Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

[Guest guest]

Hello! I'm new to this forum and would love to hear anyone's educated input

on the following predicament in which I find myself:

I have been using VCO for more than a year, and several months ago we began

using it to replace virtually all of our other oils in cooking, as well as

adding it to smoothies, etc. I have read a lot about the benefits of it and

about the reasons why it is NOT bad for you. I've also been repeatedly

touting its health benefits to my father, who had a heart attack 2 months

ago, because I thought it would help him not to experience any further

arterial buildup. My husband, who has high blood pressure, has been eating

a lot of it, as well.

However, my dad told me several days ago that he saw a T.V. special in which

a group of individuals was fed a meal high in coconut oil, and another group

ate a meal high in safflower oil. The results of the study weren't reported

entirely accurately, as my online research has since uncovered (for

instance, they completely neglected to report the fact that LDL levels were

DOWN after the coconut oil meal), but the study is still a bit unsettling to

me. The main finding that concerns me is that they found that people

experienced significantly decreased arterial elasticity after eating the

coconut oil meal, which did not happen after the safflower oil meal.

I contacted Tropical Traditions about this matter and they referred me to

the following site:

http://coconutoil.com/saturated_fat_study_response.htm

I was able to glean some information from this article, which is supposed to

be a direct rebuttal to the, " saturated vs. polyunsaturated " fat study I

mentioned, but for the most part the author engages in wisecracking ridicule

of the researches rather than citing actual facts, so it was difficult for

me to determine precisely how the study was scientifically flawed.

In addition to this study, I have been asking others about their experiences

with coconut oil. Here are two of the responses I have received:

<<when I was using coconut oil exclusively, my chloesterol went OVER 300,

and my blood pressure went up too. I personally wouldn't use it. Any fat

that is solid at room temperature is a saturated fat, . . . I was using

Virgin Coconut Oil too, by the way...and using it in my granola, for making

popcorn, in smoothies, sometimes buttered on bread, and in recipes. . . . I

think if you look up " Saturated Fats " on the internet you may have more luck

finding research. Most sites that rank high for Virgin Coconut oil are

selling it . . . .>>

<<I know Pacific Islanders who's diet is high in coconut cream and coconut

milk also have very high rates of heart disease and choelsterol.>>

I haven't had anyone give me any positive testimonials, especially not with

regards to heart health.

Also, I've had several people speculate that perhaps the oil used in the

scientific study was not virgin, but from what I have read, one should still

be able to gain at least some of the benefits of coconut oil, and certainly

shouldn't experience ill-effects from it, even if it is not very quality

oil.

So, I would like to hear input from any of you who are educated specifically

about the heart benefits of coconut oil, and who know WHY some people

experience exactly the opposite of the effects it is supposed to have. I am

very concerned that I've been feeding so much of this food to my family when

it seems to sometimes have very damaging effects. I would prefer citations

of scientific studies, if possible, not just, " I know it's true because I

read it. " ) Thanks reading this e-mail, and TIA for any help!

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

I have been suspecting Co too. no scientific data but mt BS has been running

way hi . (type 2 diabetes) so it may have something to do with the Co however I

am losing a little weight but that may be from REALLY watching my diet because

of the hi BS. I think the coconut milk is helping tho. I want to hear alot more

input concerning this CO .

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From: " " <mrsjtwalker@...>

Hello! I'm new to this forum and would love to hear anyone's educated input

on the following predicament in which I find myself:

I have been using VCO for more than a year, and several months ago we began

using it to replace virtually all of our other oils in cooking, as well as

adding it to smoothies, etc. I have read a lot about the benefits of it and

about the reasons why it is NOT bad for you. I've also been repeatedly

touting its health benefits to my father, who had a heart attack 2 months

ago, because I thought it would help him not to experience any further

arterial buildup. My husband, who has high blood pressure, has been eating

a lot of it, as well.

However, my dad told me several days ago that he saw a T.V. special in which

a group of individuals was fed a meal high in coconut oil, and another group

ate a meal high in safflower oil. The results of the study weren't reported

entirely accurately, as my online research has since uncovered (for

instance, they completely neglected to report the fact that LDL levels were

DOWN after the coconut oil meal), but the study is still a bit unsettling to

me. The main finding that concerns me is that they found that people

experienced significantly decreased arterial elasticity after eating the

coconut oil meal, which did not happen after the safflower oil meal.

I contacted Tropical Traditions about this matter and they referred me to

the following site:

http://coconutoil.com/saturated_fat_study_response.htm

I was able to glean some information from this article, which is supposed to

be a direct rebuttal to the, " saturated vs. polyunsaturated " fat study I

mentioned, but for the most part the author engages in wisecracking ridicule

of the researches rather than citing actual facts, so it was difficult for

me to determine precisely how the study was scientifically flawed.

In addition to this study, I have been asking others about their experiences

with coconut oil. Here are two of the responses I have received:

<<when I was using coconut oil exclusively, my chloesterol went OVER 300,

and my blood pressure went up too. I personally wouldn't use it. Any fat

that is solid at room temperature is a saturated fat, . . . I was using

Virgin Coconut Oil too, by the way...and using it in my granola, for making

popcorn, in smoothies, sometimes buttered on bread, and in recipes. . . . I

think if you look up " Saturated Fats " on the internet you may have more luck

finding research. Most sites that rank high for Virgin Coconut oil are

selling it . . . .>>

<<I know Pacific Islanders who's diet is high in coconut cream and coconut

milk also have very high rates of heart disease and choelsterol.>>

I haven't had anyone give me any positive testimonials, especially not with

regards to heart health.

Also, I've had several people speculate that perhaps the oil used in the

scientific study was not virgin, but from what I have read, one should still

be able to gain at least some of the benefits of coconut oil, and certainly

shouldn't experience ill-effects from it, even if it is not very quality

oil.

So, I would like to hear input from any of you who are educated specifically

about the heart benefits of coconut oil, and who know WHY some people

experience exactly the opposite of the effects it is supposed to have. I am

very concerned that I've been feeding so much of this food to my family when

it seems to sometimes have very damaging effects. I would prefer citations

of scientific studies, if possible, not just, " I know it's true because I

read it. " ) Thanks reading this e-mail, and TIA for any help!

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

I wrote a response to the One Saturated Fat Meal is Harmful study in my

last newsletter. The study is shamefully flawed and was funded by the

pharmaceutical industry. Because I receive so many requests for the

article I plan on posting it on my website (www.coconutresarchcenter.org

<http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/> ) soon. I will let you when it is

online.

Bruce Fife

Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

Hello! I'm new to this forum and would love to hear anyone's educated

input

on the following predicament in which I find myself:

I have been using VCO for more than a year, and several months ago we

began

using it to replace virtually all of our other oils in cooking, as well

as

adding it to smoothies, etc. I have read a lot about the benefits of it

and

about the reasons why it is NOT bad for you. I've also been repeatedly

touting its health benefits to my father, who had a heart attack 2

months

ago, because I thought it would help him not to experience any further

arterial buildup. My husband, who has high blood pressure, has been

eating

a lot of it, as well.

However, my dad told me several days ago that he saw a T.V. special in

which

a group of individuals was fed a meal high in coconut oil, and another

group

ate a meal high in safflower oil. The results of the study weren't

reported

entirely accurately, as my online research has since uncovered (for

instance, they completely neglected to report the fact that LDL levels

were

DOWN after the coconut oil meal), but the study is still a bit

unsettling to

me. The main finding that concerns me is that they found that people

experienced significantly decreased arterial elasticity after eating the

coconut oil meal, which did not happen after the safflower oil meal.

I contacted Tropical Traditions about this matter and they referred me

to

the following site:

http://coconutoil.

<http://coconutoil.com/saturated_fat_study_response.htm>

com/saturated_fat_study_response.htm

I was able to glean some information from this article, which is

supposed to

be a direct rebuttal to the, " saturated vs. polyunsaturated " fat study I

mentioned, but for the most part the author engages in wisecracking

ridicule

of the researches rather than citing actual facts, so it was difficult

for

me to determine precisely how the study was scientifically flawed.

In addition to this study, I have been asking others about their

experiences

with coconut oil. Here are two of the responses I have received:

<<when I was using coconut oil exclusively, my chloesterol went OVER

300,

and my blood pressure went up too. I personally wouldn't use it. Any fat

that is solid at room temperature is a saturated fat, . . . I was using

Virgin Coconut Oil too, by the way...and using it in my granola, for

making

popcorn, in smoothies, sometimes buttered on bread, and in recipes. . .

.. I

think if you look up " Saturated Fats " on the internet you may have more

luck

finding research. Most sites that rank high for Virgin Coconut oil are

selling it . . . .>>

<<I know Pacific Islanders who's diet is high in coconut cream and

coconut

milk also have very high rates of heart disease and choelsterol.>>

I haven't had anyone give me any positive testimonials, especially not

with

regards to heart health.

Also, I've had several people speculate that perhaps the oil used in the

scientific study was not virgin, but from what I have read, one should

still

be able to gain at least some of the benefits of coconut oil, and

certainly

shouldn't experience ill-effects from it, even if it is not very quality

oil.

So, I would like to hear input from any of you who are educated

specifically

about the heart benefits of coconut oil, and who know WHY some people

experience exactly the opposite of the effects it is supposed to have. I

am

very concerned that I've been feeding so much of this food to my family

when

it seems to sometimes have very damaging effects. I would prefer

citations

of scientific studies, if possible, not just, " I know it's true because

I

read it. " ) Thanks reading this e-mail, and TIA for any help!

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bruce. I was hoping you had something cogent to say about that " study " .

Alobar

On 9/19/06, Bruce Fife <bruce@...> wrote:

> I wrote a response to the One Saturated Fat Meal is Harmful study in my

> last newsletter. The study is shamefully flawed and was funded by the

> pharmaceutical industry. Because I receive so many requests for the

> article I plan on posting it on my website (www.coconutresarchcenter.org

> <http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/> ) soon. I will let you when it is

> online.

>

> Bruce Fife

>

[Guest guest]

I cannot get the forum page to open for Dr Fifes newsletter ..

--------- Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

Hello! I'm new to this forum and would love to hear anyone's educated

input

on the following predicament in which I find myself:

I have been using VCO for more than a year, and several months ago we

began

using it to replace virtually all of our other oils in cooking, as well

as

adding it to smoothies, etc. I have read a lot about the benefits of it

and

about the reasons why it is NOT bad for you. I've also been repeatedly

touting its health benefits to my father, who had a heart attack 2

months

ago, because I thought it would help him not to experience any further

arterial buildup. My husband, who has high blood pressure, has been

eating

a lot of it, as well.

However, my dad told me several days ago that he saw a T.V. special in

which

a group of individuals was fed a meal high in coconut oil, and another

group

ate a meal high in safflower oil. The results of the study weren't

reported

entirely accurately, as my online research has since uncovered (for

instance, they completely neglected to report the fact that LDL levels

were

DOWN after the coconut oil meal), but the study is still a bit

unsettling to

me. The main finding that concerns me is that they found that people

experienced significantly decreased arterial elasticity after eating the

coconut oil meal, which did not happen after the safflower oil meal.

I contacted Tropical Traditions about this matter and they referred me

to

the following site:

http://coconutoil.

<http://coconutoil.com/saturated_fat_study_response.htm>

com/saturated_fat_study_response.htm

I was able to glean some information from this article, which is

supposed to

be a direct rebuttal to the, " saturated vs. polyunsaturated " fat study I

mentioned, but for the most part the author engages in wisecracking

ridicule

of the researches rather than citing actual facts, so it was difficult

for

me to determine precisely how the study was scientifically flawed.

In addition to this study, I have been asking others about their

experiences

with coconut oil. Here are two of the responses I have received:

<<when I was using coconut oil exclusively, my chloesterol went OVER

300,

and my blood pressure went up too. I personally wouldn't use it. Any fat

that is solid at room temperature is a saturated fat, . . . I was using

Virgin Coconut Oil too, by the way...and using it in my granola, for

making

popcorn, in smoothies, sometimes buttered on bread, and in recipes. . .

.. I

think if you look up " Saturated Fats " on the internet you may have more

luck

finding research. Most sites that rank high for Virgin Coconut oil are

selling it . . . .>>

<<I know Pacific Islanders who's diet is high in coconut cream and

coconut

milk also have very high rates of heart disease and choelsterol.>>

I haven't had anyone give me any positive testimonials, especially not

with

regards to heart health.

Also, I've had several people speculate that perhaps the oil used in the

scientific study was not virgin, but from what I have read, one should

still

be able to gain at least some of the benefits of coconut oil, and

certainly

shouldn't experience ill-effects from it, even if it is not very quality

oil.

So, I would like to hear input from any of you who are educated

specifically

about the heart benefits of coconut oil, and who know WHY some people

experience exactly the opposite of the effects it is supposed to have. I

am

very concerned that I've been feeding so much of this food to my family

when

it seems to sometimes have very damaging effects. I would prefer

citations

of scientific studies, if possible, not just, " I know it's true because

I

read it. " ) Thanks reading this e-mail, and TIA for any help!

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

The http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/ link does not work.

Love

Bob

Adageyudi

Staya Udanvti

[Guest guest]

I just posted the Saturated Fat article on my website. You can access it

at http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article10028.htm.

Bruce Fife

Re: Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

The http://www.coconutr <http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/>

esarchcenter.org/ link does not work.

Love

Bob

Adageyudi

Staya Udanvti

[Guest guest]

Try this link http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article10028.htm

Bruce

Re: Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

The http://www.coconutr <http://www.coconutr

<http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/> esarchcenter.org/>

esarchcenter.org/ link does not work.

Love

Bob

Adageyudi

Staya Udanvti

[Guest guest]

A big, hearty, " Thank You! " , Bruce. Your article was much clearer and more

precise than the other one I'd read in regards to this study.

I'm still curious as to your (or anyone else's) ideas about the individual

who told me that her BP and cholesterol went very high while she was eating

coconut oil. Any thoughts?

-

On 9/20/06, Bruce Fife <bruce@...> wrote:

>

> Try this link http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article10028.htm

>

> Bruce

>

> Re: Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

>

> The http://www.coconutr <http://www.coconutr

> <http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/> esarchcenter.org/>

> esarchcenter.org/ link does not work.

>

> Love

> Bob

> Adageyudi

> Staya Udanvti

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just tried it again and it comes up "

Not Found

The requested URL /article10028.htm. was not found on this server.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/1.3.37 Ben-SSL/1.57 Server at coconutresearchcenter.org Port 80

" .....

Love

Bob

Adageyudi

Staya Udanvti

Re: Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

Posted by: " Bruce Fife " bruce@... picca00

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:35 pm (PST)

I just posted the Saturated Fat article on my website. You can access it

at http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article10028.htm.

Bruce Fife

Re: Questions: Coconut Oil Scare

The http://www.coconutr <http://www.coconutresarchcenter.org/>

esarchcenter.org/ link does not work.

Love

Bob

Adageyudi

Staya Udanvti

[Guest guest]

OK This one worked

Thanks.

Love

Bob

Adageyudi

Staya Udanvti