Re: My results for treatment of hiv

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you so much for your report. It's people like you who take the time to

report results good or bad that really provide a perspective for all of us

" experimenters " . It's results that count over the long run.

Jack

My results for treatment of hiv

I had wanted to hold off before posting this, but as it seems there are a lot of

people here who are hungry for information, I'm going ahead. These

conclusions are preliminary, but the blood test results are encouraging. If I

didn't think they were significant, I would wait another five months to report.

To sum up, my involvement in serious, electro-medical protocols is mostly

recent, just the past six or seven months. I had dabbled mind you, but not to

the extent that I have this year. This time period coincides with a verifiable

improvement, over-all, of my blood chemistry. Some would question the need

to even follow the CD4 counts, or the viral load numbers, but I use them here

as at least some indication of what the protocols are accomplishing, and as a

general guage of my health. I hope this helps anyone who is thinking about

trying these methods. Really, they are safe and I believe, effective. You have

nothing to loose...

Subject info

a. age: 51

b. condition: hiv+

c. none

Experimental microelectricity

a. What device was used?

Sota Silver Pulser, Sota Magnetic Pulser, M-Pulse 5000

b. How many minutes per session, how many sessions per day?

Silver Pulser as much as 24/7 for about 30 days (WAY too much), usually 20

minutes a day, 3 days a week with the magnetic pulsers (probably not

enough)

e. Placement of electrodes? Silver Pulser:

each of 2 pulse points on either wrist, one wrist at a time. Magnetic Pulser,

all

over my body, with special attention given to the lymph and intestinal areas.

f. How often were electrodes reversed? Not needed

Medical treatment

a. What medications or other treatment currently? Anti-virals: Sustiva,

Truvada, daily

b. If none, what was proposed by doctor or other provider?

c. What treatment in the past? Just as stated above

d. Any treatment effective so far?

Recent tests show a marked improvement of CD4 counts, up to 147 from

about 84 four months ago. Viral Load: 50 (or undetectable)

e. Any serious side effects to other treatments? Absolutely none

Results

a. Symptoms (better, worse, unchanged)

I had no symptoms prior to, or subsequently

b. Signs (medical tests such as blood tests, etc) better, worse, unchanged:

Since my CD4's had been trending downward over the past 12 mos. or so,

this dramatic upward move seems conclusively and convincingly that these

electro-medical protocols are valid.

g. Electrical treatment side effects, phys, mental: Absolutely none

h. What do you see as advantages/drawbacks over other treatments?

Obviously, electro-medicine is completely non-invasive, a whole lot cheaper

and certainly non-poisonous like the meds.

i. Overall opinion of the treatment, any benefits besides disease treatment?:

Still very hopeful, very confident that this disease process can be totally

eliminated in time with the application of electro-medicine

j. Would you recommend it (or not) to others:

I recommend it every chance I get, to anyone who will listen.

k. Lessons learned for benefit of next user of treatment:

Go slow, expect things to occur more slowly than you want. It seems to me

that the time it takes for the CD4's to " bounce back " as they say, is much more

than the predicted 30 days or so, at least it seems that way in my case. I've

been hiv infected over 19 years though, and this gives added credence to the

facts we now know, that hiv lives and reproduces in the gut. I now give more

emphasis to the magnetic pulsing than the blood electrification, since the

addition of the anti-virals seems to do a good job of keeping the blood clear.

Bob Beck used to say, don't mess with the protocol, do it as we have outlined

it and you will get the same results we did. I know that he did a LOT of

research, and I think this is sound advice.

l. Anything to add, people who helped, etc:

What can I say, this newsgroup has revolutionized my thinking about electro-

medicine. Before I was really groping in the dark, now I can proceed with

more confidence, armed with the input and information that others have

provided. My medical odyssey is just beginning though. I will get more blood

work done in 5 mos. and hope that the improvements will be even more

dramatic. I plan to continue the magnetic pulsing especially for the first 2 of

these 5 mos., along with the drugs continuously. I fully expect to see dramatic

improvement in CD4 counts, and ultimately to discontinue the pharmaceutical

poisons all together, to change my health insurance coverage to a more

" sane " and managable monthly expense, as well as to cross the names of all

my M.D.'s off my Christmas card list. My general health has already been

good, so there are no more expectations in that regard, other than to hope

that that situation remains the same. My thanks to all.

Kluesner

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Excellent work, ! I'll file in our files.

If you wanted my one tweak to what you are doing it'd be this:

Make a set of godzilla gloves or pads using 5 of the specified

electrodes used in the gloves design, and apply this daily for about

10 minutes to the intestinal areas. Move them around every few

minutes, reverse sides to alter polarity. That should act to reduce

the virus in place more quickly than the mag pulsers. You could also

simply attach a pad to the head of the pulser and a second pad by

itself while using the pulser to kill two birds with one stone.

Prepare for dieoffs using that! I think you can speed it up greatly

doing that.

You're welcome. I hope you will post frequently and never doubt we

need this information more than you could ever imagine.

Thanks again, and good luck with it.

PS: Beck did not really know about the gut infestation of HIV. The

magnetic pulser alone may not be able to fully deal with it, so I

caution you against despair if you see the CD4 drop again just doing

what you are doing. In my opinion that could happen. Also, you

can't keep this up forever without a lot of hassle, so the gloves

idea could lower your dependency to a maintenance dose once a week

for a few minutes. You will find your way with it, but I want to

hammer on this gloves idea...it's much more effective than any power

you are applying in terms of time for the effect...a cold gone in 5

minutes applied time versus an hour applied time. There has to be

enough current in the area and the pulsers can only do so much of it.

bG

>

> I had wanted to hold off before posting this, but as it seems there

are a lot of

> people here who are hungry for information, I'm going ahead. These

> conclusions are preliminary, but the blood test results are

encouraging. If I

> didn't think they were significant, I would wait another five

months to report.

> To sum up, my involvement in serious, electro-medical protocols is

mostly

> recent, just the past six or seven months. I had dabbled mind you,

but not to

> the extent that I have this year. This time period coincides with a

verifiable

> improvement, over-all, of my blood chemistry. Some would question

the need

> to even follow the CD4 counts, or the viral load numbers, but I use

them here

> as at least some indication of what the protocols are

accomplishing, and as a

> general guage of my health. I hope this helps anyone who is

thinking about

> trying these methods. Really, they are safe and I believe,

effective. You have

> nothing to loose...

>

>

>

> Subject info

> a. age: 51

> b. condition: hiv+

> c. none

>

> Experimental microelectricity

> a. What device was used?

> Sota Silver Pulser, Sota Magnetic Pulser, M-Pulse 5000

> b. How many minutes per session, how many sessions per day?

> Silver Pulser as much as 24/7 for about 30 days (WAY too much),

usually 20

> minutes a day, 3 days a week with the magnetic pulsers (probably

not

> enough)

> e. Placement of electrodes? Silver Pulser:

> each of 2 pulse points on either wrist, one wrist at a time.

Magnetic Pulser, all

> over my body, with special attention given to the lymph and

intestinal areas.

> f. How often were electrodes reversed? Not needed

>

> Medical treatment

> a. What medications or other treatment currently? Anti-virals:

Sustiva,

> Truvada, daily

> b. If none, what was proposed by doctor or other provider?

> c. What treatment in the past? Just as stated above

> d. Any treatment effective so far?

> Recent tests show a marked improvement of CD4 counts, up to 147

from

> about 84 four months ago. Viral Load: 50 (or undetectable)

> e. Any serious side effects to other treatments? Absolutely none

>

> Results

> a. Symptoms (better, worse, unchanged)

> I had no symptoms prior to, or subsequently

> b. Signs (medical tests such as blood tests, etc) better, worse,

unchanged:

> Since my CD4's had been trending downward over the past 12 mos. or

so,

> this dramatic upward move seems conclusively and convincingly that

these

> electro-medical protocols are valid.

> g. Electrical treatment side effects, phys, mental: Absolutely none

> h. What do you see as advantages/drawbacks over other treatments?

> Obviously, electro-medicine is completely non-invasive, a whole lot

cheaper

> and certainly non-poisonous like the meds.

> i. Overall opinion of the treatment, any benefits besides disease

treatment?:

> Still very hopeful, very confident that this disease process can be

totally

> eliminated in time with the application of electro-medicine

> j. Would you recommend it (or not) to others:

> I recommend it every chance I get, to anyone who will listen.

> k. Lessons learned for benefit of next user of treatment:

> Go slow, expect things to occur more slowly than you want. It seems

to me

> that the time it takes for the CD4's to " bounce back " as they say,

is much more

> than the predicted 30 days or so, at least it seems that way in my

case. I've

> been hiv infected over 19 years though, and this gives added

credence to the

> facts we now know, that hiv lives and reproduces in the gut. I now

give more

> emphasis to the magnetic pulsing than the blood electrification,

since the

> addition of the anti-virals seems to do a good job of keeping the

blood clear.

> Bob Beck used to say, don't mess with the protocol, do it as we

have outlined

> it and you will get the same results we did. I know that he did a

LOT of

> research, and I think this is sound advice.

> l. Anything to add, people who helped, etc:

> What can I say, this newsgroup has revolutionized my thinking about

electro-

> medicine. Before I was really groping in the dark, now I can

proceed with

> more confidence, armed with the input and information that others

have

> provided. My medical odyssey is just beginning though. I will get

more blood

> work done in 5 mos. and hope that the improvements will be even

more

> dramatic. I plan to continue the magnetic pulsing especially for

the first 2 of

> these 5 mos., along with the drugs continuously. I fully expect to

see dramatic

> improvement in CD4 counts, and ultimately to discontinue the

pharmaceutical

> poisons all together, to change my health insurance coverage to a

more

> " sane " and managable monthly expense, as well as to cross the names

of all

> my M.D.'s off my Christmas card list. My general health has already

been

> good, so there are no more expectations in that regard, other than

to hope

> that that situation remains the same. My thanks to all.

>

> Kluesner

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Excellent work, ! I'll file in our files.

>

> If you wanted my one tweak to what you are doing it'd be this:

>

> Make a set of godzilla gloves or pads using 5 of the specified

> electrodes used in the gloves design, and apply this daily for about

> 10 minutes to the intestinal areas. Move them around every few

> minutes, reverse sides to alter polarity. That should act to reduce

> the virus in place more quickly than the mag pulsers. You could also

> simply attach a pad to the head of the pulser and a second pad by

> itself while using the pulser to kill two birds with one stone.

> Prepare for dieoffs using that! I think you can speed it up greatly

> doing that.

>

> You're welcome. I hope you will post frequently and never doubt we

> need this information more than you could ever imagine.

>

> Thanks again, and good luck with it.

>

> PS: Beck did not really know about the gut infestation of HIV. The

> magnetic pulser alone may not be able to fully deal with it, so I

> caution you against despair if you see the CD4 drop again just doing

> what you are doing. In my opinion that could happen. Also, you

> can't keep this up forever without a lot of hassle, so the gloves

> idea could lower your dependency to a maintenance dose once a week

> for a few minutes. You will find your way with it, but I want to

> hammer on this gloves idea...it's much more effective than any power

> you are applying in terms of time for the effect...a cold gone in 5

> minutes applied time versus an hour applied time. There has to be

> enough current in the area and the pulsers can only do so much of it.

>

> bG

bG,

Your input is greatly appreciated. I had the items assembled to put together a

set of gloves and was planning to do just that, until I had to surrender my

battery to my Mother, who's flashlight had died. I haven't replaced it yet...

In the meantime though, I've been thinking a lot about the next five months of

treatment. You are correct that Bob Beck didn't know about the virus/gut

connection, and it's for this reason that I believe he would have altered his

protocol to emphasize the magnetic pulsing even more than the blood

electrification, had he been armed with this more recent information. His take

then was to attack the lymph system with mag. pulsing because he knew that

his blood electrification didn't reach that area specifically. That's the only

modification that I would recommend to his protocol now, greater emphasis

on mag. pulsing in the gut areas. In regard to using the gloves, and expediting

the whole process, I'm inclined to agree, except for one important reason: in

the interest of research, I'd like to stick to the Beck protocol as closely as

possible, using the Sota devices that I have already purchased. I would like to

be able to say that I accomplished something significant, just using these

devices ALONE, save for the pharmacuetical assist of course. It's not that I

don't think that the godzilla devices are viable, I think they are, it's just in

the

best interest of scientific research to isolate the treatments as much as

possible. We are researchers here, after all. If after five months using the

Sota

devices I'm not seeing sustained, significant improvement, I will switch to the

godzilla ones and try them to the exclusion of others.

ly, I don't think it will be necessary after all, because I think I've

already

accomplished my goals. Let me explain. You mentioned die-offs, and I

believe I've already experienced just that already. Back earlier this year, in a

bold move, I stopped taking my anti-virals while I pursued the blood

electrification techniques. I figured, what the hell, if the BE techniques

worked

like I thought they would, a few months off the meds would demonstrate their

effectiveness. When my CD4's returned dramatically lower, fully six weeks

after the BE and stopping the pharmaceuticals, I was surprised and

disappointed. I thought that this would be a long enough time for the numbers

to " bounce back " . I allowed my nurse practitioner to convince me that my labs

were off because I stopped my meds, so I jumped back on the meds and

continued my BE mag. pulsing. And it wasn't just the labs, I also experienced

some hair fall-out and general feeling of malaise. But now I'm not so sure.

Maybe the hair fall-out, the lower CD4's and the weakness I felt were actually

a result of the die off, just as Beck had predicted. If I were a really bold and

fearless researcher, I'd go off the meds again now and just do the electro-

medicine for the next four months. But I'm too chicken now, and I think that I

can persuade my nurse practitioner better anyway if I just have patience.

What's another five months after nineteen years, right?

I also want to mention that I realize I'm probably posting all of this on the

wrong newsgroup, given that this one is specifically aimed at the use of the

godzilla devices. But since I've been monitoring the other groups as well, and

this one seems to be more pro-active, I hope my presence here will be

tolerated further. Anyway, I'm sharing whatever information I have based on

my experiences, and will continue to update everybody on this newsgroup,

progress or no. Thanks for your support.

Kluesner

[Guest guest]

Yes, ,

Thank you so much for reporting your healing results. I was so happy

to read of your possitive results. I'm glad you didn't hold off on

reporting. Please keep us posted.

It's unfortunate that mainstream medicine does not offer the supports

and treatment options that we can discover for ourselvesthrough the

support of groups such as these.

Many Blessings in your healing journey,

>

> ,

> Thank you so much for your report. It's people like you who take

the time to report results good or bad that really provide a

perspective for all of us " experimenters " . It's results that count

over the long run.

>

> Jack

> My results for treatment of

hiv

>

>

> I had wanted to hold off before posting this, but as it seems there

are a lot of

> people here who are hungry for information, I'm going ahead. These

> conclusions are preliminary, but the blood test results are

encouraging. If I

> didn't think they were significant, I would wait another five

months to report.

[Guest guest]

of course you can and should report this stuff here. It will be

archived, read by thousands, stand out in a context that is not mixed

up with a million other things. I wish Beck had done that, though he

did enough as it was.

I will remove your moderation so you can post more easily. We will

be waiting on every word you have to say, even the weather.

I agree with you on all your strategy points. I'd add: stick with

your medical folks (they don't sound all that bad), watch closely to

see changes, continue what's working till it shows a need of change,

and above all report everything, even just a good day with nothing

happening, or a disaster, it is all very important. It's not that

you are so special, it's that nobody else is reporting HIV, nobody.

You'd think we'd have a torrent, we have nobody. It burns my ass to

think how much help they could be but it's apparently not that way in

their minds. I have to leave that to them and their caregivers, I

supply ideas and structure to try them.

You've got my free device anytime you want it, or leave it and use

another, it's fine with me. I don't care which one works or does not

work, so long as at least one hopefully does.

Nobody knew about HIV in the gut, it is a very recent discovery. HIV

also is transported by macrophages, no one thought of that, either.

So it can travel almost anywhere. The spleen and thymus is a good

target, in my opinion.

From what I've been able to glean in the little time and data I've

had to use, the original Beck mag pulser had a ringing current, or

oscillating output. This was due to using camera flashers as the

base. Instead of the thyristor, they used a coil, which acted almost

like a short, and burned out the capacitor quickly. It might have

had some germ effects due to the oscillating current causing the

magnetic field to colla SOTA's eliminated that since it killed

capacitors from wear and tear very quickly. Theirs now is a pure

spike of magnetic output. I think it may have lost some effects.

Beck might have found the need to electrify directly the gut area,

not depend on the magnetic pulser effects, in my opinion.

Some HIV may stick inside lymph nodes, and get moved along by the

pulsed magnetic field. But we now know that other HIV actually

invades dendrite cells in lymph nodes and those would not be subject

to removal by the fluid motion induced by the pulser. It could

multiply slowly and emit further HIV from the area eventually. What

about the current induced by the magnetic field in the body, wouldn't

that inactivate the virus just like the blood electrifier? Not likely.

Why not? Much larger spikes, thousands of volts, are used on HIV and

other virus to inject them into host cells by lab electroporators in

research every day, and these spikes do no harm to the virus. I'm

thinking this may be why our concept is falling on deaf ears in the

medical world (why would a small battery ruin a virus when a big

machine with many thousands of times the power does nothing to it?).

Here's why: If you add up the electrons and ions that move across a

virus when under influence of a spike-only mag pulser vs godzilla,

you will find that the shortness of duration (microseconds) of the

pulser output means magnitudes less electronic activity. The volume

of electrons determines the rate of viral inactivation, as found by

the Kaali and Lyman research. Chiefly, the time of flow was

important as well as the level of current. The magnetic pulser will

only deliver a small voltage in the body, and it will last only a few

microseconds. In one second, godzilla delivers up to a million times

longer duration, since it is " on " the whole time, while the pulser is

off 999,999 and on 1. That means in order to be equal to godzilla,

the pulser would need to deliver 6 million volts to godzilla's 6 to

get the same current flow. Not going to happen. I can't even

measure any current or voltage with a common meter using the magnetic

pulser. I sure can with godzilla.

I can't see any disturbance using an AC setting using the oscillating

pulser on the body, either. So far, I've not seen anything but

output charts of the device, but nothing measuring the currents in

the body from any magnetic pulser. They probably do something, and

if I were you I'd also like to find out using the pulser vs the

godzilla.

Keep those reports comin' in, and so much thanks, !!!

bG

>

> --- In , baby_grand <

> bG,

You are correct that Bob Beck didn't know about the virus/gut

> connection, and it's for this reason that I believe he would have

altered his

> protocol to emphasize the magnetic pulsing even more than the

blood

> electrification, had he been armed with this more recent

information. His take

> then was to attack the lymph system with mag. pulsing because he

knew that

> his blood electrification didn't reach that area specifically.

That's the only

> modification that I would recommend to his protocol now, greater

emphasis

> on mag. pulsing in the gut areas. In regard to using the gloves,

and expediting

> the whole process, I'm inclined to agree, except for one important

reason: in

> the interest of research, I'd like to stick to the Beck protocol as

closely as

> possible, using the Sota devices that I have already purchased. I

would like to

> be able to say that I accomplished something significant, just

using these

> devices ALONE, save for the pharmacuetical assist of course. It's

not that I

> don't think that the godzilla devices are viable, I think they are,

it's just in the

> best interest of scientific research to isolate the treatments as

much as

> possible. We are researchers here, after all. If after five months

using the Sota

> devices I'm not seeing sustained, significant improvement, I will

switch to the

> godzilla ones and try them to the exclusion of others.

> ly, I don't think it will be necessary after all, because I

think I've already

> accomplished my goals. Let me explain. You mentioned die-offs, and

I

> believe I've already experienced just that already. Back earlier

this year, in a

> bold move, I stopped taking my anti-virals while I pursued the

blood

> electrification techniques. I figured, what the hell, if the BE

techniques worked

> like I thought they would, a few months off the meds would

demonstrate their

> effectiveness. When my CD4's returned dramatically lower, fully six

weeks

> after the BE and stopping the pharmaceuticals, I was surprised and

> disappointed. I thought that this would be a long enough time for

the numbers

> to " bounce back " . I allowed my nurse practitioner to convince me

that my labs

> were off because I stopped my meds, so I jumped back on the meds

and

> continued my BE mag. pulsing. And it wasn't just the labs, I also

experienced

> some hair fall-out and general feeling of malaise. But now I'm not

so sure.

> Maybe the hair fall-out, the lower CD4's and the weakness I felt

were actually

> a result of the die off, just as Beck had predicted. If I were a

really bold and

> fearless researcher, I'd go off the meds again now and just do the

electro-

> medicine for the next four months. But I'm too chicken now, and I

think that I

> can persuade my nurse practitioner better anyway if I just have

patience.

> What's another five months after nineteen years, right?

> I also want to mention that I realize I'm probably posting

all of this on the

> wrong newsgroup, given that this one is specifically aimed at the

use of the

> godzilla devices. But since I've been monitoring the other groups

as well, and

> this one seems to be more pro-active, I hope my presence here will

be

> tolerated further. Anyway, I'm sharing whatever information I have

based on

> my experiences, and will continue to update everybody on this

newsgroup,

> progress or no. Thanks for your support.

>

> Kluesner

>

[Guest guest]

> PS: Beck did not really know about the gut infestation of HIV.

I thought colloidal silver would be able to deal with gut

infestation. There have been some testimonials of CS being used

alone to achieve negative status on blood tests.

[Guest guest]

That would be great if the CS got into the gut lining layers where

the virus hides. Blood tests may not reflect the whole story. The

person filing the report had an undetectable HIV blood count, yet CD4

cells were so low he needed HIV meds. He was not taking CS, I

believe, or was he? That's a test that ought to be made to find out

if CS will remove it in the gut linings.

Infected CD4 cells of course would not respond to CS, and when they

activated they would release more HIV into the gut again. They

probably would respond to DC current, blowing apart and spewing

fragments of virus, thus defeating the bug before it multiplies.

So, perhaps both DC applied to the gut lining area, plus CS would be

a good thing to try so as to reduce HIV overall and result in better

CD4 outcome?

bG

>

>

>

> > PS: Beck did not really know about the gut infestation of HIV.

>

> I thought colloidal silver would be able to deal with gut

> infestation. There have been some testimonials of CS being used

> alone to achieve negative status on blood tests.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> >

> > > PS: Beck did not really know about the gut infestation of HIV.

> >

> > I thought colloidal silver would be able to deal with gut

> > infestation. There have been some testimonials of CS being used

> > alone to achieve negative status on blood tests.

> >

Sorry if I forgot to mention CS as a part of my daily regimen, it is, and has

been for years. I use it topically whenever I get a cut or scrape, applied it to

my

aformentioned rashes to great relief, use it daily when I brush my teeth, and

drink it internally whenever I take medicine or supplements. I make it myself

from distilled water, and use a parts per million tester to be sure of the

quality

and strength. I make mine a little stronger than recommended, anywhere from

20 to 12 ppm. I thought it might help with my hiv infection, but that does not

appearl to be the case. I do believe it helps ward off OTHER infections

though, like colds and such, and can testify to its usefullness and efficacy in

every application I have mentioned. My brother also swears by it. He had a

general malaise for years (cronich fatique syndrome?), and was able to

quantify CS's effectiveness there, after about 6 months of orally ingesting it.

It's

truly amazing stuff!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I will add this info to the file,

best,

bG

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > PS: Beck did not really know about the gut infestation of

HIV.

> > >

> > > I thought colloidal silver would be able to deal with gut

> > > infestation. There have been some testimonials of CS being used

> > > alone to achieve negative status on blood tests.

> > >

> Sorry if I forgot to mention CS as a part of my daily regimen, it

is, and has

> been for years. I use it topically whenever I get a cut or scrape,

applied it to my

> aformentioned rashes to great relief, use it daily when I brush my

teeth, and

> drink it internally whenever I take medicine or supplements. I

make it myself

> from distilled water, and use a parts per million tester to be

sure of the quality

> and strength. I make mine a little stronger than recommended,

anywhere from

> 20 to 12 ppm. I thought it might help with my hiv infection, but

that does not

> appearl to be the case. I do believe it helps ward off OTHER

infections

> though, like colds and such, and can testify to its usefullness

and efficacy in

> every application I have mentioned. My brother also swears by it.

He had a

> general malaise for years (cronich fatique syndrome?), and was

able to

> quantify CS's effectiveness there, after about 6 months of orally

ingesting it. It's

> truly amazing stuff!

>