Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 I can;t tell you whether drinking with meals is right or wrong. I can only tell you that for me I firmly believe it to be one of the most significant changes I have made to my eating pattern. I refrain from drinking with meals and for 1.5-2 hrs following. I find that I feel satisfied much longer and at this point point have gotten used to the new eating pattern. I do have a glass of water available but will only have a sip or two if I feel the need to help nature get something down. When I was 600 lbs I can tell you I DRANK - LOTS with every meal. Could drink a 2 ltr " diet coke " with mega ice and be ready for more. Iced tea (unsweet) was consumed with meals by the gallon - I thought I literally had a hollow leg. The epiphany for me was when I saw an " eating contest " - where guys (usually, sorry chromosome brothers) try to eat 50 hot dogs in 5 minutes. In watching I noticed that they used liquid to soften the food, and then wash it down, basically making it easier to stuff ungodly amounts into their digestive tracts. I bet I could have been a prize winner if not the champion in my day. I saw myself in those guys and decided that the liquids were not simply a way to stay hydrated. It has been over two years post-op for me. I've maintained the 'control' of my drinking liquid with meals and for me I think it is an important change. Is it more than placebo - who knows - and honestly, who cares. I do know that when I do drink with dinner I tend to eat more. Again, may not be related but I don;t miss it and it at least gives me a psychological edge. I continue to bounce between 179 and 185 lbs but have found that my tolerance for foods is cyclical - sort of like a 'normal' person who may desire a taste of something one day and not care for anymore for the next month. Throwing out food which has outlasted its welcome in the fridge has been a new experience. As with my seven year old my " eyes tend to be bigger than my stomach " . But I feel in control, satisfied with never having to do 'without' anything I may want - even sweets - but knowing that rather than a whole french silk pie or two large sundaes I need to be prepared to eat a sliver of pie or share a kiddie with my daughter. Changing ordering patterns has been the biggest change to overcome when eating out or cooking. Small amounts are now enough to satisfy my infrequent sweet tooth. I have also learned that even eating a full cone has its consequences later on. Too much sugar is not good for me. In fact - if nothing else I have learned moderation in most foods and can, as a result, tolerate almost anything, with most problems coming from high carb foods. This is an adventure of trial and error. In working with prostate cancer patients on a daily basis I have found that what may work for one very well may not work at all for another. We are individuals. We need to understand that our bodies react as such and we need to find what works best for us. I am a firm believer in the drink less with meals theory. It works for me but is clearly not universally tolerated or necessary perhaps. The important thing is that even though I don;t drink with meals I do stay well hydrated between meals and before eating. I may not drink 3 gallons a day of liquid anymore, but I typically get in 3-5 quarts of liquid (typically water - even flavored I dilute it because of the sweetness). Although in the first year I drank mucho gatorade I found I began to dislike it - and the sweetness - after a year. I'm good on my vitamins and have added several other supplements for good measure and find I eat healthier, make better choices, feel better overall and this weekend even getting screened right after lunch had a glucose level of 84. Last time I went to the doctor my cholesterol was boarderline - borderline LOW - and I make no concerted effort to avoid fats. I listen to my body, give it what I think it is saying it needs (who would have known it had a mind of its own). Enough. All I can say is, it works for me and just like I tell pre-ops, the surgery is a tool which has helped me, but that doesn;t mean that I can stop using my brain. Understanding what my body needs and giving it that is important. The MGB for me was an indispensible tool to helping me do that effectively. Not dinking with meals is another 'tool' I use in my effort. Just as with anything else it may not be universal. JP Started at 600 lbs (May/June 2000) MGB at almost 400 lbs (Jan 2001) Today about 180 lbs and holding http://www.mgbfriends.com/indiv/j/jp.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 I am 10 months post-op and I (personally) find it difficult to drink while eating. Drinking while eating fills me up quicker and I get chest pressure. As a result of the pressure, I have to vomit to releive it. I doesn't occur so much if I eat and wait a little while before I drink. > Hello, > > RNY patients usually must be very careful about drinking with meals as they > often suffer more problems with abdominal pain and nausea. > > For MGB patients remember there are three stages in your post op diet (Read > the Manual) > > Stage 1 - 1-10 days post op You are only on liquids here any way. > Stage 2 - 10 days to 2 months Post op: You are soft foods and liquids so > small amounts of liquids are fine, lots of anything can hurt you > Stage 3 - 2 month on: Lost of anything will hurt you small amounts of > liquids are fine. > > Relax, eat small amounts slowly of most anything and you should be fine, > lots of anything fast will hurt. > > Simple. > > RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Thank you for this very informative post. I have been fortunate to be able to refrain from drinking while eating too, but I usually cave in after about 15-30 min. after a meal, especially if it's salty. I think you really hit on something about the liquid making it easier to eat more. I watch those eating contests, too (though it makes me a little nauseous). Your weight loss is fantastic and I'm very happy for you. I wish you continued success. Nov. 6, 2002 376/287 Re: Drinking with meals > I can;t tell you whether drinking with meals is right or wrong. I can only tell you that for me I firmly believe it to be one of the most significant changes I have made to my eating pattern. > > I refrain from drinking with meals and for 1.5-2 hrs following. I find that I feel satisfied much longer and at this point point have gotten used to the new eating pattern. I do have a glass of water available but will only have a sip or two if I feel the need to help nature get something down. > > When I was 600 lbs I can tell you I DRANK - LOTS with every meal. Could drink a 2 ltr " diet coke " with mega ice and be ready for more. Iced tea (unsweet) was consumed with meals by the gallon - I thought I literally had a hollow leg. > > The epiphany for me was when I saw an " eating contest " - where guys (usually, sorry chromosome brothers) try to eat 50 hot dogs in 5 minutes. In watching I noticed that they used liquid to soften the food, and then wash it down, basically making it easier to stuff ungodly amounts into their digestive tracts. I bet I could have been a prize winner if not the champion in my day. I saw myself in those guys and decided that the liquids were not simply a way to stay hydrated. > > It has been over two years post-op for me. I've maintained the 'control' of my drinking liquid with meals and for me I think it is an important change. Is it more than placebo - who knows - and honestly, who cares. I do know that when I do drink with dinner I tend to eat more. Again, may not be related but I don;t miss it and it at least gives me a psychological edge. > > I continue to bounce between 179 and 185 lbs but have found that my tolerance for foods is cyclical - sort of like a 'normal' person who may desire a taste of something one day and not care for anymore for the next month. Throwing out food which has outlasted its welcome in the fridge has been a new experience. As with my seven year old my " eyes tend to be bigger than my stomach " . But I feel in control, satisfied with never having to do 'without' anything I may want - even sweets - but knowing that rather than a whole french silk pie or two large sundaes I need to be prepared to eat a sliver of pie or share a kiddie with my daughter. Changing ordering patterns has been the biggest change to overcome when eating out or cooking. Small amounts are now enough to satisfy my infrequent sweet tooth. I have also learned that even eating a full cone has its consequences later on. Too much sugar is not good for me. In fact - if nothing else I have learned moderation in most foods and can, as a > result, tolerate almost anything, with most problems coming from high carb foods. > > This is an adventure of trial and error. In working with prostate cancer patients on a daily basis I have found that what may work for one very well may not work at all for another. We are individuals. We need to understand that our bodies react as such and we need to find what works best for us. I am a firm believer in the drink less with meals theory. It works for me but is clearly not universally tolerated or necessary perhaps. > > The important thing is that even though I don;t drink with meals I do stay well hydrated between meals and before eating. I may not drink 3 gallons a day of liquid anymore, but I typically get in 3-5 quarts of liquid (typically water - even flavored I dilute it because of the sweetness). Although in the first year I drank mucho gatorade I found I began to dislike it - and the sweetness - after a year. > > I'm good on my vitamins and have added several other supplements for good measure and find I eat healthier, make better choices, feel better overall and this weekend even getting screened right after lunch had a glucose level of 84. Last time I went to the doctor my cholesterol was boarderline - borderline LOW - and I make no concerted effort to avoid fats. I listen to my body, give it what I think it is saying it needs (who would have known it had a mind of its own). > > Enough. All I can say is, it works for me and just like I tell pre-ops, the surgery is a tool which has helped me, but that doesn;t mean that I can stop using my brain. Understanding what my body needs and giving it that is important. The MGB for me was an indispensible tool to helping me do that effectively. Not dinking with meals is another 'tool' I use in my effort. Just as with anything else it may not be universal. > > JP > Started at 600 lbs (May/June 2000) > MGB at almost 400 lbs (Jan 2001) > Today about 180 lbs and holding > http://www.mgbfriends.com/indiv/j/jp.html > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 Folks, if you refer back to your manuals, during the discussion about the stage III diet, there is references to not drinking with meals. It rushes the solid food too quick through the pouch (thus cheating us on the nutirients and/or bringing on a dumping attack). I double checked the most recent on-line manual and it's still in there. -Ginny I. mgb: 3/1/00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 Thank you! I KNEW I had heard/saw that somewhere. So maybe, just maybe... I'm NOT losing my mind <lol>. In a message dated 03/25/2003 1:27:49 PM Central Standard Time, moonvi@... writes: << Folks, if you refer back to your manuals, during the discussion about the stage III diet, there is references to not drinking with meals. It rushes the solid food too quick through the pouch (thus cheating us on the nutirients and/or bringing on a dumping attack). I double checked the most recent on-line manual and it's still in there. -Ginny I. mgb: 3/1/00 >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 THIS DRINKING DURING MEALS UPDATE IS GREAT NEWS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS OF MGB FOR ME. THAT AND NOT DRINKING SODA... MIRIAM 7/1/03 250/154/150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Kellie - I missed the message about drinking with meals and something about soda? Could you please tell me what this is all about ? Thanks Jane in CT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Thanks for the water update . One of the emails in the past week or so said something about OK to have a few sodas . Did you read this . I don't know if it was from Dr R or just an opinion from a MGB-er. Thanks Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Did this definnately come from Dr. R? Re: Drinking with meals > > THIS DRINKING DURING MEALS UPDATE IS GREAT NEWS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE > MOST DIFFICULT THINGS OF MGB FOR ME. THAT AND NOT DRINKING SODA... > > MIRIAM > 7/1/03 > 250/154/150 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 He said that it's ok to sip some liquid with meals - it was mainly up to us - the liquid does take up some room, but I drink with my meals all the time and I have not had one problem with it. I don't gulp obviously, but I do sip - I usually get about 1/2 glass of water down with dinner - and it takes me about 30 minutes to an hour depending on what I'm having for dinner. It's a matter of trial and error to see what works best for you. Kellie in OKC 12-19-03 304/210/goal of 150 -160 >From: MistyBlue <llackey06@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Drinking with meals >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:14:03 -0500 > >Has Dr. R changed his mind about drinking during a meal? I had not seen >any >post before this about that subject. > > >Dr. H Joplin >12/16/03 >269/183 > [OSSG-MiniGastricBypass] Re: Dr. R. - Citrucel Pills > > > > -KJ, > > > > Another (hopefully) topic and response for the FAQ. > > > > Someone in chat recently said Dr R told them specifically it was > > fine. A lack of clarity and consistentcy can be so confusing. > > Recently Dr. R himself posted it was fine to drink during meals. This > > is an update/upgrade from the manual I have. I'm DELIGHTED about it, > > but it could surely be confusing to some, particularly those seeing > > some chatting about it and not knowing then restriction's been > > lifted. > > > > The FAQ is a great intermediate resource for a period of time til the > > manual updates can be updated and released. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Yes it did. Kellie in OKC 12-19-03 >From: MistyBlue <llackey06@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Drinking with meals >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:43:15 -0500 > >Did this definnately come from Dr. R? > Re: Drinking with meals > > > > > > THIS DRINKING DURING MEALS UPDATE IS GREAT NEWS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF >THE > > MOST DIFFICULT THINGS OF MGB FOR ME. THAT AND NOT DRINKING SODA... > > > > MIRIAM > > 7/1/03 > > 250/154/150 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Misty, You can do a search in the archives. He posted it himself. (why would anyone lie? nevermind.. why would I lie??) > Did this definnately come from Dr. R? > Re: Drinking with meals > > > > > > THIS DRINKING DURING MEALS UPDATE IS GREAT NEWS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE > > MOST DIFFICULT THINGS OF MGB FOR ME. THAT AND NOT DRINKING SODA... > > > > MIRIAM > > 7/1/03 > > 250/154/150 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 I've never seen anything about changes regarding soda from Dr R or any of the other Dr's. I still have a few days worth of pre-op messages to catch up on from my vacation (but have read all the post- op ones from that time). That is the best *I* can tell you. > Thanks for the water update . > One of the emails in the past week or so said something about OK to have a > few sodas . Did you read this . I don't know if it was from Dr R or just an > opinion from a MGB-er. > Thanks > Jane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Here is the post from Dr Rutledge about drinking with meals, hope this helps. ne From: " Dr Rutledge " <Dr_Rutledge@c...> Date: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:50 pm Subject: RE: [OSSG-MiniGastricBypass] Re: Dr. R. - Citrucel Pills HI, Re: Drinking with meals... You can take small amounts of liquids and expect that in most cases you will do fine. You can take small amounts of solids and expect that in most cases you will do fine. You can take small amounts of both solids and liquids together and expect that in most cases you will do fine. ON the other hand if you take a lot of liquids at once especially sweet or fatty liquids then there is a high risk of painful unpleasant dumping. if you take a lot of solids at once especially sweet or fatty solids then there is a high risk of painful unpleasant dumping. if you take a lot of solids and liquids at once especially sweet or fatty solids and liquids then there is a high risk of painful unpleasant dumping. But... If you eat slowly and eat small amounts of either 1) solids or 2) liquids or 3) solids and liquids, especially low sugar and low fat foods you should be fine. ;-) DrR In a message dated 8/25/2004 10:52:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, midge0138@... writes: > Misty, > You can do a search in the archives. > He posted it himself. > > (why would anyone lie? nevermind.. why would I lie??) > > > >Did this definnately come from Dr. R? > > Re: Drinking with meals > > > > > >> > >>THIS DRINKING DURING MEALS UPDATE IS GREAT NEWS. THIS HAS BEEN > ONE OF THE > >>MOST DIFFICULT THINGS OF MGB FOR ME. THAT AND NOT DRINKING > SODA... > >> > >>MIRIAM > >>7/1/03 > >>250/154/150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Dr. R. just made a great reply to this question on the pre-op board. I bet he'll put it on the FAQ board as well. He explains it so much better than me. Kellie in OKC 12-19-03 >From: JPValens@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Drinking with meals >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:12:45 EDT > >Kellie - I missed the message about drinking with meals and something about >soda? Could you please tell me what this is all about ? >Thanks >Jane in CT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 No sodas! the carbonation is bad for our tummies - the gas really bloats us and it physically hurts - I know, I tried a few sips of Sprite and my tummy hurt for a while afterwards. It's just not worth it. Kellie in OKC 12-19-03 >From: JPValens@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Drinking with meals >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:12:45 EDT > >Kellie - I missed the message about drinking with meals and something about >soda? Could you please tell me what this is all about ? >Thanks >Jane in CT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Not that any body would lie, but people can misunderstand or misquote. I like to get it from the horse's mouth since I'm an old farm girl. Misty Re: Drinking with meals > > > > > > > > > > THIS DRINKING DURING MEALS UPDATE IS GREAT NEWS. THIS HAS BEEN > ONE OF THE > > > MOST DIFFICULT THINGS OF MGB FOR ME. THAT AND NOT DRINKING > SODA... > > > > > > MIRIAM > > > 7/1/03 > > > 250/154/150 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Well, I still do it sometimes (drink after I eat) and yes, it usually triggers a PB. I was on liquids after my fill last Tuesday. Dr. Rumbaut told me to stay on liquids until my band loosened which should have been around 10 days or two weeks. Sunday I was able to eat an egg roll so I took that as being able to get off liquids. For three days I've been trying to eat and throwing up. Three days!! Took me that long to finally realize that I needed to get back on liquids. Some things never change y'all. Tasha Rumbaut, Mexico 5/25/04 427/335/180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 :-) The Band rules and guidelines are not there to be mean, or make us miserable or deprived - they ae there because they WORK. As human beings, we all try to " test " things and " get away " with stuff - but the sooner we realize this is not to our advantage, the better we do. No one needs to be perfect, but following the rules pretty well, and most of the time, REALLY DOES WORK. One of the great things about the band is that it will be there, waiting for us, when we are ready to get serious about it (If we are not from the start). I know a lady who has been banded 5 years, didn't do very well becuase of a lot of reasons including serious family problems - but now is ready and able to do well - and IS! She has lost 50# in 4 months and is well on her way to goal. Never say never!! Sandy r > > By , I think I've got it!!! After two-and-a-half years of being banded, I have finally > realized that drinking with meals has been the #1 barrier to my success. It makes eating > more uncomfortable AND, in most cases, makes it possible for me to eat more than I > need/should because it pushes the food through (hence the discomfort). If I just make > myself drink BEFORE the meal, I fill up on the one cup of food, have no discomfort and > stay full for the 3-4 hours I'm supposed to. It's like MAGIC!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 > > Bee, I just realized something reading a comment that you made saying that we should accompany our meals with either water or tea. So, it is a myth that we should not drink fluids with food? I did not know this. ++Hi . Yes it is a total myth that we shouldn't drink with foods. Having enough water and HCl in the contents emptying out of the stomach stimulates (triggers) the pancreas. If there isn't enough the pancreas isn't triggered enough, and if water is lacking it also slows down the emptying of stomach contents into the first part of the small intestines. +++The first job of the pancreas is to make the stomach contents alkaline by pouring on lots of baking soda, and after that it produces digestive enzymes. Pancreatic digestive enzymes only work on alkaline foods. If the foods are not alkaline enough it will neutralize pancreatic digestive enzymes so they won't digest the food. > > Bee, is tampon use safe, since our period is a way for the body to detoxify? Are maxi pads a better option? +++Yes, pads are better, but buy cotton supplies that are not bleached or treated, like these: http://www.goddess-within.com/nattamp.html Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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