misunderstanding, why didn't

just answer the questions that I asked? Instead, he just goes on

and on badmouthing the Stetzer filters.

Another group that continues to make inaccurate remarks about the

Stetzer filters is baubiologists. Dave Stetzer and Dr. Graham have tried and

tried to educate baubiologists regarding the importance of FREQUENCY over

magnetic

field strength, and to explain to them why their " body voltage " methodology

is unsound. But the baubiologists, as a group, for some reason believe they

understand electricity better than they actually do, and they continue to make

harmful statements about the filters.

(A Canadian baubiologist previously claimed that a reputable lab in

Texas had done a test of the Stetzer filters that showed that are a fire hazard.

When Dave asked for a copy, the fellow said " Oh, I was drunk when I said

that. There wasn't actually any study. " )

Whether ' motivation is related to his being part of this group

(baubiology), we do not know. I hope not.

Personally, I am surprised., as I have had good personal e-conversations

with in the past, and had the feeling that his motivations were good.

I repeat again that I have no personal animosity towards anyone on this

list, but I will not remain silent in the face of misinformation being spread

about the Stetzer products.

At any rate, I once again request that clarify his remarks about

whatever it is that Bajog has studied and published.

Regards,

Shivani

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

I appreciate this discussion and am thankful to all the members who

are trying to make this forum positive and factual. As this

discussion revolves around the characteristics of a product that is

highly visible and readily available in the marketplace, I welcome any

factual experiences being shared about it.

I have heard many reports that these filters have helped in many

situations and would like to know the complete picture. As

has had an experience that isn't something that we're likely to hear

in product marketing, I'm glad he has shared it. As the statements he

makes regarding the filters don't support the statements we can read

from the manufacturing company, I respectfully urge to provide

what he can regarding the reports of the studies done by Bajog (links,

documents, etc.). And thanks to Shivani for standing up and insisting

we support what we say as best we can. Verification is a vital tool

in issues like these.

Cheers,

Yunijo

> " I think has already established credibility... You

might get

> the answers you're looking for if you'd stop threatening people

> with lawsuits, which I think makes *you* lose credibility. "

>

> Shivani responds:

> has been posting here for a long time, yes. And he

usually

> has good information, yes.

> However, if he posts something that defames a product, he needs to

offer

> substantiation. To spread false information about a product that

causes

> uninformed people to have a negative view of that product is not

only unethical, it

> certainly IS a legal matter.

>

> Dave's first reaction to what said was very laid back.

He

> thought was just some misinformed person. However, as the

conversation

> has developed, it appears that has an agenda, as he has not

reacted in

> a logical and reasonable way. If this were your product being

falsely

> maligned, Marc, I am rather sure you would see this in a very

different light. A

> court would.

>

> By the way, I am not about to sue anybody. It's not my

product being

> maligned. I am the messenger here. Being shot at plenty.

>

> What said was:

> " I have reports from the German company Bajog, who have

calculated and

> tested, that raising the number of capacitors (filters) can cause

> unwanted resonances, by which other electrical equipment can get

damaged.

> By raising the capacity of 200 uF and a net impedance of 0,5-1,2 Ohm

> (praxis value), the critical resonance frequency can be 180 Hz,

which is the

> 3rd

> harmonic. "

> He implies that this is somehow relevant to the Stetzer

filters, but so

> far has not answered any of my questions about it. If Bajog in fact

did a

> study on the Stetzer filters, let's see it. WHAT did Bajog test?

Stetzer

> filters, or something else?

> As I pointed out before, there is no number of Stetzer filters

the lab

> or anyone else could use that would = 200uF and cause resonance.

>

> As more people have found out about how damaging electrical

pollution

> is, and how much the Stetzer filters can help, the electric

utilities and their

> bosom buddies in governmental agencies are taking action to

purposefully

> misinform the public regarding the filters. The recent publication

by Health

> Canada is one of these projects. (By the way, since we have posted

Dr. Havas'

> comments of rebuttal, the Health Canada publication is now

unavailable at their

> Web site. They claim it is a technological problem.) Dave

Stetzer and Dr.

> Graham are presently looking into suing them for publishing

this false

> information about the filters. Dave and Marty would rather spend

their time

> working on new ways to help people, but are forced into this in

order to

> protect their name and their product.

>

> It is the same here. If this is a simple misunderstanding,

why didn't

> just answer the questions that I asked? Instead, he just

goes on

> and on badmouthing the Stetzer filters.

>

> Another group that continues to make inaccurate remarks about the

> Stetzer filters is baubiologists. Dave Stetzer and Dr. Graham

have tried and

> tried to educate baubiologists regarding the importance of FREQUENCY

over magnetic

> field strength, and to explain to them why their " body voltage "

methodology

> is unsound. But the baubiologists, as a group, for some reason

believe they

> understand electricity better than they actually do, and they

continue to make

> harmful statements about the filters.

>

> (A Canadian baubiologist previously claimed that a reputable

lab in

> Texas had done a test of the Stetzer filters that showed that are a

fire hazard.

> When Dave asked for a copy, the fellow said " Oh, I was drunk when I

said

> that. There wasn't actually any study. " )

>

> Whether ' motivation is related to his being part of

this group

> (baubiology), we do not know. I hope not.

>

> Personally, I am surprised., as I have had good personal

e-conversations

> with in the past, and had the feeling that his motivations

were good.

> I repeat again that I have no personal animosity towards anyone on

this

> list, but I will not remain silent in the face of misinformation

being spread

> about the Stetzer products.

>

> At any rate, I once again request that clarify his

remarks about

> whatever it is that Bajog has studied and published.

>

> Regards,

> Shivani

> www.LifeEnergies.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding the Stetzer filters, Garth wrote:

I have noticed the number fluctuate greatly based on time of day and

can shift from one minute to the next.

With filters installed, however, I am mostly below 50 throughout the

house, below 30 at most outlets.

I still have some outlets in my home with readings as high as 200 at

times.

I haven't yet tracked down where this high frequency energy is all

coming from, but that's a goal for the future.

Shivani replies:

The amount of electrical pollution present in your circuits will vary

continually, as the loads on the substation transmission line change. If

someone a couple of miles away, for instance, does some arc welding, or runs a

variable speed motor, your level of electrical pollution will go up.

So you are not likely ever to track down the source.

It may well help to reduce your remaining symptoms if you install enough

filters to get the reading down to an average of 20.

Also, you may well still have some exposure you are not aware of, from

unfiltered current that has found its way onto water pipes, etcetera. You'll

need a different sort of meter to detect that.

At our house, we had to move a water pipe, gut old electric baseboard

heaters, get rid of extra phone lines... all of which had been broadcasting

the harmful higher frequencies.

Regards,

Shivani

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

>

> I mentioned this a long time ago, but I purchased one Stetzer meter

> and filter just to try them out. Almost immediately after plugging

> in the filter, I got a sharp pain in my head (similar to what some

> might experience from using a cellphone). According to the meter,

> the noise levels were not excessive (reading was about 50), so

> I don't think it was overloading. I've had this sort of reaction

> to power strips which contain capacitor EMI/EMR filtering (e.g.

> Power Sentry), so I think I'm reacting to the technology, not

> necessarily something unique to the Stetzer filter.

>

> When I moved into my new house, I found that the power outlet

> that I sat next to in the living room was bothering me. I

> tested it with the Stetzer meter, and found that the readings

> were quite high. My solution? I replaced the outlet with

> a newer one, and readings dropped back to normal, and my symptoms

> went away. The outlet that came with the house looked incredibly

> cheap, and I installed it with a better quality one from the

> hardware store. On my " to-do " list is to replace all of the

> outlets in the house with higher quality ones.

>

> Marc

>

Thank you, Marc! These filters look to fall in with the rest of ES

helping items talked about here, can be good for some, not for others.

Yunijo