Re: Re: Natural Cure For RA

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While I think mind over matter can work for some people, my RA is a biological dysfunction of my immune system and short of a complete blood and bone marrow transplant ( research is being done) there is no cure for this disease. Remission is possible but not permanent for many. Remember that sadly there is too much money in the disease than there is in the cure. Researchers will work toward a cure and help you manage your disease but if they found a cure, would there be a need for specialists, labs. Indeed the entire system of economy is only set up as a system of controls to keep you dependant on medications and the doctors who prescribe them, and the big pharma and universitys who make them. Hugs, Deborah

On 11/18/06, hookedonpopcorn <hookedonpopcorn@...> wrote:

prathiba n <pr_athiba@...> wrote:***I'm Prathiba suffering from RA for past 4 yrs, and this year my issues were beyond my Doctor's control..... so this is what I did, since I'm Indian we have some of the most old natural medicines - herbal capsules and Power form medicine... along with special herbal oil massage. I have started with this medicine and now I CAN DO ANYTHING ON MY OWN can walk and get up from my seat without any pain.***

I'm so glad the herbal medicines are helping your pain and you can physically do things again. For me, RA drugs prescribed by my dr were the miracle. The drugs made it possible for me to physically do

most things I did prior to RA, and I only have pain occasionally. Also, I occasionally have a wrist, ankle or finger swell up but it doesn't last more than 2-4 days. Each of our bodies are different, so I'm glad both of us have found what works for us.

***My herbal doc has promised me that my issues will get cured within another 2 months.... now I have finished only 22 days.... total treatment period is 3 months. There is cure for RA....***

Are you saying after 3 months of taking herbal capsules your Dr has promised your RA is cured and you won't need the natural medicines anymore? Or, do you mean the symptoms will be under control with continued use herbal pills? Jean

[Guest guest]

It sounds as though you believe specialists, labs, universities and pharmaceutical companies would prefer that a cure is never found. I think that’s spectacularly unfair to the people who spend their lives looking for ways to ease our pain and suffering. Remember, they didn’t cause your illness, and without them, you’d be much worse off--I’d be crippled, as someone who got the disease at age 14 100 years ago would be. I’m profoundly grateful that the new biologics are preventing lots of children today from suffering as I did. These drugs replace older ones, and yet, here they are.

It’s likelier that there would be a prevention than a cure, I believe, given how few illnesses currently are “curable” but how many vaccines there are. Naturally pharmaceutical companies want to make money, like any other company, but they didn’t cause my illness and I’m positive they would find a way to make money from a cure as well. I just can’t think of even one example of a disease whose cure or prevention was delayed by “big business” so I don’t understand your assumption here. I know conspiracy theory can be a comforting thing when you’re faced with a situation with seemingly no control or reason, but I do think it’s really unfair to the researchers, the universities, and the doctors who devote their lives to us, whatever their private motivations may be.

From: Deborah Bargad <dbargad@...>

Reply- " Rheumatoid Arthritis " <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 05:24:18 -0400

" Rheumatoid Arthritis " <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Subject: Re: Re: Natural Cure For RA

While I think mind over matter can work for some people, my RA is a biological dysfunction of my immune system and short of a complete blood and bone marrow transplant ( research is being done) there is no cure for this disease. Remission is possible but not permanent for many. Remember that sadly there is too much money in the disease than there is in the cure. Researchers will work toward a cure and help you manage your disease but if they found a cure, would there be a need for specialists, labs. Indeed the entire system of economy is only set up as a system of controls to keep you dependant on medications and the doctors who prescribe them, and the big pharma and universitys who make them. Hugs, Deborah

On 11/18/06, hookedonpopcorn <hookedonpopcorn@...> wrote:

prathiba n <pr_athiba@...> wrote:

***I'm Prathiba suffering from RA for past 4 yrs, and this year my

issues were beyond my Doctor's control..... so this is what I did,

since I'm Indian we have some of the most old natural medicines -

herbal capsules and Power form medicine... along with special

herbal oil massage. I have started with this medicine and now I CAN

DO ANYTHING ON MY OWN can walk and get up from my seat without any

pain.***

I'm so glad the herbal medicines are helping your pain and you can

physically do things again. For me, RA drugs prescribed by my dr

were the miracle. The drugs made it possible for me to physically do

most things I did prior to RA, and I only have pain occasionally.

Also, I occasionally have a wrist, ankle or finger swell up but it

doesn't last more than 2-4 days. Each of our bodies are different,

so I'm glad both of us have found what works for us.

***My herbal doc has promised me that my issues will get cured

within another 2 months.... now I have finished only 22 days....

total treatment period is 3 months.

There is cure for RA....***

Are you saying after 3 months of taking herbal capsules your Dr has

promised your RA is cured and you won't need the natural medicines

anymore? Or, do you mean the symptoms will be under control with

continued use herbal pills?

Jean

[Guest guest]

Gwen wrote: It’s likelier that there would be a prevention than a cure, I believe, given how few illnesses currently are “curable” but how many vaccines there are.

Ardeith writes: Since I've seen nothing to indicate RA is caused by any virus, I doubt a vaccine will be developed. I doubt any way to prevent it will be found until we learn enough to do "surgery" on our own DNA to eliminate the allele that causes our immune systems to go haywire.......

In the meantime, I'm glad I don't have to depend on willowbark tea for pain relief.....

Ardy

[Guest guest]

I also feel that economics is a strong

driving factor in everything we do including medicine. Insurance

companies make money when people stay healthy and lose money when people need

expensive treatments to manage their illnesses. They also control what we

must take for a treatment before they will pay for expensive medicines.

They can’t prescribe medications or keep us from filling prescriptions so

they don’t control our treatment but they do control what they will pay

for. They pay less if we get cured than if we continue treatment.

The insurance companies continually look for ways to save money and if there

were a sure cure for RA they would not pay for the expensive continuing

treatments because they would insist we use the sure cure instead. As

long as insurance companies pay for expensive treatments we can be sure that

there is no sure cure for RA. God bless.

From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Deborah Bargad

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006

1:24 AM

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: Re:

Re: Natural Cure For RA

While I think mind over matter can work for some

people, my RA is a biological dysfunction of my immune system and short of a

complete blood and bone marrow transplant ( research is being done) there is no

cure for this disease. Remission is possible but not permanent for

many. Remember that sadly there is too much money in the disease than

there is in the cure. Researchers will work toward a cure and help you

manage your disease but if they found a cure, would there be a need for

specialists, labs. Indeed the entire system of economy is only set

up as a system of controls to keep you dependant on medications and the

doctors who prescribe them, and the big pharma and universitys who make

them. Hugs, Deborah

[Guest guest]

actually new reports suggest it may not be an auto-immune disease after all. In

any case, my real point is that I believe we'll have prevention sooner than

cure, and we agree on that!

Sent from my treo

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From: " Ardeith " <ardeith@...>

Subj: Re: Re: Natural Cure For RA

Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:41 pm

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<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Gwen wrote:

It’s likelier that there would be a prevention than a cure, I believe, given

how few illnesses currently are “curable” but how many vaccines there are.

Ardeith writes: Since I've seen nothing to indicate RA is caused by any virus,

I doubt a vaccine will be developed. I doubt any way to prevent it will be

found until we learn enough to do " surgery " on our own DNA to eliminate the

allele that causes our immune systemsto gohaywire.......

In the meantime, I'm glad I don't have to depend on willowbark tea for pain

relief.....

Ardy

Messages in this topic (9

[Guest guest]

Dear Gwen- I am grateful for your insight. I simply see the cycle of dependency starting from a patients perspective, not from a doctors or a researchers. I am grateful to them of course but I am cynical given the recent Medicare Part D " Bushian " political big pharma. I think stem cell research which was shot down by the current administration is a step in a hopeful direction in the future. Unavoidably, politics and medicine do go hand in hand. Yours, Deborah

On 11/19/06, Gwen Orel <gwenorel@...> wrote:

It sounds as though you believe specialists, labs, universities and pharmaceutical companies would prefer that a cure is never found. I think that's spectacularly unfair to the people who spend their lives looking for ways to ease our pain and suffering. Remember, they didn't cause your illness, and without them, you'd be much worse off--I'd be crippled, as someone who got the disease at age 14 100 years ago would be. I'm profoundly grateful that the new biologics are preventing lots of children today from suffering as I did. These drugs replace older ones, and yet, here they are. It's likelier that there would be a prevention than a cure, I believe, given how few illnesses currently are "curable" but how many vaccines there are. Naturally pharmaceutical companies want to make money, like any other company, but they didn't cause my illness and I'm positive they would find a way to make money from a cure as well. I just can't think of even one example of a disease whose cure or prevention was delayed by "big business" so I don't understand your assumption here. I know conspiracy theory can be a comforting thing when you're faced with a situation with seemingly no control or reason, but I do think it's really unfair to the researchers, the universities, and the doctors who devote their lives to us, whatever their private motivations may be.

From: Deborah Bargad <dbargad@...>Reply- " Rheumatoid Arthritis " <

Rheumatoid Arthritis >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 05:24:18 -0400 "

Rheumatoid Arthritis " <Rheumatoid Arthritis >Subject: Re: Re: Natural Cure For RA While I think mind over matter can work for some people, my RA is a biological dysfunction of my immune system and short of a complete blood and bone marrow transplant ( research is being done) there is no cure for this disease. Remission is possible but not permanent for many. Remember that sadly there is too much money in the disease than there is in the cure. Researchers will work toward a cure and help you manage your disease but if they found a cure, would there be a need for specialists, labs. Indeed the entire system of economy is only set up as a system of controls to keep you dependant on medications and the doctors who prescribe them, and the big pharma and universitys who make them. Hugs, Deborah On 11/18/06, hookedonpopcorn <hookedonpopcorn > wrote:

prathiba n <pr_athiba@...> wrote:***I'm Prathiba suffering from RA for past 4 yrs, and this year my issues were beyond my Doctor's control..... so this is what I did, since I'm Indian we have some of the most old natural medicines - herbal capsules and Power form medicine... along with special herbal oil massage. I have started with this medicine and now I CAN DO ANYTHING ON MY OWN can walk and get up from my seat without any pain.*** I'm so glad the herbal medicines are helping your pain and you can physically do things again. For me, RA drugs prescribed by my dr were the miracle. The drugs made it possible for me to physically do most things I did prior to RA, and I only have pain occasionally. Also, I occasionally have a wrist, ankle or finger swell up but it doesn't last more than 2-4 days. Each of our bodies are different, so I'm glad both of us have found what works for us. ***My herbal doc has promised me that my issues will get cured within another 2 months.... now I have finished only 22 days.... total treatment period is 3 months. There is cure for RA....***

Are you saying after 3 months of taking herbal capsules your Dr has promised your RA is cured and you won't need the natural medicines anymore? Or, do you mean the symptoms will be under control with continued use herbal pills?

[Guest guest]

Oh, indubitably politics and medicine are related, but stem-cell research is being quashed less for financial reasons than religious ones. I’m a patient too, and have been for over 25 years.

If there were a cure/prevention, no doubt there’d be a way to profit from it!

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jean! If you can give up ice cream, then I will give up potatoes,

and maybe we with both be 1/2 as much better than before.gentle hugs!

marcia

--- hookedonpopcorn <hookedonpopcorn@...> wrote:

>

>

> *******

> There is a cure for RA....

>

> Diet tips on to avoid too much pain, things to be avoided

>

> 1, Prawns, sea food... but Sear fish you can take.

> 2, Potatoes

> 3, Cold Drinks and Ice creams....

> ********

>

> Ok, I can easily give up the cold drinks. Crab legs would be really

> hard, but I could do if it did help a lot. BTW, I was told salmon

> was good for RA by my DR. I'm not sure I can give up potatoes and

> ice cream. I would if my meds didn't stop most of the pain and

> swelling.

>

> Once you are cured of RA you shouldn't need a special diet. Right?

> If you're cured that means you don't have the illness. Or, did you

> mean to say your RA would be under control in 3 months?

>

> Good luck with your program. I'm glad it's working for you.

>

> Jean

>

>

>

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Harold

You are absolutely right. Our government, insurance companies, advertisements, you name it all have a big part. I have been told too that each day your doctor enters his office over half of his patients seen on a given day are not, but rather company agents out there with 'samples' of new products. They leave boxes of these samples with your doctor, who in turn without that much info on is now obligated to try them out on his patients. This then gives the doctor good repore with that agent, in the end both making the $$$$. If the sample works for you, out comes the prescription pad and more $ in the doctors pocket when filled in. You look at the TV and what are half the advertisements these days. A new pill for this, another one for that. We get that image in our head and get sucked right in. That company paid highly for that space on the network and up goes the price of the pill given.

One vicious circle out there. This is why I would rather go for the supplement route and get to the base of the problem with less side effects. You are also knowing what you are getting, if you can eat as one doctor put it they are not going to hurt you, being completely safe for consumption.

Take care and God Bless

HopeDegenerative Disease Informationjuliehope@...

Saskatchewan, CanadaTel: 1 306 648-2642 (CST)http://www.4betrhealth.com

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From: Harold Van Tuyl

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:34 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Natural Cure For RA

I also feel that economics is a strong driving factor in everything we do including medicine. Insurance companies make money when people stay healthy and lose money when people need expensive treatments to manage their illnesses. They also control what we must take for a treatment before they will pay for expensive medicines. They can’t prescribe medications or keep us from filling prescriptions so they don’t control our treatment but they do control what they will pay for. They pay less if we get cured than if we continue treatment. The insurance companies continually look for ways to save money and if there were a sure cure for RA they would not pay for the expensive continuing treatments because they would insist we use the sure cure instead. As long as insurance companies pay for expensive treatments we can be sure that there is no sure cure for RA. God bless.

From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Deborah BargadSent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:24 AMRheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: Re: Natural Cure For RA

While I think mind over matter can work for some people, my RA is a biological dysfunction of my immune system and short of a complete blood and bone marrow transplant ( research is being done) there is no cure for this disease. Remission is possible but not permanent for many. Remember that sadly there is too much money in the disease than there is in the cure. Researchers will work toward a cure and help you manage your disease but if they found a cure, would there be a need for specialists, labs. Indeed the entire system of economy is only set up as a system of controls to keep you dependant on medications and the doctors who prescribe them, and the big pharma and universitys who make them. Hugs, Deborah