Re: The subject of smoking

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Sorry if I offended - no, it's not a matter of being sanctimonious at all,

or perfect. It's a matter of facing your own truth. If you smoke and you

can't stop right now, that is your truth and you should honor where you are,

because there is a reason for where you are, and what is, needs to be.

Being a yoga teacher and a psychologist in training, I work with just these

questions. What I do not endorse is denial: well, I smoke, but it's not

the smoke that is hurting me, it's the stress. Part of owning your own

truth ( " I smoke " ) is owning the full reality of it ( " I smoke, and this is

hurting me " ), rather than displacing the harm onto stress ( " I smoke, but

that's not what is harming me, it is the stress " ).

Hope this helps.

Nina

The subject of smoking

I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to .

She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress. I gave

up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the time had

to be right.

It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for her.

Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

advice i still think you sounded

sanctimonious.

We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

Sally

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[Guest guest]

Two years back when my allergy problems were at peak, i often needed stimulation

in the form of smoking or caffeine. It was only after i eliminated the causes my

body did not feel the need of stimulants. So i don't think smoking could be the

root cause of the problem in all the cases, atleast for me not.

n.g.

Nina Moliver <yoganina@...> wrote:

Sorry if I offended - no, it's not a matter of being sanctimonious at

all,

or perfect. It's a matter of facing your own truth. If you smoke and you

can't stop right now, that is your truth and you should honor where you are,

because there is a reason for where you are, and what is, needs to be.

Being a yoga teacher and a psychologist in training, I work with just these

questions. What I do not endorse is denial: well, I smoke, but it's not

the smoke that is hurting me, it's the stress. Part of owning your own

truth ( " I smoke " ) is owning the full reality of it ( " I smoke, and this is

hurting me " ), rather than displacing the harm onto stress ( " I smoke, but

that's not what is harming me, it is the stress " ).

Hope this helps.

Nina

The subject of smoking

I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to .

She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress. I gave

up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the time had

to be right.

It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for her.

Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

advice i still think you sounded

sanctimonious.

We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

Sally

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[Guest guest]

Once again as a " budding psychologist, " nutritionist, yoga teacher et al -

one thing I have learned is that something doesn't have to be the root cause

for it to exacerbate or do harm. It is not always easy to identify the

cause of something you've got, as what exacerbates can create brand new

problems as well. These are known as " feedback loops, " rather than causes.

Nina

The subject of smoking

I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to .

She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress. I gave

up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the time had

to be right.

It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for her.

Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

advice i still think you sounded

sanctimonious.

We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

Sally

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> Sorry if I offended - no, it's not a matter of being

sanctimonious at all,

> or perfect. It's a matter of facing your own truth. If you smoke

and you

> can't stop right now, that is your truth and you should honor

where you are,

> because there is a reason for where you are, and what is, needs to

be.

> Being a yoga teacher and a psychologist in training, I work with

just these

> questions. What I do not endorse is denial: well, I smoke, but

it's not

> the smoke that is hurting me, it's the stress. Part of owning your

own

> truth ( " I smoke " ) is owning the full reality of it ( " I smoke, and

this is

> hurting me " ), rather than displacing the harm onto stress ( " I

smoke, but

> that's not what is harming me, it is the stress " ).

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Nina

>

> The subject of smoking

>

> I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to .

> She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress. I

gave

> up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the time

had

> to be right.

> It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for

her.

> Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

> Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

> advice i still think you sounded

> sanctimonious.

> We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

> Sally

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[Guest guest]

asking why someone would be smoking if they have circulatory and stress

problems, or any health problems for that matter, almost implies that only

healthy people should be smoking, and that people can quit smoking just like

that. which of course is absurd. so i guess the question was a veiled way

of giving the advice to stop smoking, which I bet the person in question is

working on, considering we are all health conscious.

On 11/9/06, sallyhffmn <sally.hoffman@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Sorry if I offended - no, it's not a matter of being

> sanctimonious at all,

> > or perfect. It's a matter of facing your own truth. If you smoke

> and you

> > can't stop right now, that is your truth and you should honor

> where you are,

> > because there is a reason for where you are, and what is, needs to

> be.

> > Being a yoga teacher and a psychologist in training, I work with

> just these

> > questions. What I do not endorse is denial: well, I smoke, but

> it's not

> > the smoke that is hurting me, it's the stress. Part of owning your

> own

> > truth ( " I smoke " ) is owning the full reality of it ( " I smoke, and

> this is

> > hurting me " ), rather than displacing the harm onto stress ( " I

> smoke, but

> > that's not what is harming me, it is the stress " ).

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > Nina

> >

> > The subject of smoking

> >

> > I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to .

> > She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress. I

> gave

> > up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the time

> had

> > to be right.

> > It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for

> her.

> > Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

> > Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

> > advice i still think you sounded

> > sanctimonious.

> > We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

> > Sally

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[Guest guest]

> > > Sorry if I offended - no, it's not a matter of being

> > sanctimonious at all,

> > > or perfect. It's a matter of facing your own truth. If you

smoke

> > and you

> > > can't stop right now, that is your truth and you should honor

> > where you are,

> > > because there is a reason for where you are, and what is,

needs to

> > be.

> > > Being a yoga teacher and a psychologist in training, I work

with

> > just these

> > > questions. What I do not endorse is denial: well, I smoke, but

> > it's not

> > > the smoke that is hurting me, it's the stress. Part of owning

your

> > own

> > > truth ( " I smoke " ) is owning the full reality of it ( " I smoke,

and

> > this is

> > > hurting me " ), rather than displacing the harm onto stress ( " I

> > smoke, but

> > > that's not what is harming me, it is the stress " ).

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Nina

> > >

> > > The subject of smoking

> > >

> > > I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to

.

> > > She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress.

I

> > gave

> > > up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the

time

> > had

> > > to be right.

> > > It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for

> > her.

> > > Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

> > > Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all

your

> > > advice i still think you sounded

> > > sanctimonious.

> > > We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

> > > Sally

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[Guest guest]

How right you are. I quit almost 7 yrs ago now and when I quit it was the

easiest

thing to do, because all the forces of the universe converged upon me at that

moment and when

I put out that last cigarette, i got the support i needed to make it work.

BUT it took me YEARS to get to that position. There were many failed

attempts

in the meantime. EVERYONE must pick their OWN time and place and it must be

for their

OWN reasons. Doing it for someone else or out of guilt is NOT going to work.

Thats a setup

for sure failure. I tried the patches - didn't work - made me smoke even

more. I tried the

gradual tapering off- not successful - as soon as my stress increased right

back to smoking

as per usual or even a bit more. Cold Turkey- because I was resigned to

quit - because I knew it

was what i wanted to do- because I was tired of being controlled by this habit

- because i wanted to be FREE.

That worked. No withdrawl symptoms, no irritability, no crabbiness, no

cravings. What i did get was an

appetite that couldn't be turned off. 2 yrs and 65 pounds later the appetite

finally returned to more

normal levels and have been working on getting that excess weight off ever

since. So far 40 have disappeared and the rest is going to go Im sure. VCO

and Kefir are making a real difference.

huggs

zoe

Thursday, November 9, 2006, 8:14:15 AM, you wrote:

>

> They say giving up smoking is worse than giving up herion addiction.

> I remember when i gave up i was climbing the walls. Smoking that is

> not heroin. lol I had to give up because everytime i got a cold it

> went straight to my chest and i got bronchitis. Since giving up

> smoking never had bronchitis again. I am very anti-smoking now but

> i do feel how ever much you nag someone, it won't make any

> difference, they have to choose the right time for them. Stress is

> bad for cholesterol but smoking is bad for cholesterol too, and is

> a cause of heart attacks not just cancers. There is no easy way but

> people should not be blase about it. It is like telling overweight

> people to just give up eating the wrong food. If you are addicted

> to whatever it is. It's not easy.

> Sally

[Guest guest]

Not sanctimounius, Sally. Just tough love. I was a sugar junkie

for many years. I kept avoiding that I had a serious addiction. It

took me being diagnosed as a diabetic and having a non-healing hole in

my foot to get thru my denial of the problem. Quitting was by no

means easy. I was suicidal for a while. I felt if I could not have

my sugar and bread that life was just not worth living. Years ago I

knew a chemist who sent me an article on addictive substances. White

sugar is more addictive than heroine, cocaine or tobacco. The

knowledge that I have had friends who manafged to give up heroine gave

me the strength to work thru the suicidal phase of withdrawal. While

it was very hard for a while, I sure am glad I persisted.

I have known other diabetics who moderated their carb habits, but

never gave them up. They smoke even though smoking hinders

circulation and diabetics can lose limbs from poor circulation. Over

the past 5 years, I have gotten healthier, gotten off diabetic meds,

and control my blood sugars thru diet and supplements. Whereas one of

the diabetics who still smoked, and ate sugar and bread was in a

wheelchair the last time I saw him. And now he is dead. Both he

and I are about the same age, and both of us werwe diagnosed diabetic

atg about the same time. Another one of the diabetics is in far worse

health than he was 5 years ago. All things considered, I am doing

pretty good.

The longer someone persists in a suicidal habit, the greater the

danger. Seems to me that someone looking to compensate for a

dangerous addiction by supplementing with VCO or taking a vitamin pill

is not looking at the problem head on. No, I sure can't tell

someone to quit. Not my job in life. But I can inquire into why

someone persists in a habit which he or she appears to realize is not

good for him or her.

I am curious, Sally -- would you have the same persspecive if someone

were using VCO in an attempt to to negate some of the bad side effects

of taking heroin or cocaine?

Alobar

On 11/9/06, sallyhffmn <sally.hoffman@...> wrote:

> I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to .

> She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress. I gave

> up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the time had

> to be right.

> It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for her.

> Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

> Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

> advice i still think you sounded

> sanctimonious.

> We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

> Sally

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > I was a little bit annoyed by Alobar and Nina's attitude to

.

> > She said she was a heavy smoker and used to suffer bad stress.

I gave

> > up over 20 years ago and it took me several attempts and the

time had

> > to be right.

> > It's hard to give up and she obviously knows it is not good for

her.

> > Outright condemnation is hardly the way to go.

> > Sorry, however much i respect the pair of you and value all your

> > advice i still think you sounded

> > sanctimonious.

> > We should be supporting her. We can't all be perfect.

> > Sally

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" sugar is more addictive than heroine, cocaine or tobacco. "

It wasnt till I read this that it hit me that this is true. Ive

always had a problem with sugar. I was putting on heaps of weight

and I was geting close to being a diabetic.

Even though i gave up chocolate,I would not stop eating dates.I

couldnt stop at one,it would be 1/4 kilo at a time,and relapse to

chocevery 2 months forgeting how dangerous it is and end up onthe old

sugar habits.

I knew I had to give it all up because it was leading me to being a

diabetic,it runs in our family.Some have lost limbs.

But I had some help.Beside wanting to lose weight,I started to take a

herb called 'cats claw'.this helps to interfere with the cravings or

addictions to substances of any kind.

I take 2 grams a day and it REALLY stops 90% of severe cravings. BUT

you must be determined also. Now it seems i can take it or leave

it,but I have to be careful.

If you live in the U.S. you are lucky that WWW.Rain-tree.com has a

very good supply of this herb and is also organic.