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| From: CRMulcahy@...

| david.greenleaf@...

| Subject: Re: Discharge

| Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:13 PM

|

| Lori,

| I talked with my 1st sgt and ADC today about the process and here is

what I

| found out. The Air Force has set a precendance that you will first get an

| aritcle 15 for not obeying the commanders written order. The reason is

for

| rehabilitation, most people have given in to getting the shot when

threatened

| with the article 15, so it is considered as a rehabilitation tool.

| You have 72 hours to reply, if you don't accept the article 15 you will

be

| court martialed, and the outcome will be a bad conduct discharge. If you

| accept the 15 you will be turned over to the ADC (Area Defense Council)

and

| discharged, but you can still go before a board of your peers and

possibly get

| a Honerable (using the defense that it is an unlawful order), but no less

than

| an General Under Honerable Conditions.

| 1st term airman (in your first enlistment) can be discharged under

| administative reasons with an Honerable discharge, with no article 15.

| 2nd term airman (those on or past first enlistment) will get an article

15

| then discharged under administrative actions for misconduct, with the

| reasoning that you have complied with military orders in the past.

| My 1st shirt seems really cool about the whole thing, right now I'm on a

two

| week fact finding mission. That's how long they gave me until I have to

make

| my final decision. He said the best way to approach this if I'm not going

to

| get the shot is to; give him a formal document of all my questions, then

he

| will push the letter through his command and the hospital chain. This

will

| require someone to answer the questions at hand, or prove my point of the

| safety issues at hand. This way when I meet the board of my peers it will

look

| as though I am really sincere about not getting the shot for health

reasons.

| He seems to think it will be easier to prove my point, that the order to

get

| the shot is unlawful, if I have the sheet of questions with no real

definate

| answers from the people in charge of giving the shot. Since he has so

many

| years in he seems to know how the system works, and I'm going with his

| suggestion.

| If anyone has a question they would like to hear an answer to send it to

me

| at my email address and I will put it in the letter. This is a very

military

| way to handle something like this and yet turn it around on them so

hopefully

| I, and others, will come out with what we deserve....An Honerable

Discharge!

|

| Lori, would you pass this along to all others. It is the guidance most

people

| are looking for, or maybe post it to the list? I need responses for

questions

| in the next couple of days.

|

| Curtis R. Mulcahy

| CRMulcahy@...

| Home- 402-292-2289

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Dear list,

Well I thought I was on the way out clear sailing, of the military. But

my First Shirt had a sudden change of heart and decided to persue a

court martial? So to all out there be careful and cover your butt with

evidence. I had to get letters from old supervisors saying that I really

wasn't getting the shot because I didn't believe it was safe. The ADC

has been awsome with regards to my case. I have given them all my

letters from supervisors, and the questions I sent up the chain at the

base hospital. The ADC took these letters to legal and they all came to

the agreement that I was going to get the General discharge under

honerable conditions. So just a note...create a paper trail of people

you talk to in your unit or the hospital, and write your questions on a

formal letter for someone higher up to sign and answer or not answer.

Also make copies of Email traffic if you are communicating with people

using this method. These all combined saved me from a court martial and

up to 5 yrs jail time. That was what the shirt was pushing for..Hold

your heads up, take pride in your beliefs.

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Greetings all.

I am in the USN and about to deploy aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt on

29JAN. Rumor has it, the inoculations are supposed to start in FEB, in

preparation for our 7 month deployment to the Persian Gulf. I have been

researching this subject for a while and I am still unsure if I am going to

take the shots or not. I like the military so far, (I've been in one year)

but I am leaning towards refusal. I have a question about this post. Who is

ADC? I have a comment about an earlier post on a newspaper article about the

resignation of some pilots. At the end of the article, it said a study was

commissioned to find out what people thought about the vaccine, well, I guess

they didn't ask anybody in my squadron. The article said a dozen people in

the country complained about it, I know a dozen people personally who flat out

refuse to take it. Now, I don't know how serious they are, I'm sure the

threats from the higher-ups will be pretty severe and cause some people to

crack. Once I make my decision, I'm gonna stick with it, that's for sure. I

would appreciate any info I can get from anybody. Thank you!

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IMRAM

My name is Gerry and I was in the Air Force quite a while ago. Now

I'm in the Air National Guard. I will refuse this vaccine when forced

to take it. I also know that about 25% of my Sq. will also refuse. We

are part time soldiers and will not subject our full time endeavors

for this part time profession. That's the reality of it. You will

need to make an informed decision and stick with it. The military

could become your career choice or it could be a short period of the

rest of your life. You will need to choose but remember, there are

other avenues in life. Mail me if you would like to talk.

Gerry

From: IMRAM29xxx (DOT) xxx

Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:21:30 EST

onelist

Subject: Re: Discharge

From: IMRAM29@...

Greetings all.

I am in the USN and about to deploy aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt on

29JAN. Rumor has it, the inoculations are supposed to start in FEB, in

preparation for our 7 month deployment to the Persian Gulf. I have been

researching this subject for a while and I am still unsure if I am going to

take the shots or not. I like the military so far, (I've been in one year)

but I am leaning towards refusal. I have a question about this post. Who is

ADC? I have a comment about an earlier post on a newspaper article about the

resignation of some pilots. At the end of the article, it said a study was

commissioned to find out what people thought about the vaccine, well, I guess

they didn't ask anybody in my squadron. The article said a dozen people in

the country complained about it, I know a dozen people personally who flat out

refuse to take it. Now, I don't know how serious they are, I'm sure the

threats from the higher-ups will be pretty severe and cause some people to

crack. Once I make my decision, I'm gonna stick with it, that's for sure. I

would appreciate any info I can get from anybody. Thank you!

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Hi, Jeff,

Sorry to hear about your FSG. It is (not surprisingly) an autoimmune

disease, characterized both by autoimmune-mediated inflammation

(glomerulonephritis) and postinflammatory scarring (glomerulosclerosis). I

went through a formal PEB in the Air Force. Key to this is your counsel

who appears with you before the board. I (mistakenly) chose the Air Force

JAG attorney; I should have chosen the local Disabled American Veterans

National Service Officer (whom I met later when I became a Life Member of

the DAV). The JAG officers rotate through the PEB slot, but the DAV NSOs

do this because they WANT to provide the best representation before the

PEB. They have an incredible amount of expertise and experience. I

learned the hard way -- now I'm " suing " the Air Force through the AFBCMR

and if necessary, the Federal Court of Claims to get what the Air Force

should have given me anyway. (The Air Force and VA disability criteria are

substantially different, and for medical officers, arbitrary and

capricious, but the VA gave me a 70% fully-service-connected disability

rating. The Air Force should have given me SOMETHING. They gave me

NOTHING.) I'll be away for a week or two, but will get back to you on this

when I return. There is time, and I want to do my best to give you the

benefit of my experiences. You will of course first go to a Medical

Evaluation Board. That board decides what of your diseases may disqualify

you from active-duty military service. The purpose of the PEB is to decide

whether you are fit for continued active-duty service. It will in most

cases offer you as little as it can, if it even decides to hear your case

(it doesn't have to) so you have to be sure that you have everything that

is wrong with you (including any psychiatric diagnoses you may have)

documented fully up front before you get to the MEB. If the PEB doesn't

accept your case or deicdes to give you less than you're reasonably

entitled to, you have an appeal route. It is in your best interests to

contact a civilian attorney near you who specializes in this stuff.

Keep us updated. Good luck in the interim!

Fisher, MD

LTC USAFR MC FS

(Inactive Reserve)

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Eastward I go only by force; but westward I go free. Thither no

business

leads me. It is hard for me to believe that I shall find fair

landscapes

or sufficient wildness and freedom behind the eastern horizon.

-- Henry Thoreau

(Walking)

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> Discharge

>

>

> Hello everyone.....I've been a subscriber to this newsgroup for quite a

> while now and I've ready lots of emai's concerning people being

discharged

> from the military due to refusing to not take the vaccination. I

however,

> have already taken 5 of the 6 required shots (before I had known about

the

> adverse side effects) and I now have a fatal Kidney Disease (Focal

Segmental

> Glumerolosclerosis) that will not allow me to remain in the military. If

my

> condition has not improved by August, my doctor is submitting my case to

a

> Physical Evaluation Board and there is a 99% chance that I will be

> discharged (Medical Retirement or Administrative Seperation). If anyone

> knows someone who is experiencing this (PEB process) or is experiencing

it

> themselves, please email me and I would appreciate any and all

information

> you can provide. Thank you very much and good luck to all.

>

> Jeff

> FC2 USN

>

>

>

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I am also pending a PEB...got some info to share with you! Look

forward to hearing from you.

Theresa

> Hello everyone.....I've been a subscriber to this newsgroup for

quite a

> while now and I've ready lots of emai's concerning people being

discharged

> from the military due to refusing to not take the vaccination. I

however,

> have already taken 5 of the 6 required shots (before I had known

about the

> adverse side effects) and I now have a fatal Kidney Disease (Focal

Segmental

> Glumerolosclerosis) that will not allow me to remain in the

military. If my

> condition has not improved by August, my doctor is submitting my

case to a

> Physical Evaluation Board and there is a 99% chance that I will be

> discharged (Medical Retirement or Administrative Seperation). If

anyone

> knows someone who is experiencing this (PEB process) or is

experiencing it

> themselves, please email me and I would appreciate any and all

information

> you can provide. Thank you very much and good luck to all.

>

> Jeff

> FC2 USN

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Jeff, I can relate to what you are going through, I also became very ill

after receiving my 5th anthrax vaccine. The PEB saw me unfit for duty and not

world wide deployable. I was offered severance pay and 10% retirement. Of

course I appealed. I will be going to San Antiono on the 22nd of June to meet

in front of the MEB. It's very important that if you are being medically

boarded, for a condition that may have been caused by the anthrax vaccine

that you doctor or in my case doctors document that. When the first board

meet on my behalf The summary that my doctors sent was lacking a lot of

information about my illness. I am currently having my doctors rewrite my

medical history and all that I have gone through after receiving the

vaccines. Of course we all know that there has not been enough testing done

to prove that you may have become ill from the shots. But by having my

Doctors document that the cause of my illness was most proably caused by the

vaccine I have hopes of atleast getting a higher disability rating. What ever

happens to you, Don't settle for less than what YOU feel your worth. After I

meet with the board on the 22nd, I hope I can walk away from there feeling as

if I was treated fairly and if not than I will have to appeal once again. I

am determined to give some one out there a wake up call, and take notice of

me and everyone one else out there who has became ill from these shots. In

the mean while don't forget about you congressman, it's his job to represent

you, if you feel you are being treated unfairly. I wish you well and look

foward to hearing from you in the near future! best of luck to you!!!

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Hello

It's a classic symptom of an infected c-toma. Probably impervious to any antibiotic treatment etc. My doctor made several attempts to dry and clean my ear by suctioning before the surgery - it only stopped the discharge for a day or so then it came straight back. Possibly they'd only try this if the eardrum is missing and they can get into the middle ear. Suctioning an ear that hasn't yet had a CWD or Meatoplasty is quite uncomfortable. At the time I'd already had foul smelling discharge for ten years - it ceased completely once they'd removed the c-toma.

Phil

I was wondering if anyone has had problems withdischarge and a foul odor while waiting for c-tomasurgery? ?Thanks for any help : )

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francesca had a huge amount of very foul smelling discharge whilst waiting

for her surgery the first time. from what i can remember, apart from fairly

regular cleanings, the ENT prescribed some kind of drops to " wash out " the

ear, using the " drops in, swirl around and drain out " technique. he also

allowed me to clean the entrance to the ear canal to " catch " the dribble with

a special cotton bud (q tip)

francesca was quite consious of it...so to make her feel better, she had a

perfume she liked which we used to put in the palm of our hand in stoke

through her hair on that side. we also used to stroke her shoulder that side

with it...it seemed to mask it quite well. it at the very least made her

feel psychologcally more comfortable.

be careful though....as a combination could make for a worse fragrance than

you started with...test drive it at home with a friend first! (smiles)

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Hi Michele!

I'm sort of inbetween doctors. Remember my whole

HMO/$780 second opinion fiasco?! HMO doc is done with

me and I'm afraid to ask anything of the PPO doc until

I switch over in December. : )

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I concur with Phil. I remember when my son's ear was infected. We had no idea

what was causing the smell. And as I've said before, his pediatrician thought

it was old ear wax.

Good luck to you,

Terri

>

> From: " Philip " <psmorris@...>

> Date: 2002/10/28 Mon PM 03:06:27 EST

> <cholesteatoma >

> Subject: Re: Discharge

>

> Hello

>

> It's a classic symptom of an infected c-toma. Probably impervious to any

antibiotic treatment etc. My doctor made several attempts to dry and clean my

ear by suctioning before the surgery - it only stopped the discharge for a day

or so then it came straight back. Possibly they'd only try this if the eardrum

is missing and they can get into the middle ear. Suctioning an ear that hasn't

yet had a CWD or Meatoplasty is quite uncomfortable. At the time I'd already had

foul smelling discharge for ten years - it ceased completely once they'd removed

the c-toma.

>

> Phil

>

>

> I was wondering if anyone has had problems with

> discharge and a foul odor while waiting for c-toma

> surgery? ?

>

> Thanks for any help : )

>

>

>

>

>

>

Hello

It's a classic symptom of an infected c-toma. Probably impervious to any antibiotic treatment etc. My doctor made several attempts to dry and clean my ear by suctioning before the surgery - it only stopped the discharge for a day or so then it came straight back. Possibly they'd only try this if the eardrum is missing and they can get into the middle ear. Suctioning an ear that hasn't yet had a CWD or Meatoplasty is quite uncomfortable. At the time I'd already had foul smelling discharge for ten years - it ceased completely once they'd removed the c-toma.

Phil

I was wondering if anyone has had problems withdischarge and a foul odor while waiting for c-tomasurgery? ?Thanks for any help : )

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Hi ,

I am sure if you called the advice nurse at The California Ear Institute

she would be able to help you out. I have done it numerous times

with Zach. They may be able to prescribe some drops over the phone.

I have looked at many of my old bills and none of them have any extreme

charges on them and they all seem quite reasonable. It sounds like

the charge for an opinion was excessive but you certainly don't have to

pay anything to speak with the advice nurse. Zach has his appointment

on the 16th also!

I hope it works out for you.

Macias wrote:

Hi Michele!

I'm sort of inbetween doctors. Remember my whole

HMO/$780 second opinion fiasco?! HMO doc is done with

me and I'm afraid to ask anything of the PPO doc until

I switch over in December. : )

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we used the cotton wool ball to catch the discharge until the ENT said that

it was better left to air.....did yours pass any such comment?

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HI ALL, I AM SURE THAT THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED A MILLION TIMES BEFORE. BETH HAD SURGERY ON APRIL 11TH AND JUST THIS WEEK SHE HAS BEEN COMPLAINING OF AN ITCH DEEP SHE CAN NOT REACH AND A YELLOW DISCHARGE AS STARTED. DOES THIS INDICATE INFECTION OR HEALING STILL.

Hi

I recall that for the first couple of weeks after the surgery there was a discharge of blood and then a grim looking mixture of blood and pus oozed out. For about a month after that there was an occasional watery yellowish discharge which had a 'medicinal' smell and also started to form little tiny crystals in the well of the outer ear. All this was reckoned as normal healing process. So check with your doctor anyway but I also think that you can tell intuitively if there's an infection. If you can bear to stick your nose next to Beth's ear then an off' or bad smell would should be a cause for concern and a benign or neutral smell would probably be OK. The inside itch may be infuriating but is almost certainly a positvie sign of healing.

Phil

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It's likely not due to flying but I'm not a Doc, go

and see your Doc ASAP...

tom hansen

--- yankeesfan1013 <BSORules@...> wrote:

> Hi, Everyone,

>

> I had a CWD in Dec., '05 and I have been doing well.

> I flew from NY to

> Aruba on Saturday. On Sunday evening, I started

> having a thick, bloody

> dicharge from my CWD ear. I am feeling a lot of

> pressure, too. The dr.

> said flying would not be a problem. Obviouly, I am

> not at home but I

> will see the dr. asap when I return. Has anyone else

> experienced this

> type of discharge?? Any thoughts on this would be

> appreciated. Thanks!

>

> Sincerely,

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks, Tom. I will definitely see him when I return. Take care!

>

> > Hi, Everyone,

> >

> > I had a CWD in Dec., '05 and I have been doing well.

> > I flew from NY to

> > Aruba on Saturday. On Sunday evening, I started

> > having a thick, bloody

> > dicharge from my CWD ear. I am feeling a lot of

> > pressure, too. The dr.

> > said flying would not be a problem. Obviouly, I am

> > not at home but I

> > will see the dr. asap when I return. Has anyone else

> > experienced this

> > type of discharge?? Any thoughts on this would be

> > appreciated. Thanks!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Call your Dr. It sounds like she has an ear infection. Does she have tubes? If so, I'll tell you what my ENT said when Chloe got her first ear infection with tubes. " That's what it's supposed to do. " He just called her in some drops which I used and the infection cleared right up. I had your exact reaction, and no ctoma group back then! I was sure the thing had come back, so it was a relief to just have an infection. Hopefully, that's all it is, but it is unnerving when you're dealing with all the other stuff.

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:24 PM, stephnchad <stephnchad@...> wrote:

Hi, I hope someone can tell me if this is normal or not cuz I am kindafreaking out. My 3 year old daughter Katy had her c-toma removed on

June 20th. She had 2 bones removed (middle and third). She had bloodydischarge for the first three to four weeks then nothing. We have beento see the surgon 3 times for post op visits and at the last two hesaid no the ear was dry and all packing dissolved. We are set to see

him again Nov 17 and then 2nd look surgery dec 30th. Today her sisterssaid " mommy some yuky stuff is coming out of Katys ear " so I looked andsome smelly bloody discharge was coming out and all dried up outside

and inside her ear. i also checked her pillow case and sure enoughthere was some dried on her pillow ase which I just washed on Friday.Is this a normal part of continued recovery or is something going on. Iam worried that it is all of sudden coming back as we have gon 2 months

with no discharge and a nice dry ear. If you have had any experiencewith this please let me know. Stephj------------------------------------

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I have started taking coconut oil again after a hiatus of about 2-3

months. In that time I completely abandoned my diet and am slowly

starting back on track. Since starting the oil (about 3 tbsp a day) I

have experienced diarrhea every morning which I know is fairly normal

but as of late I also am having very foul smelling discharge. I also

missed a period last cycle and instead had some pink discharge.

Pregnancy tests are negative, though. I'm just wondering if the missed

period and discharge could be die-off or should I be concerned about

an infection of some sort. There is no pain associated with the

discharge. I am also extremely tired and nauseous but I know this is

to be expected as well.

Thanks for any input,

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> I have started taking coconut oil again after a hiatus of about 2-3

> months. In that time I completely abandoned my diet and am slowly

> starting back on track. Since starting the oil (about 3 tbsp a day) I

> have experienced diarrhea every morning which I know is fairly normal

> but as of late I also am having very foul smelling discharge.

+++Hi . Please ensure you start on CO again at low doses and

only gradually increase them otherwise you will get more die-off

symptoms, since CO is antifungal. Diarrhea which is foul smelling is

because of toxins being eliminated, and there are more toxins because

CO kills off candida.

+++Also IF you've had diarrhea in the past your body will " retrace "

every episode during natural healing, which is according to Hering's

Law of Cures:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_1_2.php

> I also missed a period last cycle and instead had some pink discharge.

Pregnancy tests are negative, though. I'm just wondering if the missed

> period and discharge could be die-off or should I be concerned about

> an infection of some sort. There is no pain associated with the

> discharge. I am also extremely tired and nauseous but I know this is

> to be expected as well.

+++It is common for most women to not get their periods for awhile when

they first start on this program. But every group member who had their

periods stop, also reported they returned again, so do not be

concerned. It is only temporary. Any discharge is toxins being

eliminated, so it is also a die-off symptom.

+++Yes, fatigue and nausea are very common. Nausea is because candida

is being killed off in the stomach, and here's an article about

fatigue: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat10.php

The best in health, Bee

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I remember the feeling of hot coffee going ALL the way down. As close to heaven

as I've ever been, I think.

You ARE doing swimmingly! Congrats on joining the Heller/Dor club, lol!

xox

>

> Two days. They don't keep you long. I had the HM with a dor fundoplication. I

have done swimmingly. He said he incised nice and high into the esophagus to

help with spasms and to be sure I won't be back. I am weaning off of the

narcotics and onto Tylenol and ibuprofen washing them down with lots of water.

Drinking is just so amazing!!

>

> Jenn in Canada

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

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