Fatigue Question

[Guest guest]

As most of you know, I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis and not Stills but I

have so much in common with you and one of them is the Fatigue! Every day I

feel like I am pulling myself around just to move an inch. Everything seems

to be such a struggle and then when night falls, I can't get good sleep and

end up tossing and turning all night long. So my question is, is this part

of an autoimmune system disorder (the fatigue that is) or is it caused by

the medication or a bit of both? I do know that Fibromyalgia can cause

extreme fatigue and it appears that so many of us struggle with this

condition as well. I also realize that there is a vicious cycle happening

when we are so sore during the day and ache all night long, we do not sleep

properly and if we do not sleep properly then it affects our disease the

next day making it worse but then because we are so sore the next day then

we don't sleep properly at night again....do you see where I'm going here.

It's a vicious cycle!! Even when I take my sleeping pills it still doesn't

help that much. Who would have ever thought that fatigue could be so

debilitating. I was also told once that when our body's are under such

attack and in flares, the body takes such a beating from it all and becomes

very fatigue so I guess a little of everything contributes to this

craziness!!

Well goodnight to you all I wish you a wonderful night's sleep my friends!

Marilyn

mhogg69@...

Cyndi,

Reading your letter made me think you were describing me. Fatigue is

my

biggest problem; I'm also unable to work. I have about the same sleep needs

as you. I also have very little pain, for which I'm most thankful. I've had

Stills for five years. Glad you found the group - I think you'll like it

here. Love, Barb

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[Guest guest]

As most of you know, I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis and not Stills but I

have so much in common with you and one of them is the Fatigue! Every day I

feel like I am pulling myself around just to move an inch. Everything seems

to be such a struggle and then when night falls, I can't get good sleep and

end up tossing and turning all night long. So my question is, is this part

of an autoimmune system disorder (the fatigue that is) or is it caused by

the medication or a bit of both? I do know that Fibromyalgia can cause

extreme fatigue and it appears that so many of us struggle with this

condition as well. I also realize that there is a vicious cycle happening

when we are so sore during the day and ache all night long, we do not sleep

properly and if we do not sleep properly then it affects our disease the

next day making it worse but then because we are so sore the next day then

we don't sleep properly at night again....do you see where I'm going here.

It's a vicious cycle!! Even when I take my sleeping pills it still doesn't

help that much. Who would have ever thought that fatigue could be so

debilitating. I was also told once that when our body's are under such

attack and in flares, the body takes such a beating from it all and becomes

very fatigue so I guess a little of everything contributes to this

craziness!!

Well goodnight to you all I wish you a wonderful night's sleep my friends!

Marilyn

mhogg69@...

Cyndi,

Reading your letter made me think you were describing me. Fatigue is

my

biggest problem; I'm also unable to work. I have about the same sleep needs

as you. I also have very little pain, for which I'm most thankful. I've had

Stills for five years. Glad you found the group - I think you'll like it

here. Love, Barb

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[Guest guest]

Dear Marilyn,

I hope you have a wonderful and peaceful night with sweet dreams. I

definitely relate and I agree with you I think it is a combo of everything.

Since I had my Epidural I have been feeling hyperactive. Last night I

finally went to bed at 5:00am and I was still tossing and turning. Since my

back has gotten worse I have been even more fatigued than usual. Just

getting up and getting ready for work in the morning at times is an

exhausting task. I didn't mean to carry on. The fatigue can definitely be

disabling.

Love,

jatw@...

[Guest guest]

Dear Marilyn,

I hope you have a wonderful and peaceful night with sweet dreams. I

definitely relate and I agree with you I think it is a combo of everything.

Since I had my Epidural I have been feeling hyperactive. Last night I

finally went to bed at 5:00am and I was still tossing and turning. Since my

back has gotten worse I have been even more fatigued than usual. Just

getting up and getting ready for work in the morning at times is an

exhausting task. I didn't mean to carry on. The fatigue can definitely be

disabling.

Love,

jatw@...

[Guest guest]

I just did some reading on fatigue..and I found out I was wrong.Maybe

my theory works ok for those who are fatigued due to depression.

It's why I have got in this sad mess to begin with.Spent years never

going to a doctor.

I apologize to all of you.I didn't mean to sound glib.It is advice I've

been giving for years.Next time someone asks me,I'm going say " You need

to see your doctor. "

Sheilah

In hyperaldosteronism , " Sheilah " <beachboyfan1@...>

wrote:

>

> I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting up and

> moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start slowly

and

> increase gradually.

>

> To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to move. " I

do

> feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I have two

> teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

>

> Not always easy,I know.

>

> Sheilah

>

[Guest guest]

My doctor put me on Lipitor once 3 years ago and that is fatique. I couldn't

move a muscle. I was so sleepy and tired all the time that I thought I had

lost every muscle in my body. Just the tought of having to stand up from a

sitting position felt like I had to climb a mountain. 3 weeks on Lipitor

and I thought I was going to die. Two weeks after stopping Lipitor, I felt

my muscles were slowly coming back hence my energy back to normal. I walked

4 miles a day before taking the lipitor and I couldnt'[ walk 10 steps while

on Lipitor. We have to get to know our medications. Not every med fits all

in the same way. I was taking 5 mgs of lipitor every other day and I prefer

to live a short life with some energy in my body than to live a prolonged

life as a couch potato.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM, jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> " Fatigue " can be caused by lotsa things, like ragweed allergy.

> Peanuts make me sore all over the next day.

> But every morning I want a hot shower first thing. That gets me going.

>

> Regards

>

>

> Re: Fatigue Question

>

> I just did some reading on fatigue..and I found out I was wrong.Maybe

> my theory works ok for those who are fatigued due to depression.

>

> It's why I have got in this sad mess to begin with.Spent years never

> going to a doctor.

>

> I apologize to all of you.I didn't mean to sound glib.It is advice I've

> been giving for years.Next time someone asks me,I'm going say " You need

> to see your doctor. "

>

> Sheilah

>

> In hyperaldosteronism <hyperaldosteronism%40>,

> " Sheilah " <beachboyfan1@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting up and

> > moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start slowly

> and

> > increase gradually.

> >

> > To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to move. " I

> do

> > feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I have two

> > teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

> >

> > Not always easy,I know.

> >

> > Sheilah

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheilah, what sad mess? I don't think you've told us.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Sheilah

It's why I have got in this sad mess to begin with.Spent years never

going to a doctor.

[Guest guest]

" Fatigue " can be caused by lotsa things, like ragweed allergy.

Peanuts make me sore all over the next day.

But every morning I want a hot shower first thing. That gets me going.

Regards

Re: Fatigue Question

I just did some reading on fatigue..and I found out I was wrong.Maybe

my theory works ok for those who are fatigued due to depression.

It's why I have got in this sad mess to begin with.Spent years never

going to a doctor.

I apologize to all of you.I didn't mean to sound glib.It is advice I've

been giving for years.Next time someone asks me,I'm going say " You need

to see your doctor. "

Sheilah

In hyperaldosteronism , " Sheilah " <beachboyfan1@...>

wrote:

>

> I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting up and

> moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start slowly

and

> increase gradually.

>

> To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to move. " I

do

> feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I have two

> teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

>

> Not always easy,I know.

>

> Sheilah

>

[Guest guest]

You appear to have a dangerous reaction to statins. Please discuss

with your Dr immediately and suggest you want to try diet to manage

the problem.

What are the indications for using this drug?

Strongly recommend you work on dietary management first if

cholesterol is the problem

DASH or Nutrisystems or Seattle Sutton would all be good ones to try.

The cholesterol response to diet will reach its peak in as little as

2 weeks.

Few Drs recommend or stress this as they have had so many fail doing

this (without proper instruction and education).

Recall that the Lyon Heart Study diet reduced second heart attacks by

50%. This is more than any drug trail has ever shown.

CE Grim MD

On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Farah Rahbar wrote:

> My doctor put me on Lipitor once 3 years ago and that is fatique. I

> couldn't

> move a muscle. I was so sleepy and tired all the time that I

> thought I had

> lost every muscle in my body. Just the tought of having to stand up

> from a

> sitting position felt like I had to climb a mountain. 3 weeks on

> Lipitor

> and I thought I was going to die. Two weeks after stopping Lipitor,

> I felt

> my muscles were slowly coming back hence my energy back to normal.

> I walked

> 4 miles a day before taking the lipitor and I couldnt'[ walk 10

> steps while

> on Lipitor. We have to get to know our medications. Not every med

> fits all

> in the same way. I was taking 5 mgs of lipitor every other day and

> I prefer

> to live a short life with some energy in my body than to live a

> prolonged

> life as a couch potato.

>

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM, jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

>

> > " Fatigue " can be caused by lotsa things, like ragweed allergy.

> > Peanuts make me sore all over the next day.

> > But every morning I want a hot shower first thing. That gets me

> going.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> > Re: Fatigue Question

> >

> > I just did some reading on fatigue..and I found out I was

> wrong.Maybe

> > my theory works ok for those who are fatigued due to depression.

> >

> > It's why I have got in this sad mess to begin with.Spent years never

> > going to a doctor.

> >

> > I apologize to all of you.I didn't mean to sound glib.It is

> advice I've

> > been giving for years.Next time someone asks me,I'm going say

> " You need

> > to see your doctor. "

> >

> > Sheilah

> >

> > In hyperaldosteronism <hyperaldosteronism%

> 40>,

> > " Sheilah " <beachboyfan1@...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting

> up and

> > > moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start slowly

> > and

> > > increase gradually.

> > >

> > > To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to

> move. " I

> > do

> > > feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I

> have two

> > > teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

> > >

> > > Not always easy,I know.

> > >

> > > Sheilah

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

This does not work if your K is low.

should have had a second verse-

" But if your K is low it won't be smooth

You may think you can do it

but your muscles may quit. "

You will cramp and twitch and draw

and you hands will look like a claw.

etc al la poetic license.

Some one needs to do an Ode to K.

Or an ode to PA even better.

CE Grim MD

On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Sheilah wrote:

> I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting up and

> moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start slowly and

> increase gradually.

>

> To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to move. " I do

> feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I have two

> teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

>

> Not always easy,I know.

>

> Sheilah

>

>

>

May your pressure be low!



CE Grim BS, MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Education Consulting

Inc.(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine Medical and Cardiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

Interests:

1. Difficult to control high blood pressure.

2. The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure

in human populations.

3. Improving blood pressure measurement in the office and out.

[Guest guest]

Being concerned with my health is very new for me...but I am really

trying.I hate to say this now,but I don't even know what you mean

when you say " K is low... "

I lived most of my life foolishly.Eating and drinking what I

wanted,with no thought of any consequences.And,that has caught up

with me.I must have a pretty good immune system,cause it's been over

10 years since I've had so much as a cold.I attribute this to

drinking lots of water, orange juice and washing my hands often.

Mainly,though,if I start to feel sick,I tell myself its in my head.It

irks my Mama to no end if I tell her, " It is all in your head,just

say,No I'm not getting sick. "

Dave asked me to join this group months ago.He saw I was putting my

life at risk.I am now trying to learn how to change my

lifestyle.Since an early age I put salt on

everything...watermelon,cucumbers,green apples.Just cover them with

salt from the shaker.I spent many a summer day in the tomato patch

with a salt shaker.Well,not the entire day.I had a friend who once

said, " you don't eat watermelon.You eat the salt. "

I know I have a long way to go.And,...he is 66 now.He doesn't

move like he once did either.

Sheilah

In hyperaldosteronism , Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>

wrote:

>

> This does not work if your K is low.

>

> should have had a second verse-

>

> " But if your K is low it won't be smooth

>

> You may think you can do it

> but your muscles may quit. "

>

> You will cramp and twitch and draw

> and you hands will look like a claw.

>

>

>

>

> etc al la poetic license.

>

> Some one needs to do an Ode to K.

>

> Or an ode to PA even better.

>

>

>

> CE Grim MD

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Sheilah wrote:

>

> > I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting up

and

> > moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start

slowly and

> > increase gradually.

> >

> > To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to move. "

I do

> > feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I have

two

> > teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

> >

> > Not always easy,I know.

> >

> > Sheilah

> >

> >

> >

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

>

> 

>

>

>

>

>

>

> CE Grim BS, MS, MD

>

> High Blood Pressure Consulting

>

> Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Education Consulting

> Inc.(sharedcareinc.com)

>

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine Medical and Cardiology

> Medical College of Wisconsin

>

> Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

>

> Interests:

> 1. Difficult to control high blood pressure.

> 2. The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure

> in human populations.

> 3. Improving blood pressure measurement in the office and out.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

K is potassium

If your BP has not been high or your k low you may not be at the best

site for your health problems so we need more medical details

Sent from my iPhone

CE Grim MS MD

Specializing in Difficult Hypertension

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Education Comsulting Inc

Sharedcareinc@...

On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Sheilah <beachboyfan1@...> wrote:

> Being concerned with my health is very new for me...but I am really

> trying.I hate to say this now,but I don't even know what you mean

> when you say " K is low... "

>

> I lived most of my life foolishly.Eating and drinking what I

> wanted,with no thought of any consequences.And,that has caught up

> with me.I must have a pretty good immune system,cause it's been over

> 10 years since I've had so much as a cold.I attribute this to

> drinking lots of water, orange juice and washing my hands often.

>

> Mainly,though,if I start to feel sick,I tell myself its in my head.It

> irks my Mama to no end if I tell her, " It is all in your head,just

> say,No I'm not getting sick. "

>

> Dave asked me to join this group months ago.He saw I was putting my

> life at risk.I am now trying to learn how to change my

> lifestyle.Since an early age I put salt on

> everything...watermelon,cucumbers,green apples.Just cover them with

> salt from the shaker.I spent many a summer day in the tomato patch

> with a salt shaker.Well,not the entire day.I had a friend who once

> said, " you don't eat watermelon.You eat the salt. "

>

> I know I have a long way to go.And,...he is 66 now.He doesn't

> move like he once did either.

>

> Sheilah

>

> In hyperaldosteronism , Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > This does not work if your K is low.

> >

> > should have had a second verse-

> >

> > " But if your K is low it won't be smooth

> >

> > You may think you can do it

> > but your muscles may quit. "

> >

> > You will cramp and twitch and draw

> > and you hands will look like a claw.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > etc al la poetic license.

> >

> > Some one needs to do an Ode to K.

> >

> > Or an ode to PA even better.

> >

> >

> >

> > CE Grim MD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Sheilah wrote:

> >

> > > I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting up

> and

> > > moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start

> slowly and

> > > increase gradually.

> > >

> > > To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to move. "

> I do

> > > feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I have

> two

> > > teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

> > >

> > > Not always easy,I know.

> > >

> > > Sheilah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > CE Grim BS, MS, MD

> >

> > High Blood Pressure Consulting

> >

> > Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Education Consulting

> > Inc.(sharedcareinc.com)

> >

> > Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine Medical and Cardiology

> > Medical College of Wisconsin

> >

> > Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

> >

> > Interests:

> > 1. Difficult to control high blood pressure.

> > 2. The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

> pressure

> > in human populations.

> > 3. Improving blood pressure measurement in the office and out.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OK...my BP is Xtremely high..and my potassium is low.I just had blood

work done,so don't know if it is as low as it was.

My BP was 220/140.

Sheilah

In hyperaldosteronism , Lowerbp2 <lowerbp2@...> wrote:

>

> K is potassium

> If your BP has not been high or your k low you may not be at the

best

> site for your health problems so we need more medical details

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> CE Grim MS MD

> Specializing in Difficult Hypertension

> Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Education Comsulting

Inc

> Sharedcareinc@...

>

> On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Sheilah <beachboyfan1@...> wrote:

>

> > Being concerned with my health is very new for me...but I am

really

> > trying.I hate to say this now,but I don't even know what you mean

> > when you say " K is low... "

> >

> > I lived most of my life foolishly.Eating and drinking what I

> > wanted,with no thought of any consequences.And,that has caught up

> > with me.I must have a pretty good immune system,cause it's been

over

> > 10 years since I've had so much as a cold.I attribute this to

> > drinking lots of water, orange juice and washing my hands often.

> >

> > Mainly,though,if I start to feel sick,I tell myself its in my

head.It

> > irks my Mama to no end if I tell her, " It is all in your head,just

> > say,No I'm not getting sick. "

> >

> > Dave asked me to join this group months ago.He saw I was putting

my

> > life at risk.I am now trying to learn how to change my

> > lifestyle.Since an early age I put salt on

> > everything...watermelon,cucumbers,green apples.Just cover them

with

> > salt from the shaker.I spent many a summer day in the tomato patch

> > with a salt shaker.Well,not the entire day.I had a friend who once

> > said, " you don't eat watermelon.You eat the salt. "

> >

> > I know I have a long way to go.And,...he is 66 now.He doesn't

> > move like he once did either.

> >

> > Sheilah

> >

> > In hyperaldosteronism , Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > This does not work if your K is low.

> > >

> > > should have had a second verse-

> > >

> > > " But if your K is low it won't be smooth

> > >

> > > You may think you can do it

> > > but your muscles may quit. "

> > >

> > > You will cramp and twitch and draw

> > > and you hands will look like a claw.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > etc al la poetic license.

> > >

> > > Some one needs to do an Ode to K.

> > >

> > > Or an ode to PA even better.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > CE Grim MD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Sheilah wrote:

> > >

> > > > I have a theory that all fatigue can be cured by just getting

up

> > and

> > > > moving one step at a time.Like..energy creates energy.Start

> > slowly and

> > > > increase gradually.

> > > >

> > > > To quote , " You gotta get your poor ole body to

move. "

> > I do

> > > > feel its the fact that I do this that I'm still going.Plus,I

have

> > two

> > > > teenagers at home,and one has Autism.

> > > >

> > > > Not always easy,I know.

> > > >

> > > > Sheilah

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > May your pressure be low!

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > CE Grim BS, MS, MD

> > >

> > > High Blood Pressure Consulting

> > >

> > > Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Education

Consulting

> > > Inc.(sharedcareinc.com)

> > >

> > > Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine Medical and Cardiology

> > > Medical College of Wisconsin

> > >

> > > Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

> > >

> > > Interests:

> > > 1. Difficult to control high blood pressure.

> > > 2. The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

> > pressure

> > > in human populations.

> > > 3. Improving blood pressure measurement in the office and out.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi All`~

I have a question, that someone on here might have some insight to... I have

been taking the VCO, am diabetic (treat with meds) , take HGH (for only about a

month)~  take a multivitamin, Ester C and 2 baby aspirin a day~~ Yet I am

incredibly tired...exhausted......

I read somewhere in the group post about those who are not vitamin deficient

getting the most out of HGH..... I wondered if that is the case with myself....

I know without really knowing me, and certainly not being my physician....you

cannot diagnose, however I wondered if anyone had any suggestions....???

 

Thanks~~

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Not personally familiar with HGH, EsterC, etc, but have been doing my

best to use wholefoods all my adult life, - nevertheless have

experienced the same as yourself in terms of exhaustion throughout this

time.

Just recently I have come to the realization that what I most likely

have is ME, and at the same time have learnt from the website below that

this is quite possibly simply a sleep disorder.

If correct (and it seems to have proved so for many others) this would

make a lot of sense to me as well.

I am still in the process of submitting details for the free personal

survey, the results of which should provide a degree of a tailored

recovery program.

I am not necessarily convinced that even if this understanding of ME is

correct that it would nevertheless still provide a solution in my own

particular case, however it definitely seems worth investigating and it

would be interesting to know if any other forum members have experience

of Teitelbaums' approach!

http://www.endfatigue.com/about-dr-t/Index.html

<http://www.endfatigue.com/about-dr-t/Index.html>

Hope that helps some, Lynn, as another possibilty?

Best regards,

Harry W

London, UK

[Guest guest]

Lynn, if the HGH you are taking is not injected it won't do anything

at all; research has shown it is simply digested like any other large

protein. This is why there exists no HGH oral even by prescription.

Further, a 4-oz bottle of the most powerful HGH oral you can buy over

the counter represents only a single dose even if you injected it.

Either of those reasons would be why you are not getting results.

A specific amino acid stack on the other hand maxes out your HGH

release to youthful levels with every dose and produces stellar

results in 96 out of 100 people. I've been using SomaLife gHP for

years and this is the product we've been discussing on this list:

http://somalife.net/duncancrow/index2.html

According to research aspirin users have a " poor prognosis " in the

event of a haemorrhagic stroke, even if they've been taking the

anticoagulant for only 3 months. There are better ways to thin the

blood, for example BlockBuster All Clear. It is not an anticoagulant

but it does reduce spontaneous coagulation (coagulopathy) with enzymes

as opposed to drugs.

Besides dropping the aspirin the best thing you can do is use

undenatured whey and selenium. Not only does it promote the master

antioxidant, this molecule is the strongest detoxifier precisely when

you need to lift the biological load toxins produce, and it is

directly used in the energy creation (ATP) cycle in your cells.

Increasing this molecule should be a normal part of an anti-aging or

metabolic increase campaign such as body-building. Most diabetic

complications relate to low glutathione; some data from prwritten

PubMed queries appears here:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

Duncan

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> Hi All`~

> I have a question, that someone on here might have some insight

to... I have been taking the VCO, am diabetic (treat with meds) , take

HGH (for only about a month)~  take a multivitamin, Ester C and 2 baby

aspirin a day~~ Yet I am incredibly tired...exhausted......

> I read somewhere in the group post about those who are not vitamin

deficient getting the most out of HGH..... I wondered if that is the

case with myself.... I know without really knowing me, and certainly

not being my physician....you cannot diagnose, however I wondered if

anyone had any suggestions....???

>  

> Thanks~~

> Lynn

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[Guest guest]

Lynn,

 

Used to get very tired, can't get up, too weak, and it goes away when i take a

sheet of toasted nori (the sushi wrapper - paper thin seaweed).  This works

wonders for me.  Take epsom-  and sea-  salts baths too.

 

I recently learned i am deficient in iodine and very very low in magnesium and

D3.  I now supplement with magnesium citrate  and take iodoral for my iodine

deficiency and D-3 capsules (6ooo IU).

 

So my advise to you is get your magnesium, iodine and D-3 checked.

 

[Guest guest]

The Vitamin C Foundation doesn't recommend Ester C. A Good quality

Vitmain C should boost your energy levels and help your heart as

well. - http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/esterc.htm

>

> Hi All`~

> I have a question, that someone on here might have some insight

to... I have been taking the VCO, am diabetic (treat with meds) ,

take HGH (for only about a month)~  take a multivitamin, Ester C and

2 baby aspirin a day~~ Yet I am incredibly tired...exhausted......

> I read somewhere in the group post about those who are not vitamin

deficient getting the most out of HGH..... I wondered if that is the

case with myself.... I know without really knowing me, and certainly

not being my physician....you cannot diagnose, however I wondered if

anyone had any suggestions....???

>  

> Thanks~~

> Lynn