Re: Coherent Space Device arrives!

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc:

Thanks for your report! Now, I am curious: how are your cats reacting to it?

BTW, while the range for strongest effect seems to be a radius of

about 15 feet, the range for moderate effect seems to be a rdiuos of

about 28 to 30 feet, perhaps a bit more.

with care,

--Vinny

At 10:12 AM 9/25/2006, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Vinny was kind enough to send me one of his prototype

>coherent space devices for evaluation, and this arrived

>a couple of days ago. The one he sent me was an

>AUTO-21, which is supposed to have a range of 15-28 feet

>(I wonder how he comes up with these numbers?). You can

>see a photo and description on this page:

>

> http://www.coherentspace.info/products.html

>

>The device was a little thicker than I expected, and

>probably a bit too thick to comfortably have in your

>pants pocket, which is something I do with my trusty

>Quantum Companion from QuantumProducts.com. (the

>AUTO-21 is about twice as thick as the Quantum

>Companion).

>

>Historically, any device that I have had success with

>in the longterm has produced some kind of adverse

>reaction in the initial days/weeks, and it takes

>a bit of time to get used to before I can tell if

>it's helpful in the longterm. I think this is

>going to be the case with the AUTO-21 as well.

>

>I did a " tolerance test " by placing it next to

>my body for about an hour, and I could definitely

>feel *something* going on in my body, but I could

>not tell if it was good or bad. Moving the device

>away from me to 10-20 feet, I could also feel about

>the same thing, although perhaps not as intense.

>The feeling was hard to describe, perhaps a kind

>of cellular " rumbling " or trembling... I can't

>really describe it. I also notice random pains

>in my body while it was placed on top of the TV set

>for a couple hours last night and I was 10 feet away.

>There is also some slight anxiety/tension/tightening

>of the chest, which is unfortunate, because usually

>anything that causes that symptom eventually just

>gets worse and worse until I have to discontinue

>the product. It also may be contributing to some

> " face burning " symptoms, which in case I'd describe

>it as making my ES symptoms *worse*. I did *not*

>feel any more energetic or healthier.

>

>But like I said, I'm going to have to give this a

>little more time to be fair, and see if I can

>overcome the initial reaction. I'm going to

>try this is in the workplace today, as that

>is a more consistent/predictable environment

>(also high EMF).

>

>Marc

>

>

>

Vinny Pinto

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your report! Now, I am curious: how are your cats reacting to

> it?

Well, I was playing it safe -- I don't think the cats got any closer

to this device than 40-50 feet, and I haven't noticed any reaction

in my cats, dog, or wife.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc - I get induced anxiety sensation in my abdomen/solar plexus when I

drive my dads Rover 25 - 2002 model, I say induced because it does not matter

wether I am happy, sad, angry or calm it happens no matter, it is definately not

a pavlovian response, the emfs in th car are quite high compared to my

Fiat, I can just about bare it, but as I have had to use this for a while as

my

Fiat Punto is sick, I have started to get regular blips in my heart beat, a

sort of mini explosion of adrenaline/skip a beat thing - this is bad news for

me !!

regards

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your report!

By the way, it is interesting to me that the various

devices cause their own unique " adverse effects " .

Although there is certainly some commonality -- for

example, this anxiety/chest pains/panic attack/chest

tightness symptoms have shown up for me repeatedly,

using both nutritional supplements and EMF protection

devices. I theorize that they are mobilizing some

toxins that my body is having a nasty reaction to.

The variety of items which have caused these

particular symptoms are:

* Modifilan - a seaweed extract supplement, supposedly

good for radiation and heavy metal detox.

* sacred geometry medallions - an EMF protection

pendant that used to be sold by " Tools for

Wellness "

* chia seeds - supposedly a good source of omega-3

fatty acids and improved energy levels.

* rejuvenizer pendant - a pendant from lighthealing.com

that is supposed to be good for EMF protection

and general health improvement.

* Goji berries - supposed to be healthy.

* Natural Cellular Defense - liquid zeolite for

detoxifying heavy metals.

So your device is in good company, Vinny, although

I had to rather quickly abandon all of the above

things due to unnacceptable bad reactions...

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Marc - I get induced anxiety sensation in my abdomen/solar plexus when I

> drive my dads Rover 25 - 2002 model, I say induced because it does not

> matter wether I am happy, sad, angry or calm it happens no matter

I've read that this anxiety symptom can be caused by the mobilization

of copper into the bloodstream. This would make sense for folks with

ES, as copper is certainly one of the more electrically conductive

metals, so it certainly could be mobilized in the presence of EMF. It

would also make sense for me, because when I had a hair mineral analyses

done years ago, my copper readings were off the scale. Also, I noticed

that prior to getting ES, my intake in soy products had increased,

and soy is high in copper.

(I've never been tested to see if I have some sort of copper loading

disorder, like 's disease)

The challenge then becomes finding a way to get the copper (or

whatever metal it might be) out of the body safely. EMF protection

devices are not the safest way to eliminate metals, because they don't

have any way to bind to the metal and remove them from the body.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Vinny, wasn't one of the testimonials about your

devices that it caused a lot of sneezing initially?

I noticed that I've been sneezing a lot at work today,

with the device about 20 feet away from me.

(note that I do have co-workers who are sitting

closer to the device than I am, but I note no

changes in them)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc:

Yes, a woman in Australia who lives under power lines reported much

temporary sneezing for the first couple of weeks of using her device.

It has never happened for me, but sneezing is considered in many

healing traditions to be a very commonplace cleansing symptom,

particularly for toxins located in the head (i.e, brain, sinuses, etc.).

Strangely, several people have reported to me that their sense of

smell seems more acute now that they have one of these devices --

this includes people who were not noticeably ES and who noticed no

other significant benefits from using the device. Perhaps the

funniest reports have been those of happy dreams and better sleep!

with care,

--Vinny

At 07:17 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote:

>Vinny, wasn't one of the testimonials about your

>devices that it caused a lot of sneezing initially?

>I noticed that I've been sneezing a lot at work today,

>with the device about 20 feet away from me.

>

>(note that I do have co-workers who are sitting

>closer to the device than I am, but I note no

>changes in them)

>

>Marc

>

>

>

Vinny Pinto

vinny@...

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

http://www.vinnypinto.us

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc:

Yes, and I personally suspect strongly, as both a scientist and

intuitive (and healer) that these symptoms are detoxification or

cleansing symptoms. If I were experiencing such symptoms, I would

likely check the following things in my life and diet:

* ensure that I was getting enough calcium and magensium in my diet

* ensure that I was getting enough trace elements in my diet (I

like Pascalite clay, myself...)

* ensure that I was ingesting sufficient quantities of raw animal fats

* ensure that I was ingesting some cooked animal fats such as

found in really fatty fish (i.e., sardines, etc.)

* ensure that I was ingesting MegaH or a similar H-based

extremely low molecular weight antioxidant

* ensure that I was ingesting antioxidants and Paleo probiotic

microbes, as found in EM

with care,

--Vinny

At 03:13 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote:

> > Thanks for your report!

>

>By the way, it is interesting to me that the various

>devices cause their own unique " adverse effects " .

>Although there is certainly some commonality -- for

>example, this anxiety/chest pains/panic attack/chest

>tightness symptoms have shown up for me repeatedly,

>using both nutritional supplements and EMF protection

>devices. I theorize that they are mobilizing some

>toxins that my body is having a nasty reaction to.

>

>The variety of items which have caused these

>particular symptoms are:

>

> * Modifilan - a seaweed extract supplement, supposedly

> good for radiation and heavy metal detox.

>

> * sacred geometry medallions - an EMF protection

> pendant that used to be sold by " Tools for

> Wellness "

>

> * chia seeds - supposedly a good source of omega-3

> fatty acids and improved energy levels.

>

> * rejuvenizer pendant - a pendant from lighthealing.com

> that is supposed to be good for EMF protection

> and general health improvement.

>

> * Goji berries - supposed to be healthy.

>

> * Natural Cellular Defense - liquid zeolite for

> detoxifying heavy metals.

>

>So your device is in good company, Vinny, although

>I had to rather quickly abandon all of the above

>things due to unnacceptable bad reactions...

>

>Marc

>

>

Vinny Pinto

vinny@...

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:

http://www.vinnypinto.us

[Guest guest]

> Yes, and I personally suspect strongly, as both a scientist and

> intuitive (and healer) that these symptoms are detoxification or

> cleansing symptoms. If I were experiencing such symptoms, I would

> likely check the following things in my life and diet:

Yes, I'm doing *some* of these things. One thing I've been newly

experimenting with is organic germanium, which is supposed to

remove heavy metals from the body and also protect from radiation.

So far, I'd say that this noticeably improves my tolerance for

EMF. Here's an article which discusses this:

http://www.positivehealth.com/PERMIT/ARTICLES/Nutrition/Germanium/chapter5.htm

And here is where I bought a bottle of organic germanium:

http://organicgermanium.net/

The big problem with this supplement is that it is quite expensive,

although I've been getting good results so far at small doses.

Not much new to report on the experimentation front -- I was shuffling

things in and out at work today, trying to see what helps and what

doesn't. So far, the coherent space device seems to be adding to the

problem, so I've been keeping it at a distance (less than 20 feet,

though).

My coworkers appear to be unaffected, even though they are clearly

in its radius of effectiveness.

The Quantum Products are helping, as always. I've taken away the

Springlife polarizers, as they accelerate my detox which makes me

more sensitive to the Coherent Space Device. The D battery

continues to help though, which continues to surprise me!

Marc

[Guest guest]

> What is funny, however, is when people come to

> visit and are unknowingly bathed in the field effects of all these

> devices while visiting.

Heh, heh... my wife owns a yoga studio, and I have a couple devices

in place there, as I used to not be able to tolerate the dimmer

switches there. She also gets several comments from newcomers

about the " good energy " there. She tries to take credit for

it with the decorating, while I try to take credit for it with

the devices... :-)

Marc